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	<title>Comments on: Why Novell is Bad for Linux: Reason #100 (Virtualisationovell-only)</title>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-4/#comment-11208</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those whose datacentres may have Hyper-V due to &#039;convenience&#039;/preinstallations/bundle deals. Not everyone gets to choose the technology. Remember Netscape?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those whose datacentres may have Hyper-V due to &#8216;convenience&#8217;/preinstallations/bundle deals. Not everyone gets to choose the technology. Remember Netscape?</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Clink</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-4/#comment-11206</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Clink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no reason to worry about not having other flavors of Linux on Hyper-V.  There&#039;s other hypervisors out there that are plenty capable of running Linux (VMware, Xen).  If MS doesn&#039;t want to support Linux on their hypervisor, who cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no reason to worry about not having other flavors of Linux on Hyper-V.  There&#8217;s other hypervisors out there that are plenty capable of running Linux (VMware, Xen).  If MS doesn&#8217;t want to support Linux on their hypervisor, who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-4/#comment-7030</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, no worries. I had to carefully rewrite my words just to ensure it&#039;s seen as polite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, no worries. I had to carefully rewrite my words just to ensure it&#8217;s seen as polite.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Soliz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-3/#comment-7019</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Soliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Roy, I don&#039;t know how I managed to miss that you have already commented about that article in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Roy, I don&#8217;t know how I managed to miss that you have already commented about that article in this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-3/#comment-7012</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Thanks for the headsup. I&#039;ll post about it shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Thanks for the headsup. I&#8217;ll post about it shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: CoolGuy</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-3/#comment-7011</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubi/+bug/129611

More mono infestation of ubuntu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubi/+bug/129611" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubi/+bug/129611</a></p>
<p>More mono infestation of ubuntu</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-3/#comment-7006</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Novell&#039;s Linux isn&#039;t truly a a property of Microsoft and probably never will be. To Microsoft, it&#039;s mainly about control. It&#039;s about controlling the price and capabilities of rival products, e.g. making them subjected to &quot;Microsoft tax&quot; and incompatible with virtualisation technology on Server 2008. The key word here is control.

Microsoft: everything is under control.

&lt;p align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;
&lt;img src=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/07-minister.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Muhammed Saeed al Sahaf&quot; /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Novell&#8217;s Linux isn&#8217;t truly a a property of Microsoft and probably never will be. To Microsoft, it&#8217;s mainly about control. It&#8217;s about controlling the price and capabilities of rival products, e.g. making them subjected to &#8220;Microsoft tax&#8221; and incompatible with virtualisation technology on Server 2008. The key word here is control.</p>
<p>Microsoft: everything is under control.</p>
<p align="center">
<img src="http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/07-minister.jpg" alt="Muhammed Saeed al Sahaf" /></p>
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		<title>By: CoolGuy</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-3/#comment-7005</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Novell/SuSE = Microsoft Linux</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Novell/SuSE = Microsoft Linux</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-2/#comment-7003</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can try to help by supporting Bruce.

http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Boycott_Novell_Support_Bruce_Perens_Fight_Against_Invasion_of_the_Borgs

Novell is also a major funding source in the Linux Foundation. It&#039;s a trapdoor for Microsoft to have influence on Linux, which Novell helps it make a cash cow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can try to help by supporting Bruce.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Boycott_Novell_Support_Bruce_Perens_Fight_Against_Invasion_of_the_Borgs" rel="nofollow">http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Boycott_Novell_Support_Bruce_Perens_Fight_Against_Invasion_of_the_Borgs</a></p>
<p>Novell is also a major funding source in the Linux Foundation. It&#8217;s a trapdoor for Microsoft to have influence on Linux, which Novell helps it make a cash cow.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-2/#comment-7002</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Victor. I quoted exactly the same bit above and gave two more prior examples. These include Novell&#039;s help for Microsoft Windows in HPC and even marketing. Then there&#039;s Silverlight indeed, among so many other things.

Novell and Microsoft do mutual favours and thrive in exclusion (as in &quot;if you&#039;re not with me, then you&#039;re against me&quot;). Unless you&#039;re a Noveller, you cannot trust Novell. I believe we will see much better examples of this in years to come. See the links to Shane&#039;s old pieces of analysis. He saw that coming before everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Victor. I quoted exactly the same bit above and gave two more prior examples. These include Novell&#8217;s help for Microsoft Windows in HPC and even marketing. Then there&#8217;s Silverlight indeed, among so many other things.</p>
<p>Novell and Microsoft do mutual favours and thrive in exclusion (as in &#8220;if you&#8217;re not with me, then you&#8217;re against me&#8221;). Unless you&#8217;re a Noveller, you cannot trust Novell. I believe we will see much better examples of this in years to come. See the links to Shane&#8217;s old pieces of analysis. He saw that coming before everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: CoolGuy</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-2/#comment-7001</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do realize that how dangerous it is to put Novell people in the Gnome  board or into other FOSS projects...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realize that how dangerous it is to put Novell people in the Gnome  board or into other FOSS projects&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CoolGuy</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-2/#comment-7000</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every Novell/SuSE Linux box sold will put money directly into M$ pocket.

