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| dsmith_ | new MS commercial, what a load of bollocks | Sep 07 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | I stopped watching after 30 secs. | Sep 07 00:22 |
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| dsmith_ | haha | Sep 07 00:22 |
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| dsmith_ | I went out and asked before to tell me thier reaction, they were confused... IS MS Selling shoes now? | Sep 07 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | Seeing a comedian I used to respect turning into a shoemaker of a fraudulent executive... | Sep 07 00:23 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: http://www.itwire.com/content/vi... | Sep 07 02:04 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: remember m$ loves chrome because the 95% | Sep 07 02:04 |
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| ZiggyFish | hey | Sep 07 04:19 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft money in IDG/IDC goes further than I first imagined: InfoWorld, CIO, ComputerWorld, CSO, Demo, GamePro, Games.net, IDG Connect,IDG World Expo, Industry Standard, IT World, JavaWorld, LinuxWorld, MacUser, Macworld, Network World, PC World, Playlist | Sep 07 08:10 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out that "c83-254-128-195.bredband.comhem.se" grabbed more than 25074 pages from BN yesterday, but not with a grabber like wget. | Sep 07 10:51 |
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| ZiggyFish | do you know who it is? | Sep 07 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | No. I did a search, but nothing relevant comes up. The site does not even *have* that many pages. | Sep 07 10:54 |
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| ZiggyFish | lol | Sep 07 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | We have about 5000: http://www.google.com/search?so... | Sep 07 10:54 |
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| trmanco | duplicate pages | Sep 07 10:55 |
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| trmanco | from the monthly archives, etc | Sep 07 10:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... Microsoft embezzlement also 8 years ago: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/... | Sep 07 10:56 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: there aren't duplicates though. | Sep 07 10:56 |
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| trmanco | thats on Google | Sep 07 10:56 |
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| trmanco | you have a rules for the search engine bot *I guess* so you only get about 5000 on the search engine | Sep 07 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | Really? | Sep 07 10:58 |
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| trmanco | but if you scan the website with a sitemap builder without any sort of rules for example, you got a more than just 5000 | Sep 07 10:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/robots.txt | Sep 07 10:58 |
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| trmanco | I'm eating up words :| | Sep 07 10:58 |
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| schestowitz | Well, I used to have XML sitemap for it, but as the site went past 3000 posts or so and the host put a CPU cap on us (destroying some pages in the process), that had to end | Sep 07 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-... | Sep 07 11:00 |
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| trmanco | hmmm | Sep 07 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | "The accused had reportedly made use of their comprehensive knowledge of business practices in the financial house Rothschild, and had instructed Rothschild partner French to transfer 654,000 Microsoft stocks from an unknowing Rothschild client to the account of the board member's company in Ohio." http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/sum... | Sep 07 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | (I'm looking for something very specific, but I come across these other bits along the way) | Sep 07 11:02 |
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| trmanco | I already made sitemaps with some cheap sitemap builder and they repeat the index pages, archives, tags, pages, etc so thats why I said that | Sep 07 11:02 |
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| ZiggyFish | do you guys like chrome | Sep 07 11:03 |
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| trmanco | but you do only have about 5000 indexable pages tho | Sep 07 11:03 |
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| trmanco | ZiggyFish, it sucks | Sep 07 11:03 |
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| trmanco | can't get it to work 99% on wine | Sep 07 11:03 |
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| trmanco | :| | Sep 07 11:03 |
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| ZiggyFish | I agree | Sep 07 11:04 |
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| ZiggyFish | don't think it will change anything | Sep 07 11:04 |
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| trmanco | http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.a... | Sep 07 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | I hate pay tolls for access to information.. "Microsoft Corp. said Friday that it gave chairman Bill Gates a ... to atone for a $5 million embezzlement scandal, the bank " excerpt for http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/... | Sep 07 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | This one too is new to me: "Microsoft co-founder Paul G. Allen has been sued for sexual harassment in Los Angeles Superior Court by a woman who says she was fired from one of the billionaire's businesses after twice rejecting his sexual advances on a business trip three years ago." http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/ac... | Sep 07 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | Angeles+Times&desc=Micr osoft+ Co-Founder+Is+Accus ed +of+Harass ment%3B+Court%3A+Su it+sa ys+ e mployee+of+L.A.+company +wa s+fired+after+rejecting+his+adv ances. +Computer+mogul+Paul+Allen +denies+allegation.&pqatl=g oogle | Sep 07 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyurl.com/573gvw | Sep 07 11:07 |
