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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft&#8217;s Quiet War Against GNU/Linux on Motherboards</title>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-5/#comment-10044</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 23:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I could gather in my readings  yesterday, Novell wouldn&#039;t hesitate to adopt WPF for the GNOME desktop. Let&#039;s wait and see. All I know is that Microsoft calls many shots at Novell these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I could gather in my readings  yesterday, Novell wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to adopt WPF for the GNOME desktop. Let&#8217;s wait and see. All I know is that Microsoft calls many shots at Novell these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Soliz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-5/#comment-10042</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Soliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 23:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, that&#039;s messed up , I intended to say, &quot;mythical everywhere but in few countries&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, that&#8217;s messed up , I intended to say, &#8220;mythical everywhere but in few countries&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Soliz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-4/#comment-10041</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Soliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 23:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It seems a little bit churlish to blame Microsoft for that, unless anyone has evidence that they’re holding the process up? &lt;/blockquote&gt;It is their fault anyway, isn&#039;t it? We wouldn&#039;t be having this ghost standard if they didn&#039;t push it...
&lt;blockquote&gt;implying the Mono specifically infringes MS patents&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, of course mono infringes MS patents, whether intentionally or not. It is meant as a project to replicate MS&#039; code instead of innovate, nevertheless MS probably has made its patent ambiguous enough so that any implementation of .net infringes patents. 

But let&#039;s stop talking about software patents here, they are after all  mythical everywhere, and if MS began trying toget Linux users to pay them, I would still use Linux and not pay them. 

The real problem, and that&#039;s were your link is soo right is the whole &quot;follow the leather&quot; philosophy that has plagued Novell and is clear in Miguel Icaza&#039;s blog. For some reason they are pushing so hard for Linux to become an imitator of MS technologies, instead of making actual innovation, whether intentionally or not, this will render Linux a second class citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It seems a little bit churlish to blame Microsoft for that, unless anyone has evidence that they’re holding the process up? </p></blockquote>
<p>It is their fault anyway, isn&#8217;t it? We wouldn&#8217;t be having this ghost standard if they didn&#8217;t push it&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>implying the Mono specifically infringes MS patents</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, of course mono infringes MS patents, whether intentionally or not. It is meant as a project to replicate MS&#8217; code instead of innovate, nevertheless MS probably has made its patent ambiguous enough so that any implementation of .net infringes patents. </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s stop talking about software patents here, they are after all  mythical everywhere, and if MS began trying toget Linux users to pay them, I would still use Linux and not pay them. </p>
<p>The real problem, and that&#8217;s were your link is soo right is the whole &#8220;follow the leather&#8221; philosophy that has plagued Novell and is clear in Miguel Icaza&#8217;s blog. For some reason they are pushing so hard for Linux to become an imitator of MS technologies, instead of making actual innovation, whether intentionally or not, this will render Linux a second class citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-4/#comment-10023</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that. I&#039;ve also just found:



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;See? You can have most of .Net ... but you can&#039;t write a GUI because Windows Forms is held back. If you try to port Windows forms to another platform, so that a program originally written in .Net using Windows forms can be easily ported to that other platform ... Microsoft would certainly sue.

Absolutely classic Microsoft behaviour, that.

For Silverlight ... the piece of that that Microsoft have held back for themselves exclusively is the content creation part.

You can only create Silverlight content on a Windows platform. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



http://www.osnews.com/comments/19745</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that. I&#8217;ve also just found:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;See? You can have most of .Net &#8230; but you can&#8217;t write a GUI because Windows Forms is held back. If you try to port Windows forms to another platform, so that a program originally written in .Net using Windows forms can be easily ported to that other platform &#8230; Microsoft would certainly sue.</p>
<p>Absolutely classic Microsoft behaviour, that.</p>
<p>For Silverlight &#8230; the piece of that that Microsoft have held back for themselves exclusively is the content creation part.</p>
<p>You can only create Silverlight content on a Windows platform. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.osnews.com/comments/19745" rel="nofollow">http://www.osnews.com/comments/19745</a></p>
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		<title>By: T Patterson</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-4/#comment-10022</link>
		<dc:creator>T Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today on ZDNet there is a comment to Dana Blankenhorn story posted by Brian Goldfarb of Microsoft directly implying the Mono specifically infringes MS patents. He posts under the alias bgoldy.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2445</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today on ZDNet there is a comment to Dana Blankenhorn story posted by Brian Goldfarb of Microsoft directly implying the Mono specifically infringes MS patents. He posts under the alias bgoldy.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2445" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2445</a></p>
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		<title>By: LinuxIsFun</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-4/#comment-10010</link>
		<dc:creator>LinuxIsFun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And novell is helping MS fight GNU ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And novell is helping MS fight GNU ???</p>
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		<title>By: nerdd.net &#124; news and opinion</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-4/#comment-10004</link>
		<dc:creator>nerdd.net &#124; news and opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Microsofts Quiet War Against GNU/Linux on Motherboards &#124; nerdd.net...&lt;/strong&gt;

