Comments on: The Curse of Money (or “Why Microsoft is Everywhere”) http://techrights.org/2008/08/02/the-curse-of-money/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Wilson http://techrights.org/2008/08/02/the-curse-of-money/comment-page-1/#comment-17902 John Wilson Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:10:22 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/02/the-curse-of-money/#comment-17902 It's a bit sad when we turn on each other over things like this. M$ doesn't need to buy in as long as this keeps up all they need to do it point it out to prospective customers. That said. The secret has long been out about Microsoft's MO so if Apache took the coin without taking all of that into account then they're fools. I submit that they aren't fools. It's funny that I see various levels of angst in the FOSS world over this, and $100,000 doesn't buy much of anything these days remember, while at the same time the more "mainstream" and usually Windows friendly blogs mutter darkly about the end of IIS. Perens is correct in saying that this is a PR play to convince people like the EU that they can and do play nice. The EU's competition folks aren't likely to be impressed, they've seen too much of this before so it's kinda wasted money that way. As for developing all open source on Windows does anyone seriously think a rational developer will build on Vista?! Then again, and most importantly we in the FOSS communities say we believe in freedom, the freedom to share and to give back. In fact the GPL mandates it. In many ways so does the GPL compatible Apache license. If the Four Freedoms mean anything at all they also mean that MS is welcome to play on our terms not theirs, as it IBM, Oracle and so on who already do. These sorts of moves seem to be more desperation on the part of M$ than much else. Of course it would have been a lot cheaper for MS to buy tickets to the Penguin confab in Tel-Aviv than to pay to help sponsor the event so they could get abused that way. (Which the report, Roy cites, goes on to say is exactly what happened.) There isn't a tech organization this side of Neptune that trusts Microsoft anymore whether their proprietary closed source companies or FOSS projects. When you shake hands with M$ you always could your fingers after to make sure you still have all 10 of them. Of course, you do the same thing when you shake hands with a politician as well. ttfn John It’s a bit sad when we turn on each other over things like this. M$ doesn’t need to buy in as long as this keeps up all they need to do it point it out to prospective customers.

That said. The secret has long been out about Microsoft’s MO so if Apache took the coin without taking all of that into account then they’re fools. I submit that they aren’t fools.

It’s funny that I see various levels of angst in the FOSS world over this, and $100,000 doesn’t buy much of anything these days remember, while at the same time the more “mainstream” and usually Windows friendly blogs mutter darkly about the end of IIS.

Perens is correct in saying that this is a PR play to convince people like the EU that they can and do play nice. The EU’s competition folks aren’t likely to be impressed, they’ve seen too much of this before so it’s kinda wasted money that way.

As for developing all open source on Windows does anyone seriously think a rational developer will build on Vista?!

Then again, and most importantly we in the FOSS communities say we believe in freedom, the freedom to share and to give back. In fact the GPL mandates it. In many ways so does the GPL compatible Apache license.

If the Four Freedoms mean anything at all they also mean that MS is welcome to play on our terms not theirs, as it IBM, Oracle and so on who already do.

These sorts of moves seem to be more desperation on the part of M$ than much else.

Of course it would have been a lot cheaper for MS to buy tickets to the Penguin confab in Tel-Aviv than to pay to help sponsor the event so they could get abused that way. (Which the report, Roy cites, goes on to say is exactly what happened.)

There isn’t a tech organization this side of Neptune that trusts Microsoft anymore whether their proprietary closed source companies or FOSS projects.

When you shake hands with M$ you always could your fingers after to make sure you still have all 10 of them.

Of course, you do the same thing when you shake hands with a politician as well.

ttfn

John

]]> By: Agent Smith http://techrights.org/2008/08/02/the-curse-of-money/comment-page-1/#comment-17763 Agent Smith Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:32:24 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/02/the-curse-of-money/#comment-17763 Well, M$ is that kind of woman who can't keep healthy relationships (Marilyn Monroe's name comes to my head) and the fact is: whether they(M$) betray their partners, or worse, they break them down. Let's see how long this honeymoon between Apache and M$ will last. And, mainly, how Apache will emerge from this "marriage" ... Well, M$ is that kind of woman who can’t keep healthy relationships (Marilyn Monroe’s name comes to my head) and the fact is: whether they(M$) betray their partners, or worse, they break them down. Let’s see how long this honeymoon between Apache and M$ will last. And, mainly, how Apache will emerge from this “marriage” …

]]> By: DOUGman http://techrights.org/2008/08/02/the-curse-of-money/comment-page-1/#comment-17762 DOUGman Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:14:46 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/02/the-curse-of-money/#comment-17762 Hmmmmmm... again instead of Innovating, MS again to decides to buy their way, to gain what they want.... CONTROL. I think in this instance, the saying "The frog dropped into boiling water has sense to leap out, but the frog dropped into cold water can be cooked to death before he realizes he is in serious trouble" may apply. FOSS developers should always just MS to go take a hike and get lost..PERIOD. I am sure they are more then capable of developing on top of a Windows platform as they have done in the past. I hate to see Apache be taken down. D. Hmmmmmm… again instead of Innovating, MS again to decides to buy their way, to gain what they want…. CONTROL.

I think in this instance, the saying “The frog dropped into boiling water has sense to leap out, but the frog dropped into cold water can be cooked to death before he realizes he is in serious trouble” may apply.

FOSS developers should always just MS to go take a hike and get lost..PERIOD. I am sure they are more then capable of developing on top of a Windows platform as they have done in the past. I hate to see Apache be taken down.

D.

]]> By: Agent Smith http://techrights.org/2008/08/02/the-curse-of-money/comment-page-1/#comment-17736 Agent Smith Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:37:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/02/the-curse-of-money/#comment-17736 Well, as i see this matter today, M$ is only giving a rope(and not HOPE) to the foss community and making every arrangement to make sure foss community will hang themselves. Good and merciful Jesus... Watch over us... And The FOSS community as well... We now need you as never before... Well, as i see this matter today, M$ is only giving a rope(and not HOPE) to the foss community and making every arrangement to make sure foss community will hang themselves. Good and merciful Jesus… Watch over us… And The FOSS community as well… We now need you as never before…

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