Comments on: Novuel’s de Icaza: The Man Who Gives GNU/Linux to Microsoft http://techrights.org/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: libervisco http://techrights.org/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/comment-page-2/#comment-18406 libervisco Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:35:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/#comment-18406 I actually agree and understand that this is not pure malice. I don't believe in "evil" people, considering that "evil" is largely a subjective value and that it is actually acts which are the source of the "evil" characterization. That said, within my own subjectivity, I find myself despising Miguel De Icaza because I do not value his push of the bloat known as Mono into my currently favorite desktop environment, GNOME. The potential patent "threats" are just an icing at the top. I am not a believer in the legal system, but I realize that most people are and therefore if you guys are right about the whole thing about infecting GNU/Linux with patented stuff, they and consequently Freedomware, may indeed be negatively affected. So I tend to stay away from Mono and am positively enraged about the idea of putting even more of it into GNOME. Now he's talking about rewriting the whole darn desktop in this stuff. So I gotta say, and as is my free market right, I am beginning to side with the whole BoycottNovell campaign. Good work guys! Danijel I actually agree and understand that this is not pure malice. I don’t believe in “evil” people, considering that “evil” is largely a subjective value and that it is actually acts which are the source of the “evil” characterization.

That said, within my own subjectivity, I find myself despising Miguel De Icaza because I do not value his push of the bloat known as Mono into my currently favorite desktop environment, GNOME. The potential patent “threats” are just an icing at the top. I am not a believer in the legal system, but I realize that most people are and therefore if you guys are right about the whole thing about infecting GNU/Linux with patented stuff, they and consequently Freedomware, may indeed be negatively affected.

So I tend to stay away from Mono and am positively enraged about the idea of putting even more of it into GNOME. Now he’s talking about rewriting the whole darn desktop in this stuff.

So I gotta say, and as is my free market right, I am beginning to side with the whole BoycottNovell campaign. Good work guys!

Danijel

]]> By: spartan2276 http://techrights.org/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/comment-page-2/#comment-18186 spartan2276 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:38:10 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/#comment-18186 I got one word, ASSHOLE! That is what he is, regardless of how much he has done in the past it is no excuse to turn on the FOSS movement like that and act as if he's doing something positive, you know what the sad part is doing anything about it. Not malice, boy I say your the one who's naive! I got one word, ASSHOLE! That is what he is, regardless of how much he has done in the past it is no excuse to turn on the FOSS movement like that and act as if he’s doing something positive, you know what the sad part is doing anything about it. Not malice, boy I say your the one who’s naive!

]]> By: Balzac http://techrights.org/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/comment-page-2/#comment-18185 Balzac Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:30:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/#comment-18185 Novell is the new SCO and Miguel de Icaza is the new Darl McBride. What makes this time different is that the focus has shifted from copyright law to patent law. The premeditated attack by Microsoft and the betrayal of the free software community are very familiar. Another venerable GNU/Linux distribution has become a torpedo launched against the whole community. Novell is the new SCO and Miguel de Icaza is the new Darl McBride.

What makes this time different is that the focus has shifted from copyright law to patent law.

The premeditated attack by Microsoft and the betrayal of the free software community are very familiar.

Another venerable GNU/Linux distribution has become a torpedo launched against the whole community.

]]> By: anon today http://techrights.org/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/comment-page-1/#comment-18069 anon today Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:26:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/#comment-18069 He isn't stupid, and he shouldn't be naive (he isn't a child) - although politically it sure looks that way some times. Miguel just loves technology - he just happens to love much of MS technology the most. And bugger anyone else's thoughts, he's going to surround himself with yes-men and go where he wants. He absolutely gets off on being the centre of attention/oss super-star - it is probably more arrogance and selfishness than stupidity or naivety and it definitely is not malice. He's like 'the most beloved father of the people' who believes he's doing the right thing for his followers, no matter what goes on around him. (i.e. a dictator). He isn’t stupid, and he shouldn’t be naive (he isn’t a child) – although politically it sure looks that way some times. Miguel just loves technology – he just happens to love much of MS technology the most. And bugger anyone else’s thoughts, he’s going to surround himself with yes-men and go where he wants.

He absolutely gets off on being the centre of attention/oss super-star – it is probably more arrogance and selfishness than stupidity or naivety and it definitely is not malice.

He’s like ‘the most beloved father of the people’ who believes he’s doing the right thing for his followers, no matter what goes on around him. (i.e. a dictator).