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| ZiggyFish | we may reach 1 % at the end of this month http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report... | Sep 07 11:08 |
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| ZiggyFish | or in real terms 99 % of people use linux in some form | Sep 07 11:09 |
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| trmanco | yes | Sep 07 11:10 |
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| trmanco | maybe | Sep 07 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's bogus, ZiggyFish. Don't link to Big Lies. | Sep 07 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/09/b... | Sep 07 11:11 |
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| ZiggyFish | the problem is, most people use hitslink.com as their only source of market share information | Sep 07 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | That's because the media is pushing them towards it. ZeeZeeNet, IDG, etc. | Sep 07 11:13 |
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| ZiggyFish | yep | Sep 07 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | Even Microsoft's liars from Partner Group say this (not for the first time BTW): http://digg.com/linux_unix/GNU_Linu... | Sep 07 11:14 |
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| schestowitz | It was estimated at 3% for several years, but it's growing all the time. It could be well more than 4% because of second-hand PCs in developing countries. | Sep 07 11:15 |
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| ZiggyFish | be interesting to see how hitslink get's their information | Sep 07 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... | Sep 07 11:17 |
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| schestowitz | BN shows that there are more GNU/Linux users than Windows users, but that's a niche site. | Sep 07 11:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inqu... "A WOMAN is suing the Enhanced Business Reporting Corporation, Grant Thornton, Pricewaterhouse Coopers, the AICPA, Microsoft and named individuals working for these outfits in an Indiana court. | Sep 07 11:19 |
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| ZiggyFish | well put " If you were my graduate student and you came to me with this sampling strategy, I’d send you back to kindergarten." | Sep 07 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | Don't link to these big lies. It's easy to prove almost anything using stats. Like IDC does with server figures (counting just revenue from preinstalls as "market share")... | Sep 07 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm... this one seems impossible to find (articles not there): http://news.google.com/archive... | Sep 07 11:32 |
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| ZiggyFish | yeah | Sep 07 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out the Lyons shills hasn't blogged here for years, but watch him attack GL and RMS: http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/ | Sep 07 11:34 |
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| ZiggyFish | http://www.itnews.com.au/News/News... more on chrome | Sep 07 11:36 |
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| ZiggyFish | and not the paint sniffers | Sep 07 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | Nobody cared for his attacks on FOSS in a WordPress blogs, so he decided to pretend to be Steve Jobs in BlogSpot and do his 'freetard' attacks from there. | Sep 07 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't that an already-resolved issue? | Sep 07 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | Haven't read past the beginning yet, but the EULA is changed, so ITNews might be delivering old news. | Sep 07 11:37 |
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| ZiggyFish | As a result, Google completely deleted the offending passage and changed the section to read: "You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in content which you submit, post or display on or through, the services." | Sep 07 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | "In the meantime, local restaurants are already introducing their own touchscreen ordering systems, most notably Wagaya in Sydney's Haymarket." http://www.theage.com.au/news/athome/... | Sep 07 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | I'm just a tad curious. Is that Haymarket media, which owns ITNews? http://www.haymarketmedia.com.au/... | Sep 07 11:40 |
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| ZiggyFish | can't wait until Firefox 3.1 comes out (really want these new tags to take effect) | Sep 07 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | From http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-128020404.html : "(Haymarket Media appointed Kevin Downey as publisher of Medical Marketing and Media)(Brief Article)" [...] Most recently, Downey was director of media sales at dice.com, an employment board for the technology sector, where he handled media sales efforts for such companies as Microsoft, Intel and Oracle." | Sep 07 11:42 |
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| schestowitz | It seems too loose though. There seems to be no strong connection there. | Sep 07 11:42 |
