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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft &#8216;Embraces&#8217; ODF: The Danger of an Inside Job Revisited</title>
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	<description>Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom</description>
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		<title>By: qwerty</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/25/odf-danger-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-10908</link>
		<dc:creator>qwerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 04:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO anyone who takes money or works FOR Microsoft in any way is a miserable piece of shit, not worth a squirt of piss. I call them what they are: SHIT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO anyone who takes money or works FOR Microsoft in any way is a miserable piece of shit, not worth a squirt of piss. I call them what they are: SHIT.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/25/odf-danger-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-10845</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rick,

Yes, I reckoned that the use of a nonsensial phrase like &quot;Microsoft’s paid Wikipedia editor&quot; would make it clear that it&#039;s a joke. There is no such role, so it&#039;s almost sarcastic.

From what I was able to gather, your influence in Wikipedia (never mind edits or not) had you compensated. A &#039;smoking gun&#039; is a smoking gun and it matters who was holding it, loading it, preparing it, or whatever. It&#039;s not just the execution.

The consulting contracts you ha[d&#124;ve] with/for Microsoft are nothing too unusual, either. That&#039;s just how Microsoft is providing &#039;incentives&#039; to those who perfume OOXML sufficiently, to the point where they can really believe that OOXML is an &#039;open&#039; format that would be beneficial. Convincing oneself isn&#039;t good enough. And it&#039;s not just OOXML by the way. That&#039;s just one pattern of something broader which deserves to be described as &quot;criminal activity&quot;, a bribe.

Unlike you, I am not a standards or an XML expert. What I do know, however, is that the standardisation process needs to serve those who will be affected by it, not just the money holders. The whole ISO process has been a sham, a shame and a mockery to the industry. Those in the &#039;money cycle&#039; deserve the flak they get. Maybe time will heal the wounds.

Best wishes,

Roy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rick,</p>
<p>Yes, I reckoned that the use of a nonsensial phrase like &#8220;Microsoft’s paid Wikipedia editor&#8221; would make it clear that it&#8217;s a joke. There is no such role, so it&#8217;s almost sarcastic.</p>
<p>From what I was able to gather, your influence in Wikipedia (never mind edits or not) had you compensated. A &#8216;smoking gun&#8217; is a smoking gun and it matters who was holding it, loading it, preparing it, or whatever. It&#8217;s not just the execution.</p>
<p>The consulting contracts you ha[d|ve] with/for Microsoft are nothing too unusual, either. That&#8217;s just how Microsoft is providing &#8216;incentives&#8217; to those who perfume OOXML sufficiently, to the point where they can really believe that OOXML is an &#8216;open&#8217; format that would be beneficial. Convincing oneself isn&#8217;t good enough. And it&#8217;s not just OOXML by the way. That&#8217;s just one pattern of something broader which deserves to be described as &#8220;criminal activity&#8221;, a bribe.</p>
<p>Unlike you, I am not a standards or an XML expert. What I do know, however, is that the standardisation process needs to serve those who will be affected by it, not just the money holders. The whole ISO process has been a sham, a shame and a mockery to the industry. Those in the &#8216;money cycle&#8217; deserve the flak they get. Maybe time will heal the wounds.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Roy</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Jelliffe</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/05/25/odf-danger-inside/comment-page-1/#comment-10835</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Jelliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 09:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy: You know that I only made suggestions to the Wikipedia discusion pages on OOXML and I didn&#039;t make a single edit.  This was done transparently, in full accordance with Wikipedia&#039;s rules and with the support of Wikipedia editors and resulted in a page with less of the partisan crap and more of the hard technical details. I did not have to vet or submit any of my suggested improvements to Microsoft (nor did I).  

So please call me something more accurate than &quot;MicroSoft&#039;s paid Wikipedia editor&quot;.  I am sure you wouldn&#039;t your readers to be misinformed.

Cheers
Rick Jelliffe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy: You know that I only made suggestions to the Wikipedia discusion pages on OOXML and I didn&#8217;t make a single edit.  This was done transparently, in full accordance with Wikipedia&#8217;s rules and with the support of Wikipedia editors and resulted in a page with less of the partisan crap and more of the hard technical details. I did not have to vet or submit any of my suggested improvements to Microsoft (nor did I).  </p>
<p>So please call me something more accurate than &#8220;MicroSoft&#8217;s paid Wikipedia editor&#8221;.  I am sure you wouldn&#8217;t your readers to be misinformed.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Rick Jelliffe</p>
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