Comments on: Quick Mention: No Mono for IBM’s Standards Vice President http://techrights.org/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/comment-page-1/#comment-5083 Roy Schestowitz Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:52:11 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/#comment-5083 <blockquote> As far as ODF vs OOXML… who is portraying ODF as “anti-Microsoft”? News to me as I haven’t seen anyone say such a thing. </blockquote> The Burton Group, for starters.

As far as ODF vs OOXML… who is portraying ODF as “anti-Microsoft”? News to me as I haven’t seen anyone say such a thing.

The Burton Group, for starters.

]]> By: Lukas http://techrights.org/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/comment-page-1/#comment-5082 Lukas Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:24:58 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/#comment-5082 Vexorian: Yes, I saw that he is pining for a Java "backend" for Second Life, but he fails to understand how it all works. Second Life "scripts" are compiled into .NET IL, and so he'll need a .NET VM regardless of whether someone writes a Java backend for it or not. Also, as the server software for SL is built upon Mono, simply connecting to Second Life means you're using something written on top of Mono. You can't get away from it that easily. Let's also note that Bob Sutor isn't exactly unbiased when it comes to Mono vs Java as IBM is a huge Java backer and obviously they compete very heavily with Microsoft (the backers of .NET), so it's really not surprising that someone from IBM is going to tout Java over .NET. In fact, I would be more surprised if someone from IBM <i>didn't</i> bash Mono/.NET. As far as ODF vs OOXML... who is portraying ODF as "anti-Microsoft"? News to me as I haven't seen anyone say such a thing. Vexorian:

Yes, I saw that he is pining for a Java “backend” for Second Life, but he fails to understand how it all works. Second Life “scripts” are compiled into .NET IL, and so he’ll need a .NET VM regardless of whether someone writes a Java backend for it or not.

Also, as the server software for SL is built upon Mono, simply connecting to Second Life means you’re using something written on top of Mono. You can’t get away from it that easily.

Let’s also note that Bob Sutor isn’t exactly unbiased when it comes to Mono vs Java as IBM is a huge Java backer and obviously they compete very heavily with Microsoft (the backers of .NET), so it’s really not surprising that someone from IBM is going to tout Java over .NET.

In fact, I would be more surprised if someone from IBM didn’t bash Mono/.NET.

As far as ODF vs OOXML… who is portraying ODF as “anti-Microsoft”? News to me as I haven’t seen anyone say such a thing.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/comment-page-1/#comment-5081 Roy Schestowitz Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:02:06 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/#comment-5081 The same tactics are sometimes used to discredit those who criticise OOXML, Samba (CIFS) being an example. Some messages I've been receiving in the past few hours: ___ That is very true, all the MS blogger and especially Brian Jones is attacking ODF, obviouslly to distract everyone from OOXML problems. We should find away to embarress them with this tactic..... [...] However, I'm thinking it might be better to simply draw the attention back to ODF. That's what the MS boosters seem to be trying to avoid. Some of it has to do with the wording the "journalists" choose. For example, if you have (world minus MS) then it's probably not appropriate to describe that group as one "containing MS competitors" but rather as "industry" A few days ago, I had wondered if it was possible to get an attendance list of the reporters who went out to Redmond. That would help focus the efforts. ___ They will carry on portraying ODF as an "anti-Microsoft" something and use terms like "hypocrite" and "hater" to distract. The same tactics are sometimes used to discredit those who criticise OOXML, Samba (CIFS) being an example. Some messages I’ve been receiving in the past few hours:

___

That is very true, all the MS blogger and especially Brian Jones is attacking ODF, obviouslly to distract everyone from OOXML problems. We should find away to embarress them with this tactic…..

[...]

However, I’m thinking it might be better to simply draw the attention
back to ODF. That’s what the MS boosters seem to be trying to avoid.

Some of it has to do with the wording the “journalists” choose. For
example, if you have (world minus MS) then it’s probably not appropriate
to describe that group as one “containing MS competitors” but rather as
“industry”

A few days ago, I had wondered if it was possible to get an attendance
list of the reporters who went out to Redmond. That would help focus
the efforts.

___

They will carry on portraying ODF as an “anti-Microsoft” something and use terms like “hypocrite” and “hater” to distract.

]]> By: Vexorian http://techrights.org/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/comment-page-1/#comment-5070 Vexorian Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:07:15 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/#comment-5070 I like this trait, let's just call anyone who opposes MONO a hypocrite. It will just save us from actually having to consider the topic seriously, and allows us to ignore the moonlight situation and all of MS' attempts to enforce a tax using .net (whether it is an attack to Apache, web standards or mobile devices, .net is behind it). BTW Lukas, you should probably read his blog again, there's something you are missing... I like this trait, let’s just call anyone who opposes MONO a hypocrite. It will just save us from actually having to consider the topic seriously, and allows us to ignore the moonlight situation and all of MS’ attempts to enforce a tax using .net (whether it is an attack to Apache, web standards or mobile devices, .net is behind it).

BTW Lukas, you should probably read his blog again, there’s something you are missing…

]]> By: Lukas http://techrights.org/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/comment-page-1/#comment-5066 Lukas Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:36:55 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/23/bob-sutor-on-mono/#comment-5066 Funny... Bob Sutor can't stop praising Second Life... and guess what that's built on top of? Oh yea, Mono. Bob Sutor, yet another hypocrite. Funny… Bob Sutor can’t stop praising Second Life… and guess what that’s built on top of? Oh yea, Mono.

Bob Sutor, yet another hypocrite.

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