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| ZiggyFish | mm, true | Sep 07 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | I still trust SJVN. | Sep 07 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting idea about Mono going proprietary/'protected' for certain portions: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/06/hobby... " I'll tell you what they will do, they will fork Mono into proprietary and open, instantly after that MS will give blessing only to prop. Mono while the other will be just like a shareware for them." | Sep 07 15:20 |
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| trmanco | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20488/1141/ | Sep 07 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, I'll add it | Sep 07 16:58 |
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| trmanco | :) | Sep 07 16:58 |
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| _Doug | ....................................................... ................................................................... .............................................. | Sep 07 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, man. | Sep 07 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | You sent me this: http://www.crn.com/software/210500354 "We still come across clients that have made the mistake of buying a consumer device because nobody ever explained the differences in quality, warranty and performance to them when they made the retail purchase," Duffy said. | Sep 07 18:42 |
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| _Doug | This is just the latest SPIN~1 out of redmond | Sep 07 18:46 |
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| _Doug | There's a difference in quality between the consumer and commercial version | Sep 07 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | I know. "Get a load of the self-serving bum-fluss fresh out of MICROS~1. You see, the reason for the failure of Vista is the cunstomers are confusing a 'consumer device' with devices aimed at the 'small business space'. As if there was any difference between the two, a glorified overbloated menuing GUI .. :) " | Sep 07 18:46 |
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| _Doug | The reality is Vista wouldn't run on the hardware, remember they abd Intel colluded on reducing the specs. | Sep 07 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | Can you E-mail client not handle words long than 8 CHARAC~1? | Sep 07 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | *longer | Sep 07 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug:: OEMs too, not just Intel. | Sep 07 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | It's not a collusion. It Vendor Orgy. | Sep 07 18:48 |
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| _Doug | It's a little attempt at humor, it's the only thing MICROS~1 ever innovated .. | Sep 07 18:48 |
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| _Doug | "|quality, warranty and performance" .. is there a different warenty for the CONSUME~1 version | Sep 07 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | It made Intel happy enough for exclusivity. | Sep 07 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Warranty = "peace of mind" | Sep 07 18:49 |
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| _Doug | This computer is Vista ready: it doesn't run Vista, oh, in that case it's a performance issue .. | Sep 07 18:50 |
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| _Doug | quality ? | Sep 07 18:50 |
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| _Doug | ot: there's a meme going round the Internet, in US blablabla, in Russia it's the exact opposite etc .. do you know of it .. | Sep 07 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's old, no? | Sep 07 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | You mean that Slashdot humour? | Sep 07 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reversal | Sep 07 18:52 |
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| _Doug | ahh thanks .. | Sep 07 18:52 |
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| _Doug | IS funny .. Ja | Sep 07 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | I could not pin down a reference to the "Only old people in Korea" hunour. | Sep 07 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | *humour | Sep 07 18:57 |
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| _Doug | I sent one 'Russian reversal' joke to an American and they didn't get it .. no sense of irony ... | Sep 07 18:57 |
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| _Doug | " legions of Microsoft 'gurus'" | Sep 07 19:00 |
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| _Doug | "it also sounds like the type of experience one gets immediately upon walking into an Apple store. And, in the opinion of many Microsoft channel partners, that's a step in the right direction." | Sep 07 19:01 |
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| _Doug | desperation !!! | Sep 07 19:01 |
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| _Doug | EXCUSES~1 .. "Microsoft faces certain challenges that Apple does not, including a more complex product set, a lack of control over the retail environment, and the need to represent many companies' products." | Sep 07 19:02 |
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| _Doug | void Jesus _tapDANCing CHRIS~1 ... | Sep 07 19:03 |
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| _Doug | class CHRIS~1 { billg ] | Sep 07 19:03 |
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| PetoKraus | doh | Sep 07 19:04 |
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| PetoKraus | that freaking Windows XP can't be booted off USB | Sep 07 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | I think i can. | Sep 07 19:04 |