]]> By: Needs Sunlight http://techrights.org/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/comment-page-1/#comment-18007 Needs Sunlight Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:16:31 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/#comment-18007 @aeshna23: de Icaza's actions since 2000 make it look like he really is trying to deliver GNU/Linux to MS, or at least cripple it. Look at the distros now encumbered with Mono and how it is getting in the back door: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/08/mono-alert/ http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/#comment-2565 He can't be as stupid or naive as he tries to project sometimes. Nor can h @aeshna23: de Icaza’s actions since 2000 make it look like he really is trying to deliver GNU/Linux to MS, or at least cripple it. Look at the distros now encumbered with Mono and how it is getting in the back door:

http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/08/mono-alert/

http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/#comment-2565

He can’t be as stupid or naive as he tries to project sometimes. Nor can h

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/comment-page-1/#comment-18001 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:32:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/#comment-18001 aeshna2, Fair point. I wasn't thinking clearly when typing down that headline. The issue with Moonlight, however, is also one of compatibility with the Web (not just DEs). Novell <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/26/microsoft-redefines-cross-platform/" rel="nofollow">helps Microsoft give the impression that Silverlight is fine for GNU/Linux</a> (even though there's no Silverlight for GNU/Linux) and since Web sites, such as the Library of Congress and NBC's exclusive coverage of the Olympics, use Silverlight, Novell can urge other DE users to fetch Moonlight. They are playing a role in Microsoft's chicken-and-egg game. Regarding "second-rate" (we sometimes call it "second-class citizen") see these: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/23/novells-identity-crisis-makes-linux-an-expensive-second-class-windows/ http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/18/mono-moonlight-silverlight/ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/25/gnome-functionality-wo-csharp/ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/22/second-class-opensuse/ http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/06/moonlight-drinks-xml-2007/ aeshna2,

Fair point. I wasn’t thinking clearly when typing down that headline. The issue with Moonlight, however, is also one of compatibility with the Web (not just DEs). Novell helps Microsoft give the impression that Silverlight is fine for GNU/Linux (even though there’s no Silverlight for GNU/Linux) and since Web sites, such as the Library of Congress and NBC’s exclusive coverage of the Olympics, use Silverlight, Novell can urge other DE users to fetch Moonlight. They are playing a role in Microsoft’s chicken-and-egg game.

Regarding “second-rate” (we sometimes call it “second-class citizen”) see these:

http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/23/novells-identity-crisis-makes-linux-an-expensive-second-class-windows/
http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/18/mono-moonlight-silverlight/
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/25/gnome-functionality-wo-csharp/
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/22/second-class-opensuse/
http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/06/moonlight-drinks-xml-2007/

]]> By: Meh http://techrights.org/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/comment-page-1/#comment-18000 Meh Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:21:20 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/#comment-18000 ^^ Its lack of integrity and ethics. Money and Success above everything. ^^ Its lack of integrity and ethics.

Money and Success above everything.

]]> By: aeshna23 http://techrights.org/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/comment-page-1/#comment-17999 aeshna23 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:07:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/giving-gnu-to-dot-net/#comment-17999 I read boycottnovell religiously, but may not get all the subtle points. I don't understand calling Icaza "The Man Who Gives GNU/Linux to Microsoft". Isn't he just giving Gnome to Microsoft? If I'm understanding correctly, your rhetoric of "giving GNU?/LInus to Microsoft" is too defeatist. It obscures that we have two front for our fight: 1) Gnome 2) stopping the Gnome/Mono issues from spreading to other projects I think we stand excellent odds on the second front. On another topic, I just get Icaza at all. How can he think that implementing Linux as a second-rate Microsoft is a good way to spend his life? Does he utterly lack pride? I read boycottnovell religiously, but may not get all the subtle points. I don’t understand calling Icaza “The Man Who Gives GNU/Linux to Microsoft”. Isn’t he just giving Gnome to Microsoft? If I’m understanding correctly, your rhetoric of “giving GNU?/LInus to Microsoft” is too defeatist. It obscures that we have two front for our fight:

1) Gnome
2) stopping the Gnome/Mono issues from spreading to other projects

I think we stand excellent odds on the second front.

On another topic, I just get Icaza at all. How can he think that implementing Linux as a second-rate Microsoft is a good way to spend his life? Does he utterly lack pride?

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