\r\nTo sum up, here we have another case study exemplifying total disregard, market abuse, distortio...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Microsofts Quiet War Against GNU/Linux on Motherboards | nerdd.net&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>\r\nTo sum up, here we have another case study exemplifying total disregard, market abuse, distortio&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-3/#comment-9983</link>
		<dc:creator>zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 01:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it looks like microsoft is going to win the race...

www.finedigg.com/computer/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it looks like microsoft is going to win the race&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.finedigg.com/computer/" rel="nofollow">http://www.finedigg.com/computer/</a></p>
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		<title>By: rob enderle</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-3/#comment-9979</link>
		<dc:creator>rob enderle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 01:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found about this right now.
Asus will be shipping millions of these motherboards every month?
Yeah, Id say Microsoft has to worry. A browser and IM client like Skype is what people use the majority of the time, so I can see this really taking the web based OS in a direction Microsoft doesnt want it to go.


This would have been ideal for my mom but she&#039;s running an EEE with Linux Mint now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found about this right now.<br />
Asus will be shipping millions of these motherboards every month?<br />
Yeah, Id say Microsoft has to worry. A browser and IM client like Skype is what people use the majority of the time, so I can see this really taking the web based OS in a direction Microsoft doesnt want it to go.</p>
<p>This would have been ideal for my mom but she&#8217;s running an EEE with Linux Mint now.</p>
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		<title>By: Penguin Pete</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-3/#comment-9971</link>
		<dc:creator>Penguin Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to drop by and say &quot;thanks for keeping us informed.&quot; I learn about all kinds of behind-the-scenes activity on this site, which I am glad to see is branching out to &quot;the big picture&quot; beyond merely focusing on one distro (inexcusable as their partnership with MS might be).

Keep up the good work, and never mind the asstroturfers! Many of us are counting on you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to drop by and say &#8220;thanks for keeping us informed.&#8221; I learn about all kinds of behind-the-scenes activity on this site, which I am glad to see is branching out to &#8220;the big picture&#8221; beyond merely focusing on one distro (inexcusable as their partnership with MS might be).</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, and never mind the asstroturfers! Many of us are counting on you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jose_X</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-3/#comment-9964</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; It seems a little bit churlish to blame Microsoft for that, unless anyone has evidence that they’re holding the process up?

UhOhXML is dog poo. He said ..She said.. The standard is full of problems. There will be no interoperability. Monopolysoft poo-poo&#039;d all over the place, and people will never regard it as anything but another gross example of Monopolysoft lack of ethics (I know, &quot;ethics&quot; is a word that doesn&#039;t exist in some people&#039;s mind when it comes to $$$). Well, actually, it won&#039;t be like just any other such example. Monopolysoft went too far this time.

What&#039;s this I hear? Another drop falling into the Monopolysoft expense bucket? Why yes, yes it is. http://www.digistan.org/hague-declaration Just a few more days left to sign up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; It seems a little bit churlish to blame Microsoft for that, unless anyone has evidence that they’re holding the process up?</p>
<p>UhOhXML is dog poo. He said ..She said.. The standard is full of problems. There will be no interoperability. Monopolysoft poo-poo&#8217;d all over the place, and people will never regard it as anything but another gross example of Monopolysoft lack of ethics (I know, &#8220;ethics&#8221; is a word that doesn&#8217;t exist in some people&#8217;s mind when it comes to $$$). Well, actually, it won&#8217;t be like just any other such example. Monopolysoft went too far this time.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s this I hear? Another drop falling into the Monopolysoft expense bucket? Why yes, yes it is. <a href="http://www.digistan.org/hague-declaration" rel="nofollow">http://www.digistan.org/hague-declaration</a> Just a few more days left to sign up.</p>
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		<title>By: nix</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-3/#comment-9963</link>
		<dc:creator>nix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to the fuck off guy you sound like a microslop loser to me YOU FUCK OFF !!!!!!!  JUST SAY NO TO MICROSLOP !!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to the fuck off guy you sound like a microslop loser to me YOU FUCK OFF !!!!!!!  JUST SAY NO TO MICROSLOP !!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-2/#comment-9962</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@whatever:

