Comments on: How Jim Allchin, Gartner and Enderle Lied to the Whole World http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-10/#comment-5694 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:22:25 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5694 Yes, I know. I sent some fragments of text to PJ a day before she published this. It was timely and it will hopefully generate a lot of discussion ahead of that corrupt (as in stacked) BRM. Yes, I know. I sent some fragments of text to PJ a day before she published this. It was timely and it will hopefully generate a lot of discussion ahead of that corrupt (as in stacked) BRM.

]]> By: Felis silvestris http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-10/#comment-5687 Felis silvestris Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:51:56 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5687 s/not/now/, sorry. The Groklaw link is http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071023002351958 s/not/now/, sorry. The Groklaw link is http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071023002351958

]]> By: Felis silvestris http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-9/#comment-5686 Felis silvestris Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:50:26 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5686 Hi, the "Effective Evangelism" document(s) are not available on Groklaw, or see the original document at: http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX3096.pdf Hi, the “Effective Evangelism” document(s) are not available on Groklaw, or see the original document at:
http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX3096.pdf

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-9/#comment-5254 Roy Schestowitz Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:16:00 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5254 Yes, but when a journalist published an article in a seemingly-neutral publication (no such thing), then the biases and business relationship must have no effect. Rob Enderle comes to mind as an example because people think of him as an analyst and journalists quote him. He is paid by Microsoft (fact) and he spreads lies about Linux adoption (last seen this yesterday). Yes, but when a journalist published an article in a seemingly-neutral publication (no such thing), then the biases and business relationship must have no effect. Rob Enderle comes to mind as an example because people think of him as an analyst and journalists quote him. He is paid by Microsoft (fact) and he spreads lies about Linux adoption (last seen this yesterday).

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-9/#comment-5252 Yuhong Bao Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:52:16 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5252 Many of the people who have low credibility in the Free Software Credibility List are simply the wrong person anyways for free software related matters. They are OK for Microsoft software related matters. Many of the people who have low credibility in the Free Software Credibility List are simply the wrong person anyways for free software related matters. They are OK for Microsoft software related matters.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-9/#comment-5250 Yuhong Bao Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:47:12 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5250 On the matter of Windows Vista, I am kind of neutral about the Vista upgrade. I am not saying that MS is innocent of crimes, in fact I do dislike the MS-Novell deal, because that deal can make Linux non-free software. On the matter of Windows Vista, I am kind of neutral about the Vista upgrade.
I am not saying that MS is innocent of crimes, in fact I do dislike the MS-Novell deal, because that deal can make Linux non-free software.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-9/#comment-5246 Roy Schestowitz Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:05:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5246 I don't know much about Morris (it predates my time somewhat) but I hear about it occasionally because I'm aware of many misconceptions about. It is sometimes used by Microsoft to make false statements. I don’t know much about Morris (it predates my time somewhat) but I hear about it occasionally because I’m aware of many misconceptions about. It is sometimes used by Microsoft to make false statements.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-8/#comment-5241 Yuhong Bao Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:50:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5241 On the matter of the Morris worm, there was one part that executed only on 2 system, VAX and Sun. On the matter of the Morris worm, there was one part that executed only on 2 system, VAX and Sun.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-8/#comment-5220 Yuhong Bao Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:00:50 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5220 Yep, the primary reason for using free software is freedom in my opinion. Freedom from a single vendor, in particular. Yep, the primary reason for using free software is freedom in my opinion. Freedom from a single vendor, in particular.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-8/#comment-5215 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:30:21 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5215 I don't think about it as war, either. I advocate very passionately, but it's a matter of freedom. As I stressed before (can't recall where), there might be a "war" between Apple and Microsoft because both very similar, but with GNU/Linux or BSD you're looking at escaping digital shackles. In other words, I think of Apple and Microsoft as a couple of 'clans' battling for vanity just as football teams compete. With Linux, it's sometimes about trend-setting. I don’t think about it as war, either. I advocate very passionately, but it’s a matter of freedom. As I stressed before (can’t recall where), there might be a “war” between Apple and Microsoft because both very similar, but with GNU/Linux or BSD you’re looking at escaping digital shackles. In other words, I think of Apple and Microsoft as a couple of ‘clans’ battling for vanity just as football teams compete. With Linux, it’s sometimes about trend-setting.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-8/#comment-5209 Yuhong Bao Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:06:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5209 No I don't either. I am talking about OS advocacy. No I don’t either. I am talking about OS advocacy.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-8/#comment-5204 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:46:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5204 I rarely think of security as "war". I rarely think of security as “war”.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-7/#comment-5197 Yuhong Bao Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:50:06 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5197 You know the Windows vs Mac OS X vs Linux war I am referring to? One of it's points is security You know the Windows vs Mac OS X vs Linux war I am referring to? One of it’s points is security

