Comments on: Microsoft Pressures for WAMP While Novell Helps ‘Infect’ AMP http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-3/#comment-28691 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:03:11 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28691 I will expand on that later today. I will expand on that later today.

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-2/#comment-28690 AlexH Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:01:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28690 It's not about patents, yet you quote someone making the patent argument as support for your position? So, what exactly is the problem with Microsoft contributing code to Hadoop, then? It’s not about patents, yet you quote someone making the patent argument as support for your position?

So, what exactly is the problem with Microsoft contributing code to Hadoop, then?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-2/#comment-28688 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:00:19 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28688 It's not about patents. The patent part is separate from Apache because it refers to another layer of the stack. It’s not about patents. The patent part is separate from Apache because it refers to another layer of the stack.

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-2/#comment-28683 AlexH Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:38:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28683 @Roy: you don't think it's a problem that you're "informing" people with data which are factually incorrect though? I've already demonstrated why this "patent" FUD against Apache is ill-informed. @Roy: you don’t think it’s a problem that you’re “informing” people with data which are factually incorrect though?

I’ve already demonstrated why this “patent” FUD against Apache is ill-informed.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-2/#comment-28648 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:39:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28648 I disagree. How quickly we forget <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/microsoft-critique-resources/" rel="nofollow">a historical pattern</a>, do we? Don't have too much trust, especially given the subject. I disagree. How quickly we forget a historical pattern, do we? Don’t have too much trust, especially given the subject.

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-2/#comment-28644 AlexH Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:22:55 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28644 @Shane: agreed entirely. That's why I think it's important not to knock situations like this, where everyone can agree that it's a good idea. @Shane: agreed entirely.

That’s why I think it’s important not to knock situations like this, where everyone can agree that it’s a good idea.

]]> By: xISO_ZWT http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-1/#comment-28460 xISO_ZWT Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:46:51 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28460 The idea that microsoft will change for the better, is a waste of time. Anything ms does has to be looked at with a lot of suspicion. Anything it touches, it corrupts. You can take a sow and clean it up, but a sow will always return to the slough. You can't change what is totally corrupt and infected by wishing it not to be. The idea that microsoft will change for the better, is a waste of time. Anything ms does has to be looked at with a lot of suspicion. Anything it touches, it corrupts.

You can take a sow and clean it up, but a sow will always return to the slough. You can’t change what is totally corrupt and infected by wishing it not to be.

]]> By: Shane Coyle http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-1/#comment-28445 Shane Coyle Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:33:08 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28445 "They will grant a royalty-free perpetual license, and if anyone sues the project or user of the project they will terminate it." That's the right way to do it, which is why I hated so much their deal with Novell that grants some sort of protection to only Novell 'customers', and any contributions to opensuse.org that make it into SLE, since Novell has agreed to pay a royalty already. "They will grant a royalty-free perpetual license, and if anyone sues the project or user of the project they will terminate it."

That’s the right way to do it, which is why I hated so much their deal with Novell that grants some sort of protection to only Novell ‘customers’, and any contributions to opensuse.org that make it into SLE, since Novell has agreed to pay a royalty already.

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-1/#comment-28441 AlexH Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:44:11 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28441 Well, let's look at this rationally. He calls it "Apache/Hadoop/whatever code" - that's a bizarre nomenclature if ever I've seen it. It suggests he doesn't know what Microsoft are contributing to. He then says: <blockquote>Of course, there may be some “patented” technologies in there, but Microsoft will promise never, ever to sue anyone using this “optimised” open source – cross its heart and hope to die.</blockquote> Actually, they will do better than that. They will grant a royalty-free perpetual license, and if anyone sues the project or user of the project they will terminate it. The fact that Glyn doesn't know these things makes me think he's at best uninformed. Sowing fear of patents where there is nothing to be afraid of is classic FUD. Well, let’s look at this rationally.

He calls it “Apache/Hadoop/whatever code” – that’s a bizarre nomenclature if ever I’ve seen it. It suggests he doesn’t know what Microsoft are contributing to.

He then says:

Of course, there may be some “patented” technologies in there, but Microsoft will promise never, ever to sue anyone using this “optimised” open source – cross its heart and hope to die.

Actually, they will do better than that. They will grant a royalty-free perpetual license, and if anyone sues the project or user of the project they will terminate it.

The fact that Glyn doesn’t know these things makes me think he’s at best uninformed. Sowing fear of patents where there is nothing to be afraid of is classic FUD.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-1/#comment-28440 Roy Schestowitz Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:37:34 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28440 It is not FUDding, it's informing. According to this definition of yours, Glyn Moody FUDs Free software too. Does he? It is not FUDding, it’s informing. According to this definition of yours, Glyn Moody FUDs Free software too. Does he?

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/comment-page-1/#comment-28439 AlexH Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:33:23 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/pressures-for-wamp/#comment-28439 FUDding Apache, PHP and Novell all in one fell swoop. Amazing. FUDding Apache, PHP and Novell all in one fell swoop. Amazing.

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