You seem to be unable to read or understand English.  Try carefully reading this story again.  There are people here who can help you to understand some of the big words, and also help you to learn how to expand your vocabulary to include more than four-letter words.   If you are in fact a kindergarten student, please disregard this comment and enjoy your nap-time this afternoon.  Have fun playing your Windows games!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@whatever:</p>
<p>You seem to be unable to read or understand English.  Try carefully reading this story again.  There are people here who can help you to understand some of the big words, and also help you to learn how to expand your vocabulary to include more than four-letter words.   If you are in fact a kindergarten student, please disregard this comment and enjoy your nap-time this afternoon.  Have fun playing your Windows games!</p>
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		<title>By: Maarten</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-2/#comment-9960</link>
		<dc:creator>Maarten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t bother Microsoft. More and more evidence is coming in that Linux cannot be stopped and is breaking through on many different devices.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t bother Microsoft. More and more evidence is coming in that Linux cannot be stopped and is breaking through on many different devices&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Alex G</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-2/#comment-9942</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Microsoft. They should have known Phoenix will come up with this BIOS, when they were writing the EULA. Shame on them for not owning the crystal ball. And shame on them for yeilding to Phoenix pressure. If they didn&#039;t, it would have made much better blog article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Microsoft. They should have known Phoenix will come up with this BIOS, when they were writing the EULA. Shame on them for not owning the crystal ball. And shame on them for yeilding to Phoenix pressure. If they didn&#8217;t, it would have made much better blog article.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-2/#comment-9930</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Victor: obviously, it&#039;s up to _someone_ - my point is, it&#039;s not up to Microsoft.

The output of the BRM is instructions to the editor on how to change the text. The editor puts the final text today, and JTC1 is supposed to distribute it.

It seems a little bit churlish to blame Microsoft for that, unless anyone has evidence that they&#039;re holding the process up? 

It&#039;s not really in their interest to hold it up whichever side you butter your toast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Victor: obviously, it&#8217;s up to _someone_ &#8211; my point is, it&#8217;s not up to Microsoft.</p>
<p>The output of the BRM is instructions to the editor on how to change the text. The editor puts the final text today, and JTC1 is supposed to distribute it.</p>
<p>It seems a little bit churlish to blame Microsoft for that, unless anyone has evidence that they&#8217;re holding the process up? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really in their interest to hold it up whichever side you butter your toast.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikolas Koswinkle</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-2/#comment-9927</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolas Koswinkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slander-mouth.

&lt;font color=&quot;#ff0000&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Note&lt;/b&gt;: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abusive&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet troll&lt;/a&gt; that posts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/&quot; title=&quot;The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;open proxies and relays around the world&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slander-mouth.</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000"><b>Note</b>: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/" rel="nofollow">abusive</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" rel="nofollow">Internet troll</a> that posts from <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/" title="The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities" rel="nofollow">open proxies and relays around the world</a>.</font></p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-1/#comment-9925</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
It should be up to someone.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Microsoft proxies or parties that it hires (ECMA has Microsoft as a customer for example).

Microsoft has spent a lot of money trying to buy this standard. Can it not afford to bribe a little more to make the process quicker? Oh, well... I guess hurrying up _at this stage_ isn&#039;t actually serving its needs. Now it can just urinate on all the formalities.

And that&#039;s just why everyone loves Microsoft. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
It should be up to someone.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Microsoft proxies or parties that it hires (ECMA has Microsoft as a customer for example).</p>
<p>Microsoft has spent a lot of money trying to buy this standard. Can it not afford to bribe a little more to make the process quicker? Oh, well&#8230; I guess hurrying up _at this stage_ isn&#8217;t actually serving its needs. Now it can just urinate on all the formalities.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just why everyone loves Microsoft. <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Victor Soliz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-1/#comment-9922</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Soliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be up to someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be up to someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex H.</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/15/eula-hyper-on-motherboards/comment-page-1/#comment-9920</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of interest, why is it supposedly up to Microsoft to publish the final OOXML text?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of interest, why is it supposedly up to Microsoft to publish the final OOXML text?</p>
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