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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft&#8217;s Weapon Against Google: A Lot of GNU/Linux, Apparently</title>
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		<title>By: masteroblaster</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-3/#comment-8662</link>
		<dc:creator>masteroblaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote=coolguy]I **REFUSE** to slave under proprietor software no matter how bad or good they are specially from the predatory and evil m$[/quote]

Gawwwd; HOW old are you?

Anyway, not cool at all, coolguy! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote=coolguy]I **REFUSE** to slave under proprietor software no matter how bad or good they are specially from the predatory and evil m$[/quote]</p>
<p>Gawwwd; HOW old are you?</p>
<p>Anyway, not cool at all, coolguy! <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-3/#comment-8624</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Oh sorry , how could how we doubted about Microsoft’s products quality?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It has products? That&#039;s news to me. ;-)

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Asked about these problems, Arno Edelmann, Microsoft&#039;s European business security product manager, told ZDNet UK on Thursday that the code itself has pieces missing.
&quot;Usually Microsoft doesn&#039;t develop products, we buy products. It&#039;s not a bad
product, but bits and pieces are missing,&quot; said Edelmann.&lt;/em&gt;

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39286351,00.htm

To be fair, Google is no better,</description>
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Oh sorry , how could how we doubted about Microsoft’s products quality?
</p></blockquote>
<p>It has products? That&#8217;s news to me. <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>&#8220;Asked about these problems, Arno Edelmann, Microsoft&#8217;s European business security product manager, told ZDNet UK on Thursday that the code itself has pieces missing.<br />
&#8220;Usually Microsoft doesn&#8217;t develop products, we buy products. It&#8217;s not a bad<br />
product, but bits and pieces are missing,&#8221; said Edelmann.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39286351,00.htm" rel="nofollow">http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39286351,00.htm</a></p>
<p>To be fair, Google is no better,</p>
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		<title>By: CoolGuy</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-3/#comment-8623</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I **REFUSE** to slave under proprietor software no matter how bad or good they are specially from the predatory and evil m$

I choose my freedom and values of sharing over anything else.

Bill Gates and Ballmer are cursed to hell. They are the incarnate of the satan and his team of evil doers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I **REFUSE** to slave under proprietor software no matter how bad or good they are specially from the predatory and evil m$</p>
<p>I choose my freedom and values of sharing over anything else.</p>
<p>Bill Gates and Ballmer are cursed to hell. They are the incarnate of the satan and his team of evil doers.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Soliz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-3/#comment-8617</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Soliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;CoolGuy, you obsiously have NO serious experience with anything outside the Linux realm. Vista may suck speedwise, but the security framework is very OK; Excel is really unmatched. Hm. Well, I guess there are some other worthwhile Linux-products, but I cannot recall any… *grin*&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh sorry , how could how we doubted about Microsoft&#039;s products quality? They pay our wills, man, we shouldn&#039;t offend our benevolent IT world leaders! I am gonna send a love letter to our majesty Steve Ballmer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>CoolGuy, you obsiously have NO serious experience with anything outside the Linux realm. Vista may suck speedwise, but the security framework is very OK; Excel is really unmatched. Hm. Well, I guess there are some other worthwhile Linux-products, but I cannot recall any… *grin*</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh sorry , how could how we doubted about Microsoft&#8217;s products quality? They pay our wills, man, we shouldn&#8217;t offend our benevolent IT world leaders! I am gonna send a love letter to our majesty Steve Ballmer.</p>
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		<title>By: on snap</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-3/#comment-8615</link>
		<dc:creator>on snap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason Steve Jobs did not want to use Linux on the iPhone was to ensure he locked down the environment. We have all witnessed his failure at this attempt but if it would have been a Linux core the amount of apps and changes to the iPhone would be almost limitless. 

He would quickly lose all the control of vendor lock in, firmware updates, etc. Steve Jobs is far from an electronics messiah and actually quite the opposite, but in a world dominated by Microsoft people are willing to ignore his insane control schemes.

Don&#039;t ever expect Apple to be an open source advocate in any way other then to promote itself, for itself, by itself.

