Comments on: And There You Have It: You Need Novell (Not Just .NET) to Run Moonlight

By: mass-carpone

mass-carpone — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:05:28 +0000

? You talking to me?

Am I more anonymous than posters ‘CoolGuy’, ‘luke’, ‘k’, ‘cb400f’, kojiii, Homer Simpson, ig, cuss etc.? I don’t think so.

And thank god this is the net, and I don’t have to give my name and address to people whom I consider weird at best…

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:20:40 +0000

Why do you guys post anonymously? Trying to mask affiliations, which I can only guess?

By: mass-carpone

mass-carpone — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:32:15 +0000

I’m starting to think that it doesn’t make sense to try and talk some (sense) into these people communing with each other in shared fear and hatred for/of novell, microsoft, evil, whatever. There IS no talking sense into scared and hateful persons.

So you might as wel give it up, Homer.

By: Homer Simpson

Homer Simpson — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:00:53 +0000

Haha. Just read that. True. No substance anywhere on the allegations. Only hearsay and bad-mouth, like all over this blog.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:47:43 +0000

It’s not hearsay. How deep in denial are Mono developers in?

By: Nolan

Nolan — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:42:45 +0000

Humph. Nothing new. :/ That is just hearsay, no more.

If you don’t have anything you can just admit it and not need to desperate grabs for other people quoting other people who might have heard something from someone who might know, or how one might interpret something someone has read in an as negative as possible way…

So, no proof, no sources. REname your article ‘I have a bad feeling about it’ – and not “there you have it”, smoking gun-like.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:59:48 +0000

From http://commandline.org.uk/linux/be-careful-who-you-kiss-2007-08-05-22-58.html?showcomments=yes

“I read the agreement between Xandros and Microsoft, and one of the excluded products was Mono, so Microsoft promises to not sue Xandros over their distribution but excluding Mono and a few other products, i.e. they reserve the right to sue over Mono. I wonder if this is an interesting preview of on what basis they want to fight the free world.

“Interestingly, the Novell deal seems to be different, Mono is not excluded from the Novell deal. So Microsoft seems to be promising not to sue Novell over Mono, but keeps the option open for Xandros. Weird but true.“

By: Nolan

Nolan — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:56:28 +0000

I don’t find a statement like that from Microsoft or Novell under the Link you pointed.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:45:35 +0000

Microsoft vainly alleges that in order to use this tool (i.e. access some Web sites) you need to pay it for mythical software patents.

By: Nolan

Nolan — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:35:05 +0000

License for what? Your link doesn’t point to any useful information. What license?

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:29:52 +0000

Well, what about the licence? Microsoft serves a Trojan horse, via Novell (patent poison pill). And that's besides the fact that Novell helps in making Microsoft 'the standard'.

By: Nolan

Nolan — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:21:54 +0000

Excuse me but there is nothing in that linked text that says you need Novell to run Silverlight. It even says “Using Moonlight, Silverlight will run on any Linux distro supported by Mono”. And not that even that requirement will stay. In the end, all one will need is download a browser-pugin.

If this this plugin will use MS-codecs to display content encoded with Windows Media, whether it will use ffmpeg to do that, whether it will not display Windows Media content at all, completely depends on the whim of the one who compiled it.

Expect it in a Ubuntu ‘Universe’-repository near you.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:21:04 +0000

Also remember what your Master Miguel said about Moonlight’s distribution terms.

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/07/mono-moonlight-eureka/

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:19:51 +0000

This is news to me. I thought it was Buckley who left Novell to join Microsoft. Am I missing something?

The links you crave for are here:

http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/10/moonlight-only-novell/

By: mass-carpone

mass-carpone — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:13:12 +0000

And again, NO LINK to prove your claims!

Where does Bruce Lowry EVER say that you NEED to download Moonlight from Novell?

And Bruce Lowry has quit Novell to join Microsoft, so I don’t think he had problems with Moonlight…

By: mass-carpone

mass-carpone — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:09:02 +0000

Nonsense.

Baseless claims.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:00:57 +0000

That discussion of your fellow anti-Mono guys that you link to as a ’source’ for your claims can offer absolutely NO ‘horse’s mouth’:

This was actually said by Bruce Lowry as well (that you need to download Moonlight from Novell’s Web site). Lowry quit the company a couple of months ago by the way… perhaps he just couldn’t pretend anymore.

‘ILLEGALLY’ support closed formats like DivX or WMA. But you just IGNORE it and play stupid.

It was never about the codecs, but about XAML. Novell promotes XAML just as it supports OOXML. Shame on Novell.

By: mass-carpone

mass-carpone — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:41:40 +0000

Oh, I just saw that EVEN THOUGH YOU CLAIM to quote “the horses mouth” you’re actually quoting only a coupla your own buddies that again CLAIM TO quote Michael Meeks – without giving any sources for their quotes.

That discussion of your fellow anti-Mono guys that you link to as a ‘source’ for your claims can offer absolutely NO ‘horse’s mouth’: it quotes a sentence which someone in the discussion CLAIMS Micheal Meeks said ad FOSDEM. Obviously there is no printed source to quote. Probably he made it all up… Again: no horse’s mouth anywhere in sight. How about changing the title of your article? It would be the HONEST thing to do.

Moonlight, not Silverlight!, IS OK WITH GNU/LINUX!!! Get it in your head finally, that even if you don’t like it, these are the facts. All you can make are stupid claims like ‘Moonlight will always be behind, blah, whine’. Even after its very short history Moonlight has rapidly caught up with M$ Moonlight, so there. Stupid claims like “You get excluded, locked out”. What UTTER CRAP! A one-eyed granny with a stick will see that firstly, there is no technical or legal reason to support your claim, and secondly, that the reality of Moonlight already rendering M$’s own Silverlight-based websites correctly proves just the opposite!

Bah. Are you trying to annoy us by playing stupid? I can’t shake the feeling that you know all this perfectly well; I recall I have read someone before giving an explanation to you on how proprietary codes can but need not be part of Silverlight, and how most of you folks’ computer already ‘ILLEGALLY’ support closed formats like DivX or WMA. But you just IGNORE it and play stupid.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:26:58 +0000

You are missing the point entirely. Microsoft gets to pretend and tell Web developers that Silverlight is OK with GNU/Linux (it’s not) and if you build Moonlight without all the Microsoft extensions (Moonlight will always be left far behind), then it’s utterly useless on the Web. You get excluded, locked out. The thing to do is to join forces with EU regulators and State representatives who protest against Silverlight, not support it.

By: mass-carpone

mass-carpone — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:58:10 +0000

You people either are clueless, or deliberate truth-benders.

Miguel said repeatedly that it is absolutely up to whoever builds Silverlight what media-framework to use.

You can build it to only support FREE codecs like Theora and Vorbis.

You can build it with ffmpeg which displays M$ content just fine.

You can bild it with GStreamer-support which displays M$ content just fine (and legally, if you paid for your plugins…)

You can build it with M$-codecs buit-in, for which you need the license that Miguel talked about…

WHAT way the someone who builds Silverlight uses is absolutely up to him, and no-one in the world and hinder him/ her. Make it play free codecs, make it play proprietary codecs; it’s up to you, the frameworks is free as in ‘free choice’.

That is absolutely the same situation as with any use of video-codecs today; most just bundle NOT-licensed ffmpeg/GStreamer-codecs and live with it just fine.

You, Roy Schestowitz, are making up a big barrel of honga-balonga (which means some non-existing problem where I come from) just in order to bash your favorite enemies. That is SUCH a sign of personal weakness.