Comments on: Mozilla ‘Pulls a Novell’, Distributes DRM-riddled Prizes http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-3/#comment-5221 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:03:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-5221 <blockquote> Fortunately, Vista’s DRM support also have a limited scope. Only if you play DRMed content will Vista activate it’s DRM support to protect the content. </blockquote> Are you aware of the performance and security penalties? <blockquote> I would not call it pulling a Novell, because the crucial part is missing. That part is that patent agreement. </blockquote> Yes, of course. I do like Mozilla, but as the cited item suggests, it would be nice for an Open Source software company to support a product that does not snub (and almost sabotage) interaction with FOSS and GNU/Linux (mind the recent iPod-Linux incident).

Fortunately, Vista’s DRM support also have a limited scope. Only if you play DRMed content will Vista activate it’s DRM support to protect the content.

Are you aware of the performance and security penalties?

I would not call it pulling a Novell, because the crucial part is missing. That part is that patent agreement.

Yes, of course. I do like Mozilla, but as the cited item suggests, it would be nice for an Open Source software company to support a product that does not snub (and almost sabotage) interaction with FOSS and GNU/Linux (mind the recent iPod-Linux incident).

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-3/#comment-5219 Yuhong Bao Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:58:00 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-5219 I would not call it pulling a Novell, because the crucial part is missing. That part is that patent agreement. I would not call it pulling a Novell, because the crucial part is missing. That part is that patent agreement.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-3/#comment-5218 Yuhong Bao Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:56:56 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-5218 >Apple came under the threat of lawsuits for failing to ‘protect’ those Hollywood studios. So even if Steve Jobs do hate that, Apple have to impose DRM. >Apple seems to be going down the path of Vista with that DRM suicide for all I can tell. Fortunately, Vista's DRM support also have a limited scope. Only if you play DRMed content will Vista activate it's DRM support to protect the content. >Apple came under the threat of lawsuits for failing to ‘protect’ those Hollywood studios.
So even if Steve Jobs do hate that, Apple have to impose DRM.
>Apple seems to be going down the path of Vista with that DRM suicide for all I can tell.
Fortunately, Vista’s DRM support also have a limited scope. Only if you play DRMed content will Vista activate it’s DRM support to protect the content.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-5216 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:32:15 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-5216 Apple came under the threat of lawsuits for failing to 'protect' those Hollywood studios. Make no mistake. Apple seems to be going down the path of Vista with that DRM suicide for all I can tell. There's a liaison (media companies and software companies). Apple came under the threat of lawsuits for failing to ‘protect’ those Hollywood studios. Make no mistake. Apple seems to be going down the path of Vista with that DRM suicide for all I can tell. There’s a liaison (media companies and software companies).

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-5210 Yuhong Bao Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:08:10 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-5210 Yea, but that is probably it for the parts of OS X that have DRM. Yea, but that is probably it for the parts of OS X that have DRM.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-5205 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:49:53 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-5205 Have you not seen the recent story about QuickTime and users being forbidden editing? Have you not seen the recent story about QuickTime and users being forbidden editing?

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-5200 Yuhong Bao Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:06:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-5200 In fairness, only one part of Mac is DRM-riddled, that is iTunes. In fairness, only one part of Mac is DRM-riddled, that is iTunes.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-2471 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:24:39 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-2471 Asa, I am aware of your great work bringing Firefox to such an admirable position (a true David versus Goliath story). Please be aware, however, that a lot pf promotional force, such as people promoting Firefox in their Web sites and helping their friends migrate to a new Web browser, have come from people who suffered from being excluded from the Web. I was among those people. I apologise if my last message sounded rude, but stereotypes like "zealot" strike a nerve and they help nobody. It is best to avoid them. Asa,

I am aware of your great work bringing Firefox to such an admirable position (a true David versus Goliath story). Please be aware, however, that a lot pf promotional force, such as people promoting Firefox in their Web sites and helping their friends migrate to a new Web browser, have come from people who suffered from being excluded from the Web. I was among those people.

I apologise if my last message sounded rude, but stereotypes like “zealot” strike a nerve and they help nobody. It is best to avoid them.

]]> By: Asa Dotzler http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-2470 Asa Dotzler Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:35:25 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-2470 "Free software, without which it would be nowhere." Care to elaborate? Firefox is taking market share from Microsoft by offering a superior product, not by offering a software religion. I appreciate the one or two percent of Firefox users who are running on Linux or other FLOSS desktops, but they hardly constitute a force without which Firefox would suffer. Heck, there are considerably more Firefox users running Mac OSX than all flavors of FLOSS desktops combined. Not only that, but those Mac users are disproportionately responsible for writing Websites that work in multiple browsers and not just IE. It would have been more accurate if you'd said that without the Mac audience, Firefox would be nowhere. - A “Free software, without which it would be nowhere.”

Care to elaborate? Firefox is taking market share from Microsoft by offering a superior product, not by offering a software religion.

I appreciate the one or two percent of Firefox users who are running on Linux or other FLOSS desktops, but they hardly constitute a force without which Firefox would suffer. Heck, there are considerably more Firefox users running Mac OSX than all flavors of FLOSS desktops combined. Not only that, but those Mac users are disproportionately responsible for writing Websites that work in multiple browsers and not just IE.

It would have been more accurate if you’d said that without the Mac audience, Firefox would be nowhere.

- A

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-2462 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:49:35 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-2462 "Free software zealots", eh? Thanks for reminding me how Mozilla perceives Free software, without which it would be nowhere. It was not long ago that a staff member of yours wanted to neglect Linux <em>further</em> and you then tried to pretend that his opinion did not reflect on that of the company as a whole. As for the hardware (MacBook Pro), paying the company which makes non-Free and non-Open Source software is the reason for criticism. Read my comments above again -- the comments about the way Apple perceives open source, such as Firefox. “Free software zealots”, eh? Thanks for reminding me how Mozilla perceives Free software, without which it would be nowhere. It was not long ago that a staff member of yours wanted to neglect Linux further and you then tried to pretend that his opinion did not reflect on that of the company as a whole.

As for the hardware (MacBook Pro), paying the company which makes non-Free and non-Open Source software is the reason for criticism. Read my comments above again — the comments about the way Apple perceives open source, such as Firefox.

]]> By: Asa Dotzler http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-2460 Asa Dotzler Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:16:24 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-2460 There's nothing stopping winners from putting Linux on their brand new MacBook Pro. Well, except that I doubt Linux still isn't ready for the desktop (or laptop.) I suppose Mozilla could offer prizes that no one wants but that would satisfy free software zealots. That, though, I don't think is a strategy that actually works very well. - A There’s nothing stopping winners from putting Linux on their brand new MacBook Pro. Well, except that I doubt Linux still isn’t ready for the desktop (or laptop.)

I suppose Mozilla could offer prizes that no one wants but that would satisfy free software zealots. That, though, I don’t think is a strategy that actually works very well.

- A

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-2448 Roy Schestowitz Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:08:30 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-2448 Yes, but Google is not a Linux and open source company. They only use that technology in house, so the "eat your own dogfood" argument does not apply. Eric Schmidt is also on Apple board. Yes, but Google is not a Linux and open source company. They only use that technology in house, so the “eat your own dogfood” argument does not apply. Eric Schmidt is also on Apple board.

]]> By: aw shit http://techrights.org/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-2446 aw shit Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:43:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/25/mozilla-novell/#comment-2446 Google gives out ipods in some contests. Google gives out ipods in some contests.

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