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	<title>Comments on: Bill Gates Ridicules the GPL While Novell Mops Up with Software Patents</title>
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		<title>By: John Wilson</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/22/novell-for-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-8645</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t find it at all hard to believe that MS is up to the tricks you&#039;re alleging, for the reasons you state in this case I happen to think they&#039;re being too clever by half with this one.

First off the Chinese aren&#039;t stupid.  They&#039;ve watched Microsoft for years and they&#039;re well aware of the kind of tricks they pull.  Beyond that they seem more in the mood to acquire others than to sell themselves off these days.

You do business in China by their rules not by anyone elses.

There&#039;s also a bit of a chinese elephant in the room here in the form of Red Flag Linux which carries the blessing of the Communist Party of China who do, after all, still run the show.  Playing this kind of game puts Novell and Microsoft in the position of pissing off the folks that run the place which just happens to be the largest emerging market in the world.  Not at all smart.

ttfn

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t find it at all hard to believe that MS is up to the tricks you&#8217;re alleging, for the reasons you state in this case I happen to think they&#8217;re being too clever by half with this one.</p>
<p>First off the Chinese aren&#8217;t stupid.  They&#8217;ve watched Microsoft for years and they&#8217;re well aware of the kind of tricks they pull.  Beyond that they seem more in the mood to acquire others than to sell themselves off these days.</p>
<p>You do business in China by their rules not by anyone elses.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a bit of a chinese elephant in the room here in the form of Red Flag Linux which carries the blessing of the Communist Party of China who do, after all, still run the show.  Playing this kind of game puts Novell and Microsoft in the position of pissing off the folks that run the place which just happens to be the largest emerging market in the world.  Not at all smart.</p>
<p>ttfn</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/22/novell-for-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-8289</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting insights. It&#039;s all very obvious to many of us, but not to everyone (the brainwashed media does not help). I&#039;m writing an article for Datamation at the moment. It&#039;s about Red Hat, but maybe we should indeed rebut in some way all those &quot;Microsoft loves FOSS&quot; articles that completely fall into Microsoft&#039;s trap (it&#039;s about empowering the Microsoft stack and APIs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting insights. It&#8217;s all very obvious to many of us, but not to everyone (the brainwashed media does not help). I&#8217;m writing an article for Datamation at the moment. It&#8217;s about Red Hat, but maybe we should indeed rebut in some way all those &#8220;Microsoft loves FOSS&#8221; articles that completely fall into Microsoft&#8217;s trap (it&#8217;s about empowering the Microsoft stack and APIs).</p>
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		<title>By: SubSonica</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/22/novell-for-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-8288</link>
		<dc:creator>SubSonica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They started their strategy of wooing the Open Source side of FOSS in order to marginalise Free(dom) Software and find a way to marginalise the FSF and kill the GPL and GNU/Linux long ago. They tried first with Eric Raymond, who already knew better:

&quot;http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208

    I had my serious, constructive converstation with Microsoft last year, when a midlevel exec named Steven Walli took me out to dinner at OSCON 2004 and asked, in so many words, “How can we not be evil?” And I told him — open up your file formats (including Word and multimedia), support open technical standards instead of sabotaging them, license your patents under royalty-free, paperwork-free terms.

    I believe Steve Walli went back to his bosses and told them that truth. He is no longer with Microsoft, and what little he’ll say about it hints that they canned him for trying to change their culture.

    This didn’t surprise me. Microsoft’s profit margins require a monopoly lock on the market; thus, they’re stuck with being predatory evil bastards. The moment they stop being predatory evil bastards, their stock price will tank and their options pyramid will crash and it will be all over.

