Comments on: Quick Mention: How Does Dell Deliver GNU/Linux? http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-3/#comment-4353 Roy Schestowitz Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:39:06 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4353 rfrdt45, Being a Web site that isn't the press, one has to consider the fact that research is often limited. I don't state facts when they are not and the type of discussion that addressed the <em>questions</em> (not false claims) is only to be expected. Ian, Thanks for the advice, which I will take. At least it wasn't phrased rudely (that's you, Jeff). rfrdt45,

Being a Web site that isn’t the press, one has to consider the fact that research is often limited. I don’t state facts when they are not and the type of discussion that addressed the questions (not false claims) is only to be expected.

Ian,

Thanks for the advice, which I will take. At least it wasn’t phrased rudely (that’s you, Jeff).

]]> By: Ian http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-4349 Ian Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:46:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4349 While I don't exactly support your ultimate stance of boycotting Novell for the reasons you state(or infer as it normally seems), I would say that your goals might be better served if instead of posting the questions which you use to drive various fictional scenarios, you take Jeff's advice from previous posts and actually try to get those questions answered by people involved. Then you will be in a better position to back your claims....er....inferences. While I don’t exactly support your ultimate stance of boycotting Novell for the reasons you state(or infer as it normally seems), I would say that your goals might be better served if instead of posting the questions which you use to drive various fictional scenarios, you take Jeff’s advice from previous posts and actually try to get those questions answered by people involved. Then you will be in a better position to back your claims….er….inferences.

]]> By: Jeff Waugh http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-4347 Jeff Waugh Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:19:22 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4347 I point out when you're writing dumb stuff, Roy. Take some responsibility for it instead of being such a tool. I point out when you’re writing dumb stuff, Roy. Take some responsibility for it instead of being such a tool.

]]> By: rfrdt45 http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-4345 rfrdt45 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:48:45 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4345 'Nitpicking'?!?!? Roy, you just write things that are not true! That's a bit more than minor inaccuracies, which would fit the term 'nitpicking'. How about if you stop "posting at a high pace", as you so nicely put it, and RESEARCH BEFORE YOU WRITE? As it is now, it doesn't need any effort to discredit your site, you do that all by yourself. 'Everyday a Loch Ness Monster, and if I can't find one, I produce one', seems to be your motto. ‘Nitpicking’?!?!? Roy, you just write things that are not true! That’s a bit more than minor inaccuracies, which would fit the term ‘nitpicking’.

How about if you stop “posting at a high pace”, as you so nicely put it, and RESEARCH BEFORE YOU WRITE? As it is now, it doesn’t need any effort to discredit your site, you do that all by yourself. ‘Everyday a Loch Ness Monster, and if I can’t find one, I produce one’, seems to be your motto.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-4342 Roy Schestowitz Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:33:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4342 Jeff, It has been very obvious what you're trying to do here all along. You're hoping that by nitpicking amongst a lot of material which I post at a high pace you'll be able to find your share of 'proofs' that you'll then show people whenever they point out something which was posted in this site. You seek to discredit. For similar reasons, people (possibly shills) pollute sites like Slashdot with links to gross photo, insults, homophobia, and other mindless stuff that turns away CIOs and other MBAs, basically robbing the site from its reputation just because the content is uncomfortable for some corporations to accept. Jeff,

It has been very obvious what you’re trying to do here all along. You’re hoping that by nitpicking amongst a lot of material which I post at a high pace you’ll be able to find your share of ‘proofs’ that you’ll then show people whenever they point out something which was posted in this site. You seek to discredit.

For similar reasons, people (possibly shills) pollute sites like Slashdot with links to gross photo, insults, homophobia, and other mindless stuff that turns away CIOs and other MBAs, basically robbing the site from its reputation just because the content is uncomfortable for some corporations to accept.