Steve Jobs = Apple; Will be interesting to see where the company goes when he is gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Steve Jobs did not want to use Linux on the iPhone was to ensure he locked down the environment. We have all witnessed his failure at this attempt but if it would have been a Linux core the amount of apps and changes to the iPhone would be almost limitless. </p>
<p>He would quickly lose all the control of vendor lock in, firmware updates, etc. Steve Jobs is far from an electronics messiah and actually quite the opposite, but in a world dominated by Microsoft people are willing to ignore his insane control schemes.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ever expect Apple to be an open source advocate in any way other then to promote itself, for itself, by itself.</p>
<p>Steve Jobs = Apple; Will be interesting to see where the company goes when he is gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-2/#comment-8529</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stevetheFLY, please don&#039;t insult readers. You have been trolling here since the start and your IP has me suspecting that you&#039;re &#039;eet&#039; (who insults readers too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stevetheFLY, please don&#8217;t insult readers. You have been trolling here since the start and your IP has me suspecting that you&#8217;re &#8216;eet&#8217; (who insults readers too).</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Millan</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-2/#comment-8526</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Millan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But anyway, my point: You are a clueless ignorant&quot;

and I guess you are a blatant troll ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But anyway, my point: You are a clueless ignorant&#8221;</p>
<p>and I guess you are a blatant troll <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: stevetheFLY</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-2/#comment-8508</link>
		<dc:creator>stevetheFLY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and BTW, Apple sells an OPERATING SYSTEM! The only reason that they opened their computer platform for Windows was that it helped their sales enormously.

&lt;font color=&quot;#ff0000&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Note&lt;/b&gt;: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abusive&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet troll&lt;/a&gt; that posts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/&quot; title=&quot;The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;open proxies and relays around the world&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;

stevetheFLY: 80.132.128.196

eet: 80.132.139.19</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and BTW, Apple sells an OPERATING SYSTEM! The only reason that they opened their computer platform for Windows was that it helped their sales enormously.</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000"><b>Note</b>: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/" rel="nofollow">abusive</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" rel="nofollow">Internet troll</a> that posts from <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/" title="The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities" rel="nofollow">open proxies and relays around the world</a>.</font></p>
<p>stevetheFLY: 80.132.128.196</p>
<p>eet: 80.132.139.19</p>
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		<title>By: stevetheFLY</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-2/#comment-8507</link>
		<dc:creator>stevetheFLY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CoolGuy, you obsiously have NO serious experience with anything outside the Linux realm. Vista may suck speedwise, but the security framework is very OK; Excel is really unmatched. Hm. Well, I guess there are some other worthwhile Linux-products, but I cannot recall any... *grin*

But anyway, my point: You are a clueless ignorant; just the one I WOULDN&#039;T trust with lobbying for Linux - because you simply have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. Ignorance makes good believers but bad advocates of the right cause.

&lt;font color=&quot;#ff0000&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Note&lt;/b&gt;: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abusive&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet troll&lt;/a&gt; that posts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/&quot; title=&quot;The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;open proxies and relays around the world&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;

stevetheFLY: 80.132.128.196

eet: 80.132.139.19</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CoolGuy, you obsiously have NO serious experience with anything outside the Linux realm. Vista may suck speedwise, but the security framework is very OK; Excel is really unmatched. Hm. Well, I guess there are some other worthwhile Linux-products, but I cannot recall any&#8230; *grin*</p>
<p>But anyway, my point: You are a clueless ignorant; just the one I WOULDN&#8217;T trust with lobbying for Linux &#8211; because you simply have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. Ignorance makes good believers but bad advocates of the right cause.</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000"><b>Note</b>: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/" rel="nofollow">abusive</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" rel="nofollow">Internet troll</a> that posts from <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/" title="The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities" rel="nofollow">open proxies and relays around the world</a>.</font></p>
<p>stevetheFLY: 80.132.128.196</p>
<p>eet: 80.132.139.19</p>
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		<title>By: CoolGuy</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-2/#comment-8506</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M$ afraid of Linux coz it run on every hardware out there - that directly cuts into their own market. No more lockin for M$ anymore.

Ballmar would going nuts today hearing all the doom and gloom surrounding M$ today. All their years of exploitation has come to an end finally.

Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds are our Messiah !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M$ afraid of Linux coz it run on every hardware out there &#8211; that directly cuts into their own market. No more lockin for M$ anymore.</p>
<p>Ballmar would going nuts today hearing all the doom and gloom surrounding M$ today. All their years of exploitation has come to an end finally.</p>
<p>Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds are our Messiah !!!</p>
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		<title>By: CoolGuy</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-8504</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M$ downright sucks. M$ makes really pathetic products. Only thing they are good at is knocking down competition using unfair and cheap tactics.

No one wants them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M$ downright sucks. M$ makes really pathetic products. Only thing they are good at is knocking down competition using unfair and cheap tactics.</p>
<p>No one wants them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-8502</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft&#039;s greatest headache is not Apple... but Linux, for a variety of reasons (IPR, cost, corporate relationships, software such as Office and so forth). It has admitted this for years. People in the west typically misunderstand this because they forget that only wealthy countries can buy Macs, let alone new PCs. Modern Linuxes work gracefully on antiquated machines.