    That being the case, negotiation is pointless. Microsoft is not reformable. Jeering at offers like this is actually the most constructive thing we can do.&quot;

There is a IMHO well-intentioned article on Freesoftwaremagazine stating how Microsoft wouldn&#039;t lose with Free Software, notice it is full of &quot;if&quot;s , although the article starts completely wrong by assuming the divisive propaganda thesis of Microsoft that &quot;there is some faction in the FOSS world who has an anti-Microsoft agenda&quot;, while it is quite the opposite: It is Microsoft who has had an anti-Free Software, anti-Linux and anti-OpenSource agenda from the beginning, only they seem to be approaching what (for them) seem to be the lesser, easier to tame (with money) of these three &quot;evils&quot; in order to sidestep and defeat the other two: So I agree with ESR. that Microsoft will try to keep their monopoly lock-in at any cost, because it is the only thing that keeps their margins so high; which again, allows them to spend buckloads of money in their cover-ops throught lobbying as we have been witness with the FIASCOOXML and the SW Patents (which includes the Microvell pact) ongoing war.
May be it would be appropriate for BN to write a well-elaborated rebuttal of that article at FSM, since they are encouraging readers to write a full article in reply if they feel like to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They started their strategy of wooing the Open Source side of FOSS in order to marginalise Free(dom) Software and find a way to marginalise the FSF and kill the GPL and GNU/Linux long ago. They tried first with Eric Raymond, who already knew better:</p>
<p>&#8220;http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208</p>
<p>    I had my serious, constructive converstation with Microsoft last year, when a midlevel exec named Steven Walli took me out to dinner at OSCON 2004 and asked, in so many words, “How can we not be evil?” And I told him — open up your file formats (including Word and multimedia), support open technical standards instead of sabotaging them, license your patents under royalty-free, paperwork-free terms.</p>
<p>    I believe Steve Walli went back to his bosses and told them that truth. He is no longer with Microsoft, and what little he’ll say about it hints that they canned him for trying to change their culture.</p>
<p>    This didn’t surprise me. Microsoft’s profit margins require a monopoly lock on the market; thus, they’re stuck with being predatory evil bastards. The moment they stop being predatory evil bastards, their stock price will tank and their options pyramid will crash and it will be all over.</p>
<p>    That being the case, negotiation is pointless. Microsoft is not reformable. Jeering at offers like this is actually the most constructive thing we can do.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a IMHO well-intentioned article on Freesoftwaremagazine stating how Microsoft wouldn&#8217;t lose with Free Software, notice it is full of &#8220;if&#8221;s , although the article starts completely wrong by assuming the divisive propaganda thesis of Microsoft that &#8220;there is some faction in the FOSS world who has an anti-Microsoft agenda&#8221;, while it is quite the opposite: It is Microsoft who has had an anti-Free Software, anti-Linux and anti-OpenSource agenda from the beginning, only they seem to be approaching what (for them) seem to be the lesser, easier to tame (with money) of these three &#8220;evils&#8221; in order to sidestep and defeat the other two: So I agree with ESR. that Microsoft will try to keep their monopoly lock-in at any cost, because it is the only thing that keeps their margins so high; which again, allows them to spend buckloads of money in their cover-ops throught lobbying as we have been witness with the FIASCOOXML and the SW Patents (which includes the Microvell pact) ongoing war.<br />
May be it would be appropriate for BN to write a well-elaborated rebuttal of that article at FSM, since they are encouraging readers to write a full article in reply if they feel like to.</p>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/22/novell-for-patents/comment-page-1/#comment-8275</link>
		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because Linux software is available free of charge, many Chinese businesses use it without paying.&quot;

This is the most funniest thing I&#039;ve read in a long time.

Despicable people, like Bill Gates, will continue to exist and be powerful as long other despicable people, like those commenting on the the article, continue to kiss his ass. Doesn&#039;t these people have brains to think for themselves? Is that too much to ask from the average human being?

Novell and Microsoft are selling some &quot;moon property&quot; to those unfortunate chinese citizens.

There&#039;s a fool born every second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because Linux software is available free of charge, many Chinese businesses use it without paying.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the most funniest thing I&#8217;ve read in a long time.</p>
<p>Despicable people, like Bill Gates, will continue to exist and be powerful as long other despicable people, like those commenting on the the article, continue to kiss his ass. Doesn&#8217;t these people have brains to think for themselves? Is that too much to ask from the average human being?</p>
<p>Novell and Microsoft are selling some &#8220;moon property&#8221; to those unfortunate chinese citizens.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a fool born every second.</p>
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