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| PetoKraus | INNOVA~1 | Sep 07 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | Not trivially though. | Sep 07 19:04 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, i am sort of following tutorial how to do that | Sep 07 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | There's also an OpenSUSE spinner that produces live OpenSUSE-based USBs. | Sep 07 19:05 |
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| PetoKraus | opensuse can't run baldur's gate, yet. | Sep 07 19:05 |
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| PetoKraus | when it becomes opensuse-oh-sorry-we-put-windows-in-the-box | Sep 07 19:06 |
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| _Doug | ot: INNOVA~1: can anyone think of a good Russian Reversal using that ? | Sep 07 19:10 |
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| _Doug | back in ten .. | Sep 07 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Will think of something.. | Sep 07 19:14 |
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| _Doug | Cloud Computing, reality or head in the clouds ? | Sep 07 20:09 |
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| _Doug | Anyone tried Google Chrome? | Sep 07 20:09 |
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| _Doug | What's on t' tellie right now ? | Sep 07 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | I don't watch it. | Sep 07 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Chrome is still a Windows blob. | Sep 07 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | The source is just a sandbox for happy hax0rs | Sep 07 20:15 |
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| _Doug | I like the minimal display .. | Sep 07 20:16 |
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| _Doug | Like currently I have three horozontal sections at the top of FF, each not teling me much .. | Sep 07 20:16 |
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| _Doug | And a status bar at the bottom .. | Sep 07 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | It would be nice for it to automatically fold away and have focus on hover. | Sep 07 20:17 |
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| _Doug | The top one says 'Mibbit client widget - Mozilla Firefox .. a total waste of real estate .. | Sep 07 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | Like Apple's Dashboard or panels that hide. | Sep 07 20:17 |
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| _Doug | I would like the one section at the top containing everything, and one status line at the bottom for everything else .. | Sep 07 20:18 |
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| _Doug | Any prompts should only pop up at the bottom, not scrool the main window down and ask 'do you want to save this pasword' etc .. | Sep 07 20:19 |
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| _Doug | I hate nags .. 'do you want to upgrade' etc ... | Sep 07 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | That might make a learning curve. | Sep 07 20:19 |
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| _Doug | No, I want to read the frigging text that is on the screen, | Sep 07 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | The dialgue for plguin upgrade should be shot ( ;-) ) or made automatic. It also works in the background, leaving the user to wait. | Sep 07 20:20 |
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| _Doug | XP + YOutube .. there are TWO controls for audio .. that move about .. | Sep 07 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | But one is a master. | Sep 07 20:21 |
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| _Doug | If you set the audio at 5, the next video sets it back to full .. so view 3 videos and you have to adjust the audio three times .. a kinda jolting experience. | Sep 07 20:22 |
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| _Doug | How about the one audio control that is is the same place .. :) | Sep 07 20:22 |
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| _Doug | I prefer fluxbox .. :) | Sep 07 20:23 |
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| _Doug | less is more ... | Sep 07 20:23 |
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| _Doug | even Xfce .. I hide the menus at top and bottom, that way I have trhe whole screen for the app ... | Sep 07 20:23 |
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| _Doug | I don't want things moving about .. I mean your car controls don't movce about do they . .I thought the GUI was put through a usability lab ? | Sep 07 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: yes, that makes sense (unification of volume bars) | Sep 07 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | There are already volume controllers for each application in some of the latest distros that integrate Fedora goodness. | Sep 07 20:27 |
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| _Doug | Just the one volume control that don't move about .. is all I fricken's ask for .. that and sharks with lasers ... | Sep 07 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | You could put sharks at the centre of your Compiz cube. I'm sure someone can program some lasers for you. | Sep 07 20:28 |
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| _Doug | Ahh .. | Sep 07 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's call Atlantis. One of the least useful plugins ever. | Sep 07 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's all pretty good when friends come over and see the effects. My display is over a meter wide. | Sep 07 20:29 |
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| _Doug | meter wide, how ? | Sep 07 20:34 |
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| *benJIman wonders if schestowitz is going to comment on miguel's latest blog post. | Sep 07 20:35 |