Novell/SuSE is M$ version of Linux.

SuSE = M$ Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every Novell/SuSE Linux box sold will put money directly into M$ pocket.</p>
<p>Novell/SuSE is M$ version of Linux.</p>
<p>SuSE = M$ Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: CoolGuy</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-2/#comment-6999</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me tell you that Novell is M$ company. Microsoft is running it now. It is not a Linux company at all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me tell you that Novell is M$ company. Microsoft is running it now. It is not a Linux company at all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Soliz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-1/#comment-6998</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Soliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10007593o-2000469549b,00.htm?new_comment

Novell is happy with Hiper-V....

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We&#039;re pleased with Hyper-V,&quot; says Justin Steinman, director of Linux marketing at Novell. &quot;SUSE Linux is a first class guest on Microsoft Windows Server.&quot; Microsoft&#039;s Steve Ballmer has shown SUSE Linux running as a guest, which was &quot;cool&quot;, said Steinman.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But hey &quot;Novell is one of the good guys&quot;, doing &quot;a lot of work for FLOSS&quot; and &quot;in no way they want to make split Linux by trying to make the rest a second class citizen&quot; ...

We had the moonlight debacle, the OOXML debacle and now this, yet there are still people who ignored the issue, I just hope this hiper-v thing wakes people up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10007593o-2000469549b,00.htm?new_comment" rel="nofollow">http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10007593o-2000469549b,00.htm?new_comment</a></p>
<p>Novell is happy with Hiper-V&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We&#8217;re pleased with Hyper-V,&#8221; says Justin Steinman, director of Linux marketing at Novell. &#8220;SUSE Linux is a first class guest on Microsoft Windows Server.&#8221; Microsoft&#8217;s Steve Ballmer has shown SUSE Linux running as a guest, which was &#8220;cool&#8221;, said Steinman.</p></blockquote>
<p>But hey &#8220;Novell is one of the good guys&#8221;, doing &#8220;a lot of work for FLOSS&#8221; and &#8220;in no way they want to make split Linux by trying to make the rest a second class citizen&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>We had the moonlight debacle, the OOXML debacle and now this, yet there are still people who ignored the issue, I just hope this hiper-v thing wakes people up.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-1/#comment-6989</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. :-) Please help by posting.There are so many dirty tricks to keep track of and so little time. :-)

About Novell&#039;s hypercalls, you&#039;ve kept a closer eye than I did on this. You also &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/06/06/any-meat-to-that-fruit/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gave Novell some spanking over this in their PR blog&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Please help by posting.There are so many dirty tricks to keep track of and so little time. <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>About Novell&#8217;s hypercalls, you&#8217;ve kept a closer eye than I did on this. You also <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/06/06/any-meat-to-that-fruit/" rel="nofollow">gave Novell some spanking over this in their PR blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Coyle</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-1/#comment-6985</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, If memory serves me right, &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/30/novell-licensed-ms-patents-for-virtualization/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Novell took out a patent license regarding hypercall and such from Microsoft as a part of their now famous deal&lt;/a&gt;, which is why it&#039;s just SUSE I would guess...

boy, haven&#039;t been around much lately - the place looks great, I like what you&#039;ve done with it Roy ; ^ )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, If memory serves me right, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/30/novell-licensed-ms-patents-for-virtualization/" rel="nofollow">Novell took out a patent license regarding hypercall and such from Microsoft as a part of their now famous deal</a>, which is why it&#8217;s just SUSE I would guess&#8230;</p>
<p>boy, haven&#8217;t been around much lately &#8211; the place looks great, I like what you&#8217;ve done with it Roy ; ^ )</p>
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		<title>By: CoolGuy</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-1/#comment-6964</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@victor

Money</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@victor</p>
<p>Money</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Soliz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/03/21/novell-hyperv-exclusion-redhat/comment-page-1/#comment-6963</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Soliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why people still don&#039;t believe that Novell is attempting to give its distro anti competitive advantages over the rest who wouldn&#039;t want to pay the MS tax, after all Novell has been doing since Moonlight to Hyper-V...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why people still don&#8217;t believe that Novell is attempting to give its distro anti competitive advantages over the rest who wouldn&#8217;t want to pay the MS tax, after all Novell has been doing since Moonlight to Hyper-V&#8230;</p>
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