Comments on: Company Takes Open Source Project Off Novell’s Hands http://techrights.org/2007/01/31/hula-bye/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Keith http://techrights.org/2007/01/31/hula-bye/comment-page-1/#comment-308 Keith Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:44:19 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/01/31/hula-bye/#comment-308 As far as opensourcing groupwise, while at Gwavacon Dallas 07 it was stated that the crossplatform client & the web client would be opensourced (but not win32 client or the server itself) once groupwise 8 was released (projected nov30th 07'). As far as opensourcing groupwise, while at Gwavacon Dallas 07 it was stated that the crossplatform client & the web client would be opensourced (but not win32 client or the server itself) once groupwise 8 was released (projected nov30th 07′).

]]> By: Ian http://techrights.org/2007/01/31/hula-bye/comment-page-1/#comment-300 Ian Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:34:03 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/01/31/hula-bye/#comment-300 Mixed environments is the name of the game and GroupWise works as well as any groupware system I know about. You can spread the groupwise system agents over NetWare, Windows, Linux, and even Solaris boxes I believe. In terms of web based interfaces, I'll go out on a limb and tell you that going 100% web based on the client will never fly. People aren't going to give up their "rich" clients any time soon. In terms of ever open sourcing GroupWise, I couldn't begin to tell you I know anything about what that would entail. If I had to guess, I'd say there's 3rd party bits which would make GPLing any of that software cumbersome and lead to a stall in the development of GroupWise as a whole. But I will say this, GroupWise customers would be none too happy if development actually went backwards. As for Hula, there couldn't have been a huge need for what it delivered or proposed to deliver. If it did, I would suspect there would have been a larger following from the user and development community. As it stands, there isn't, so I can't see the imperative need for that type of system. Mixed environments is the name of the game and GroupWise works as well as any groupware system I know about. You can spread the groupwise system agents over NetWare, Windows, Linux, and even Solaris boxes I believe. In terms of web based interfaces, I’ll go out on a limb and tell you that going 100% web based on the client will never fly. People aren’t going to give up their “rich” clients any time soon.

In terms of ever open sourcing GroupWise, I couldn’t begin to tell you I know anything about what that would entail. If I had to guess, I’d say there’s 3rd party bits which would make GPLing any of that software cumbersome and lead to a stall in the development of GroupWise as a whole. But I will say this, GroupWise customers would be none too happy if development actually went backwards.

As for Hula, there couldn’t have been a huge need for what it delivered or proposed to deliver. If it did, I would suspect there would have been a larger following from the user and development community. As it stands, there isn’t, so I can’t see the imperative need for that type of system.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/01/31/hula-bye/comment-page-1/#comment-299 Roy Schestowitz Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:35:50 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/01/31/hula-bye/#comment-299 You make a fine point, as usual, but what I had in mind are programs such as GroupWise. The aspiration, I believe, is to move a lot of the inter- and intra-business interaction (mail, calendaring, etc.) onto the Web (server-client model), using Open Source software. Hula could facilitate nice and seamless collaboration between Windows and GNU/Linux users in the workplace. Mixed environments are the only realistic route to adoption of SLED/Opensuse, no? As it stands, Evolution (with an immature Windows port), Mozilla Thunderbird and KMail seem like the solution to stick with. They don't perfectly integrate with Outlook/Exchange or Novell equivalents/alternatives. It was mentioned before that Hula was a threat -- however great or small -- to Exchange. It also brought benefits to other Open Source projects, so Novell had a chance to contribute a lot to the community. While this one project ran out of steam, I would happily agree that they help in other ways. The patent FUD that prevails and recurs in press releases is what angers the most. You make a fine point, as usual, but what I had in mind are programs such as GroupWise. The aspiration, I believe, is to move a lot of the inter- and intra-business interaction (mail, calendaring, etc.) onto the Web (server-client model), using Open Source software.

Hula could facilitate nice and seamless collaboration between Windows and GNU/Linux users in the workplace. Mixed environments are the only realistic route to adoption of SLED/Opensuse, no? As it stands, Evolution (with an immature Windows port), Mozilla Thunderbird and KMail seem like the solution to stick with. They don’t perfectly integrate with Outlook/Exchange or Novell equivalents/alternatives. It was mentioned before that Hula was a threat — however great or small — to Exchange. It also brought benefits to other Open Source projects, so Novell had a chance to contribute a lot to the community. While this one project ran out of steam, I would happily agree that they help in other ways. The patent FUD that prevails and recurs in press releases is what angers the most.

]]> By: Ian http://techrights.org/2007/01/31/hula-bye/comment-page-1/#comment-298 Ian Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:29:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/01/31/hula-bye/#comment-298 Which is it, mixed source or legacy proprietary? That's a contradiction. If it's the latter, you have further contradicted it by mentioning OpenSuse. Which is it, mixed source or legacy proprietary? That’s a contradiction. If it’s the latter, you have further contradicted it by mentioning OpenSuse.

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