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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft Already Plans to &#8216;Extend&#8217; Its &#8216;Standard&#8217;; ECMA and ISO Named and Shamed</title>
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		<title>By: Keep it anonymous</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2007/07/20/standard-ecma-iso/comment-page-1/#comment-1351</link>
		<dc:creator>Keep it anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, thank you for the recommendation on &quot;M$&quot; I just use it as a shortcut to avoid writing &quot;Microsoft&quot; (tm), which is much longer: From now on I will write MSFT (its acronym in Nasdaq) instead.
Anyway it was written M$ in the original post I was just quoting (so it was not me).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, thank you for the recommendation on &#8220;M$&#8221; I just use it as a shortcut to avoid writing &#8220;Microsoft&#8221; &#8482;, which is much longer: From now on I will write MSFT (its acronym in Nasdaq) instead.<br />
Anyway it was written M$ in the original post I was just quoting (so it was not me).</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2007/07/20/standard-ecma-iso/comment-page-1/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anonymous: While your comment is very much appreciated, could you please refrain from cheap shots such as &quot;M$&quot;?  The problem is that Microsoft fanboys will dwell on that and unfairly try to dismiss your otherwise excellent points. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonymous: While your comment is very much appreciated, could you please refrain from cheap shots such as &#8220;M$&#8221;?  The problem is that Microsoft fanboys will dwell on that and unfairly try to dismiss your otherwise excellent points. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Keep it anonymous</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2007/07/20/standard-ecma-iso/comment-page-1/#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>Keep it anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is actually going in in Portugal (and I am sure thet in many other countries) is like this:

As seen in Groklaw:
http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&amp;sid=2007071812280798&amp;title=Notes%20from%20Portugal%20on%20%20the%20July%2016th%20Meeting%20on%20Ecma-376&amp;type=article&amp;order=&amp;hideanonymous=0&amp;pid=0#c596254

Notes from Portugal on the July 16th Meeting on Ecma-376
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 20 2007 @ 06:48 AM EDT
This is as fishy/unfair as it can get.

As a Portuguese, i really don&#039;t see the point (besides unfair bullying) of
having MS business parters there. In this particular case, these people are
mostly sales/account managers who really don&#039;t have a clue about what they are
talking about. They just wanna have their way (M$ way) through. They are
representatives from corporations which their core business is 100% M$ for
decades now. Worst even, some these companies have strong political connections
thought corporate stock share owned (guess what) by politicians.

I strongly dislike Manuel Cerqueira presence there, who is nothing more than an
openly M$ lackey and a clueless wannabe politician. ASSOFT is the Portuguese BSA
version strongly focus on fighting software piracy of its two major associates
M$ and Autodesk.

ASSOFT is a private association but his tactics and propaganda are strongly
backed up the Portuguese government. Being a Software association it should had
help ANSOL developing more OSS in Portugal. Instead went through the &quot;money
side&quot;:It&#039;s has done 0%(zero) for OSS and 100% for M$ and Autodesk in
Portugal. In fact has damage OSS oportunities here every chance it gets.

The general tactic is the following:

1-MS account managers bury Portuguese companies with expensive &quot;do it all
and pay it later&quot; M$ solutions well served with a high poisonous
marketing.This is the time and place they say &quot;OSS sucks, go our way&quot;.
Naivelly, so they do.

2-Most companies here cannot cope with the expensive m$ licencing costs, but as
they are all tied up with the M$ solutions, they choose to pay much much later.

3- Meanwhile the extortionists who keep a list a such companies (assoft who
else) team up with the portuguese police (in fact on many ocasions they like to
pretend they ARE the police) and go to the m$ rescue.

4- The company is then burried in fines and lawsuits, and its managers could
face the usual up two 3 years piracy jail sentence, not because they were really
software pirates, but because they were defrauded by this kind of ppl, Manuel
Cerqueira and his goons.

5-There is a major exception to points 3-4. The Portuguese state and it&#039;s public
companies.Why? Assoft doesn&#039;t want to ruin the beautiful political relationship
it has. Ridiculous consequence:The government for instance can use loads of
piracy, but the major Portuguese companies don&#039;t :)

The same tactic is applied to Autodesk Solutions.

This is the kind of people that they *do really* want in such meetings.

Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is actually going in in Portugal (and I am sure thet in many other countries) is like this:</p>
<p>As seen in Groklaw:<br />
<a href="http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&#038;sid=2007071812280798&#038;title=Notes%20from%20Portugal%20on%20%20the%20July%2016th%20Meeting%20on%20Ecma-376&#038;type=article&#038;order=&#038;hideanonymous=0&#038;pid=0#c596254" rel="nofollow">http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&#038;sid=2007071812280798&#038;title=Notes%20from%20Portugal%20on%20%20the%20July%2016th%20Meeting%20on%20Ecma-376&#038;type=article&#038;order=&#038;hideanonymous=0&#038;pid=0#c596254</a></p>
<p>Notes from Portugal on the July 16th Meeting on Ecma-376<br />
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 20 2007 @ 06:48 AM EDT<br />
This is as fishy/unfair as it can get.</p>
<p>As a Portuguese, i really don&#8217;t see the point (besides unfair bullying) of<br />
having MS business parters there. In this particular case, these people are<br />
mostly sales/account managers who really don&#8217;t have a clue about what they are<br />
talking about. They just wanna have their way (M$ way) through. They are<br />
representatives from corporations which their core business is 100% M$ for<br />
decades now. Worst even, some these companies have strong political connections<br />
thought corporate stock share owned (guess what) by politicians.</p>
<p>I strongly dislike Manuel Cerqueira presence there, who is nothing more than an<br />
openly M$ lackey and a clueless wannabe politician. ASSOFT is the Portuguese BSA<br />
version strongly focus on fighting software piracy of its two major associates<br />
M$ and Autodesk.</p>
<p>ASSOFT is a private association but his tactics and propaganda are strongly<br />
backed up the Portuguese government. Being a Software association it should had<br />
help ANSOL developing more OSS in Portugal. Instead went through the &#8220;money<br />
side&#8221;:It&#8217;s has done 0%(zero) for OSS and 100% for M$ and Autodesk in<br />
Portugal. In fact has damage OSS oportunities here every chance it gets.</p>
<p>The general tactic is the following:</p>
<p>1-MS account managers bury Portuguese companies with expensive &#8220;do it all<br />
and pay it later&#8221; M$ solutions well served with a high poisonous<br />
marketing.This is the time and place they say &#8220;OSS sucks, go our way&#8221;.<br />
Naivelly, so they do.</p>
<p>2-Most companies here cannot cope with the expensive m$ licencing costs, but as<br />
they are all tied up with the M$ solutions, they choose to pay much much later.</p>
<p>3- Meanwhile the extortionists who keep a list a such companies (assoft who<br />
else) team up with the portuguese police (in fact on many ocasions they like to<br />
pretend they ARE the police) and go to the m$ rescue.</p>
<p>4- The company is then burried in fines and lawsuits, and its managers could<br />
face the usual up two 3 years piracy jail sentence, not because they were really<br />
software pirates, but because they were defrauded by this kind of ppl, Manuel<br />
Cerqueira and his goons.</p>
<p>5-There is a major exception to points 3-4. The Portuguese state and it&#8217;s public<br />
companies.Why? Assoft doesn&#8217;t want to ruin the beautiful political relationship<br />
it has. Ridiculous consequence:The government for instance can use loads of<br />
piracy, but the major Portuguese companies don&#8217;t <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The same tactic is applied to Autodesk Solutions.</p>
<p>This is the kind of people that they *do really* want in such meetings.</p>
<p>Alex</p>
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