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-7/#comment-5177 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:48:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5177 Which part are you referring to here? I think you are trying to suggest that "Effective Evangelism" is a war of words...? I'm not sure I'm following... Either way, be aware that "Effective Evangelism" states that "evangelism (sophisticated word for astroturfing) is war" and it also uses words like Jihad (holy war). It's a truly appalling leak from Microsoft. Here is a bunch of quotes of interest: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08/05/honour-competition-not/ Always remember that Microsoft is not an innocent party that comes under attacks. Despite the secrecy, it's clearly attacking all of its rival as it 'innovates' new ways to undermine competition (again, I urge you to re-read the Halloween Document and see this for yourself). Which part are you referring to here? I think you are trying to suggest that “Effective Evangelism” is a war of words…? I’m not sure I’m following…

Either way, be aware that “Effective Evangelism” states that “evangelism (sophisticated word for astroturfing) is war” and it also uses words like Jihad (holy war). It’s a truly appalling leak from Microsoft. Here is a bunch of quotes of interest:

http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08/05/honour-competition-not/

Always remember that Microsoft is not an innocent party that comes under attacks. Despite the secrecy, it’s clearly attacking all of its rival as it ‘innovates’ new ways to undermine competition (again, I urge you to re-read the Halloween Document and see this for yourself).

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-7/#comment-5176 Yuhong Bao Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:12:18 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5176 But you mentioned one of the areas of the war, so I just want you to tell you that. But you mentioned one of the areas of the war, so I just want you to tell you that.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-7/#comment-5175 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:08:16 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5175 <blockquote> “very relatively few are actually the sole owners of their PCs.” What do you mean? </blockquote> Oops. I had a little typo there. From what i can gather (based on the writings of Geer, Cerf and others), over 100 million PCs (running Windows) are part of one botnet or another. The media does not give this proper coverage because it would incite panic.That's the way I view this anyway. <blockquote> BTW, I am quite neutral in the Windows vs Linux vs Mac OS X war. </blockquote> Harmony is a wonderful thing and I'm all in favour of it. What bothers me personally are the attempts to rewrite the laws and set precedence (a la Novell deal) in order to destroy a long-time rival known as Free software, which is highly attractive to more and more businesses. Some parties just don't play by the rules. In other cases, they simply change the rules. Have you read the Halloween Documents any time recently, Yuhong?

“very relatively few are actually the sole owners of their PCs.” What do you mean?

Oops. I had a little typo there.

From what i can gather (based on the writings of Geer, Cerf and others), over 100 million PCs (running Windows) are part of one botnet or another. The media does not give this proper coverage because it would incite panic.That’s the way I view this anyway.

BTW, I am quite neutral in the Windows vs Linux vs Mac OS X war.

Harmony is a wonderful thing and I’m all in favour of it. What bothers me personally are the attempts to rewrite the laws and set precedence (a la Novell deal) in order to destroy a long-time rival known as Free software, which is highly attractive to more and more businesses. Some parties just don’t play by the rules. In other cases, they simply change the rules.

Have you read the Halloween Documents any time recently, Yuhong?

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-7/#comment-5174 Yuhong Bao Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:59:24 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5174 BTW, I am quite neutral in the Windows vs Linux vs Mac OS X war. BTW, I am quite neutral in the Windows vs Linux vs Mac OS X war.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-6/#comment-5173 Yuhong Bao Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:58:45 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5173 "very relatively few are actually the sole owners of their PCs." What do you mean? “very relatively few are actually the sole owners of their PCs.” What do you mean?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-6/#comment-5172 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:47:21 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5172 Jeff Jones is just doing his job, which is to redefine metrics in such a way so that Windows is seen as secure. Then, Microsoft pushes its 'studies' onto journalists (I am quite initimately familiar with the process), some of whom will neglect to say that those 'facts' are in fact coming from Microsoft. I could provide more examples which show that this behaviour has a long history and one particular antitrust exhibit, sometimes referred to as "Effective Evangelism", reveals Microsoft's plan to deceive in this fashion. About UAC -- yes, it's like sudo. What's most amusing/obnoxious about it is that Microsoft recently patented this idea and even recommended that Apple and GNU/Linux should 'copy' the idea from Microsoft. We <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/04/sudo-patent/" rel="nofollow">wrote about this at the time</a>. Jeff Jones is just doing his job, which is to redefine metrics in such a way so that Windows is seen as secure. Then, Microsoft pushes its ‘studies’ onto journalists (I am quite initimately familiar with the process), some of whom will neglect to say that those ‘facts’ are in fact coming from Microsoft. I could provide more examples which show that this behaviour has a long history and one particular antitrust exhibit, sometimes referred to as “Effective Evangelism”, reveals Microsoft’s plan to deceive in this fashion.

About UAC — yes, it’s like sudo. What’s most amusing/obnoxious about it is that Microsoft recently patented this idea and even recommended that Apple and GNU/Linux should ‘copy’ the idea from Microsoft. We wrote about this at the time.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/comment-page-6/#comment-5171 Yuhong Bao Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:23:37 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/20/analysts-deceive-on-vista/#comment-5171 BTW, Vista's UAC is similar to sudo, only that it does not prompt for a password by default. BTW, Vista’s UAC is similar to sudo, only that it does not prompt for a password by default.

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