| _Doug | benJIman: what do you think of Yoper ? | Sep 07 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | "The MS-LPL is a poisonous license, do not use it (do not confuse with the MS-PL which is a decent license, the extra "L" makes a big difference)." | Sep 07 20:36 |
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| benJIman | _Doug: Isn't it an abandoned project? | Sep 07 20:37 |
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| benJIman | schestowitz: MS-PL is OSI approved. | Sep 07 20:37 |
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| _Doug | Nope, there was a newish distro recently .. I msged a developer and got a reply .. seems to be active .. | Sep 07 20:38 |
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| _Doug | Dec 2007 .. is newish ... | Sep 07 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: OSI is not FSF-approved | Sep 07 20:38 |
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| _Doug | I mentioned it as it does what it says on the tin, small and fast .. | Sep 07 20:39 |
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| benJIman | _Doug: Last time I checked they did not have a x86_64 version either, and I have 8gb ram. | Sep 07 20:39 |
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| _Doug | It ran OK on an medium-spec machine, the same one I tried MAndriva, Ubuntu, OpenSuse on .. and a few others | Sep 07 20:39 |
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| benJIman | schestowitz: No, but does mean they grant a certain amount of freedoms. | Sep 07 20:40 |
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| benJIman | I think the MS-PL is actually freer than the GPL in some respects. | Sep 07 20:40 |
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| _Doug | benJIman: be nice .. :) | Sep 07 20:41 |
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| _Doug | first rule of Linux Advocacy: thou shalt not dis the GPL .. | Sep 07 20:41 |
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| benJIman | I was not doing so. | Sep 07 20:42 |
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| benJIman | MS-PL does not have many restrictions though http://www.opensource.org/license... | Sep 07 20:42 |
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| _Doug | No, you're just trolling BN ... | Sep 07 20:42 |
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| _Doug | explain how no-restrictions in the GPL gets translated into restrictions in MS-PL | Sep 07 20:43 |
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| benJIman | Err, what/ | Sep 07 20:43 |
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| _Doug | The GPL prevent YOU from restricting MY freedoms viz-a-viz the code, that is not more restrictive, but less !!! | Sep 07 20:43 |
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| _Doug | "benJIman: the MS-PL is actually freer than the GPL" OK .. explain ,, tell all .. | Sep 07 20:44 |
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| _Doug | I'm going fro a break, be back in five .. | Sep 07 20:44 |
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| benJIman | _Doug: Depends on your definitin of freer. It has fewer restrictions. | Sep 07 20:44 |
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| benJIman | But I do not disagree with your point. | Sep 07 20:45 |
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| PetoKraus | ha! success! | Sep 07 20:51 |
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| _Doug | benJIman: what's your definition of 'freer', and enumerate the 'restrictions' in the GPL | Sep 07 20:54 |
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| benJIman | brb | Sep 07 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: success? Proxy? | Sep 07 20:55 |
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| _Doug | The law in the UK, prevents me from beating my wife, unlike Iran for instance, does that make the UK more restrictive than Iraq ? | Sep 07 20:56 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: no, i finally installed those XP's on the external drive | Sep 07 20:56 |
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| PetoKraus | i won't be online much in next few days | Sep 07 20:56 |
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| PetoKraus | baldur's gate trilogy lies in front of me | Sep 07 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | Playing with XP? | Sep 07 20:56 |
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| PetoKraus | no, but BG doesn't work under wine well | Sep 07 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | RMS will cry. | Sep 07 20:57 |
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| _Doug | In Iran, it's enshrined in Sharia law | Sep 07 20:57 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: i am big FS supporter. But when it comes to cooperative gaming... | Sep 07 20:58 |
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| _Doug | re: miguel's latest blog post, what's that about ? | Sep 07 21:07 |
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| _Doug | "As a .NET developer, you should avoid using the newly released Managed Extensibility Framework " | Sep 07 21:07 |
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| _Doug | This ? | Sep 07 21:07 |
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| _Doug | Who produces MEF ? | Sep 07 21:09 |
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| _Doug | I see you answered this above .. pardon me ... | Sep 07 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: What about Quake Wars? | Sep 07 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | it's not Baldur's gate :P | Sep 07 21:14 |
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| _Doug | gtg .. so long benJIman ... | Sep 07 21:14 |
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