]]> By: Jeff Waugh http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-2/#comment-4340 Jeff Waugh Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:46:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4340 You've used an inaccurate reading of the inclusion of DVD support as the jumping off point for a ridiculous, unproductive insinuation for which you have absolutely no evidence or supporting information whatsoever. I'll point out that we've seen this behaviour before. Right now, the only way to ship legal DVD support is to ship proprietary, licensed software. There is nothing sinister about that, nor is it in any way related to Microsoft. Get your facts straight and your paranoia seen to, Roy. You’ve used an inaccurate reading of the inclusion of DVD support as the jumping off point for a ridiculous, unproductive insinuation for which you have absolutely no evidence or supporting information whatsoever. I’ll point out that we’ve seen this behaviour before. Right now, the only way to ship legal DVD support is to ship proprietary, licensed software. There is nothing sinister about that, nor is it in any way related to Microsoft. Get your facts straight and your paranoia seen to, Roy.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-4339 Roy Schestowitz Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:39:14 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4339 Again, as I've said above, I really appreciate Dell's efforts and I'm among those who pressured them hard to take the plunge. As the banner above indicates clearly, the concern here is to do with software patents, not DVD playback (that's just where I asked some honest leading questions). The worry many of us have is that proprietary, commercial (as in not free), DRM-laden, and/or patent-encumbered software will turn a consumer's GNU/Linux into something it is not. I know that Dell is, in some sense, "Caught Between a Rock and a Hard Place" here. It can't please everyone. Again, as I’ve said above, I really appreciate Dell’s efforts and I’m among those who pressured them hard to take the plunge. As the banner above indicates clearly, the concern here is to do with software patents, not DVD playback (that’s just where I asked some honest leading questions). The worry many of us have is that proprietary, commercial (as in not free), DRM-laden, and/or patent-encumbered software will turn a consumer’s GNU/Linux into something it is not. I know that Dell is, in some sense, “Caught Between a Rock and a Hard Place” here. It can’t please everyone.

]]> By: rfrdt45 http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-4338 rfrdt45 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:15:12 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4338 The "I only ask questions" excuse is very shallow. You ask leading questions, you have the very clear aim to conjure up certain conspiracy theories as an answer to these 'questions'. That is so very low; like the whole of your blog is very, very low-level slander. The “I only ask questions” excuse is very shallow. You ask leading questions, you have the very clear aim to conjure up certain conspiracy theories as an answer to these ‘questions’. That is so very low; like the whole of your blog is very, very low-level slander.

]]> By: rfrdt45 http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-4337 rfrdt45 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:14:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4337 The "I only ask questions" excuse is very shallow. You ask leading questions, you have the very clear aim to conjure up certain conspiracy theories as an answer to these 'questions'. That is so very low; like the whole of your blow is very, very low. The “I only ask questions” excuse is very shallow. You ask leading questions, you have the very clear aim to conjure up certain conspiracy theories as an answer to these ‘questions’. That is so very low; like the whole of your blow is very, very low.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-4336 Roy Schestowitz Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:29:03 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4336 Was a statement made? No. I asked questions and I am glad there were answered thanks to your good knowledge. It remains to be seen what exactly is involved when it comes to Dell's affair with Microsoft and Novell. More importantly -- why? Was a statement made? No. I asked questions and I am glad there were answered thanks to your good knowledge. It remains to be seen what exactly is involved when it comes to Dell’s affair with Microsoft and Novell. More importantly — why?

]]> By: Jeff Waugh http://techrights.org/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-4335 Jeff Waugh Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:17:05 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19/dell-dvd-dmca-novell/#comment-4335 If you were capable of informed analysis and research, you'd find that they were using LinDVD, a fully licensed proprietary DVD player, and that there are no patent encumbrances related to licensed decryption of DVD content (playing the actual MPEG content certainly has encumbrances, but those are completely unrelated to Microsoft). Again, we see more negativity and misguided conspiracy theories from this site... surprise, surprise. I wonder what kind of correction and/or retraction we'll see! If you were capable of informed analysis and research, you’d find that they were using LinDVD, a fully licensed proprietary DVD player, and that there are no patent encumbrances related to licensed decryption of DVD content (playing the actual MPEG content certainly has encumbrances, but those are completely unrelated to Microsoft).

Again, we see more negativity and misguided conspiracy theories from this site… surprise, surprise. I wonder what kind of correction and/or retraction we’ll see!

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