As for Apple, Linux is a threat to it too, but especially at the low-end segment. Apple is in a situation similar to that of Microsoft, but whereas Microsoft is at the &quot;fight&quot; stage, Apple is still at &quot;ignore&quot; (not even &quot;ridicule&quot;).

Here is a very recent good post:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dwasifar.com/2008/04/where-are-mac-to-linux-ports.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Where are the Mac to Linux ports?&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m not talking about Apple&#039;s own apps. Apple would surely like to pretend  Linux doesn&#039;t exist. No, wait, scratch that. Apple DOES pretend Linux doesn&#039;t  exist. And they have good reason to. Just like Microsoft, they don&#039;t want to offer aid and comfort to the enemy; and what with OS X being based on BSD, they probably think it would open the door to someone figuring out how to run  Leopard&#039;s GUI on the Linux kernel. And they might be right.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Apple isn&#039;t worth worrying about at this stage because it helps in diversifying the market and ridiculing Microsoft (e.g. with Mac ads). It demotes and gradually dethrones the monoculture in some areas. In a way, Linux has a similar healthy impact on Apple in the embedded and HPC sector where it reigns. This prevents further Windows growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft&#8217;s greatest headache is not Apple&#8230; but Linux, for a variety of reasons (IPR, cost, corporate relationships, software such as Office and so forth). It has admitted this for years. People in the west typically misunderstand this because they forget that only wealthy countries can buy Macs, let alone new PCs. Modern Linuxes work gracefully on antiquated machines.</p>
<p>As for Apple, Linux is a threat to it too, but especially at the low-end segment. Apple is in a situation similar to that of Microsoft, but whereas Microsoft is at the &#8220;fight&#8221; stage, Apple is still at &#8220;ignore&#8221; (not even &#8220;ridicule&#8221;).</p>
<p>Here is a very recent good post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dwasifar.com/2008/04/where-are-mac-to-linux-ports.html" rel="nofollow">Where are the Mac to Linux ports?</a></p>
<p>&#8220;<em>I&#8217;m not talking about Apple&#8217;s own apps. Apple would surely like to pretend  Linux doesn&#8217;t exist. No, wait, scratch that. Apple DOES pretend Linux doesn&#8217;t  exist. And they have good reason to. Just like Microsoft, they don&#8217;t want to offer aid and comfort to the enemy; and what with OS X being based on BSD, they probably think it would open the door to someone figuring out how to run  Leopard&#8217;s GUI on the Linux kernel. And they might be right.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Apple isn&#8217;t worth worrying about at this stage because it helps in diversifying the market and ridiculing Microsoft (e.g. with Mac ads). It demotes and gradually dethrones the monoculture in some areas. In a way, Linux has a similar healthy impact on Apple in the embedded and HPC sector where it reigns. This prevents further Windows growth.</p>
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		<title>By: LinuxIsFun</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-8500</link>
		<dc:creator>LinuxIsFun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah right !! others software...

freebsd
opengl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah right !! others software&#8230;</p>
<p>freebsd<br />
opengl</p>
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		<title>By: LinuxIsFun</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-8499</link>
		<dc:creator>LinuxIsFun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apple should atleast support linux...maybe not use it official. lot of hackers would have got iphone just to install linux</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apple should atleast support linux&#8230;maybe not use it official. lot of hackers would have got iphone just to install linux</p>
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		<title>By: DOUGman</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/04/25/buying-linux-for-advantage/comment-page-1/#comment-8493</link>
		<dc:creator>DOUGman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But, Linux on iPhone was denied by Steve Jobs for the reason that he do not want to utilize someone else’s software. Just imagine the endless possibilities had Steve agreed.&quot;

Wow....Linux is not &quot;owned&quot; by anyone, that the beauty of it. I an can imagine the possibilities, I can guarantee you that iPhone sales would have gone up even more had he chose Linux instead. I would have bought one then, and just imagine Ubuntu on the iPhone then.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, Linux on iPhone was denied by Steve Jobs for the reason that he do not want to utilize someone else’s software. Just imagine the endless possibilities had Steve agreed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow&#8230;.Linux is not &#8220;owned&#8221; by anyone, that the beauty of it. I an can imagine the possibilities, I can guarantee you that iPhone sales would have gone up even more had he chose Linux instead. I would have bought one then, and just imagine Ubuntu on the iPhone then.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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