10.21.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 20th, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:51 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

twitter	The M$ Toxic effect only works while M$ is strong. It will be better when the company fails and it’s ideas are repudiated.	Oct 20 18:02
twitter	Those who don’t retire will learn a new song and dance, one far less harmful to society at large.	Oct 20 18:02
schestowitz	Predictable but big news: Motorola Joins Google Android Craze < http://www.crn.com/retail/21120187… >	Oct 20 18:03
twitter	“Mixed source” is more of the same M$ has thrived on forever.	Oct 20 18:03
twitter	I’m getting sick of reading about M$ employees with “their heart in the right place.” Bruce Perens said this a few months back too. It’s wrong.	Oct 20 18:04
schestowitz	They lie.	Oct 20 18:04
schestowitz	The management is clearly planning to crush Free sofwtare.	Oct 20 18:05
schestowitz	They want to turn it into something else like mixes source… like Windows… with a ‘stolen’ BS TCP/IP stack.	Oct 20 18:05
trmanco	Has anybody seen the new mac ad?	Oct 20 18:05
schestowitz	*BSD, not BS	Oct 20 18:05
trmanco	it is funny	Oct 20 18:05
twitter	and outlaw everything else	Oct 20 18:05
trmanco	Automatic censorship of audio data for broadcast	Oct 20 18:05
trmanco	oop	Oct 20 18:05
trmanco	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MimCZikP8cY	Oct 20 18:05
twitter	going to look	Oct 20 18:06
twitter	why not?	Oct 20 18:06
schestowitz	Well, they exert a lot of control… over the govt	Oct 20 18:06
schestowitz	Don’t forget how they all warned the govy that FOSS is “communism”	Oct 20 18:06
trmanco	advertising, advertising, advertising, advertising … Windows Vista … advertising, advertising, advertising, advertising … Windows Vista	Oct 20 18:06
twitter	communism, terrorism all that	Oct 20 18:06
trmanco	oh	Oct 20 18:07
trmanco	it is “fix vista”	Oct 20 18:07
schestowitz	And a threat to America… Allchin, Ballmer and the group are no better than Bush and Cheney… and they are determined to destroy and exploit the IT industry for gains.	Oct 20 18:07
schestowitz	The key issue being the use of this power overseas too.. back door and all.	Oct 20 18:07
twitter	Makes spying easier.	Oct 20 18:08
twitter	There’s no way the rest of the world will go for it.	Oct 20 18:08
schestowitz	If they have enough insiders, they can.	Oct 20 18:09
schestowitz	Just watch how Sarko is controlled (bribed?) by Hollywood, its French equivalents and Microsoft.	Oct 20 18:09
twitter	M$ does not have enough money to buy that kind of influence everywhere. They are being bled white. When it’s all over, it’s over.	Oct 20 18:09
schestowitz	Politics is a global thing. Fortunately, Microsoft is losing influence, so that gives room for others to corrupt politics.	Oct 20 18:10
schestowitz	What’s needed is a more robust system. It was too ripe for abuse (still is) and the economy is finally collapsing as a result… people living based on inexistent wealth.	Oct 20 18:10
twitter	No, the wealth was real. It has simply been concentrated.	Oct 20 18:11
schestowitz	That Mac ad is brilliant.	Oct 20 18:11
twitter	The means of concentration were imaginary.	Oct 20 18:12
twitter	Mac ad is funny.	Oct 20 18:12
trmanco	lol	Oct 20 18:12
schestowitz	Let me find something.	Oct 20 18:12
trmanco	it certainly is	Oct 20 18:12
schestowitz	Here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkA9L2J2gY	Oct 20 18:12
schestowitz	He’s MAD.	Oct 20 18:13
schestowitz	Forget Windows, forget developers…. just brainwash.	Oct 20 18:13
trmanco	lol	Oct 20 18:14
trmanco	who invests on a company with that guy on the lead?	Oct 20 18:15
twitter	greedy fools	Oct 20 18:15
twitter	That was more than a year ago.	Oct 20 18:15
twitter	wow	Oct 20 18:15
twitter	art follows reality	Oct 20 18:15
schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/…	Oct 20 18:17
schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2…	Oct 20 18:17
schestowitz	“Toshiba and SanDisk announced Monday that their joint flash memory-manufacturing ventures are being restructured. As a result, Toshiba will gain a larger ownership stake, while SanDisk will reduce costs.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10069988-…	Oct 20 18:22
schestowitz	Nokia patent a**holes are porting Qt to that patents/DRM magnet called Symbian (Nokia Enriches Application Development With Qt for S60 ) < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/nokia… >	Oct 20 18:27
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schestowitz	Number of IT venture deals falls to 10-year low < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-1… >. Tim Bray: “Times are Tough · Yep, but this is still an interesting place to work. ¶” < http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/W… >	Oct 20 18:33
trmanco	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50DHHMBIJf8	Oct 20 18:42
trmanco	here is another hilarious video	Oct 20 18:42
schestowitz	The quality of Ziff/Gates posts is ‘improving’… http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1274	Oct 20 18:43
schestowitz	Just flames.	Oct 20 18:43
trmanco	the videos?	Oct 20 18:43
schestowitz	LOL	Oct 20 18:43
schestowitz	No, the post from the pseudonym.	Oct 20 18:43
trmanco	oh ok	Oct 20 18:44
twitter	the new PC Guy advertisement <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MimCZikP8cY>	Oct 20 18:47
twitter	it’s true <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkA9L2J2gY>	Oct 20 18:48
twitter	woops, wrong conversation.	Oct 20 18:48
schestowitz	Another good video in a new post: Krazy monkey video clip on page.	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	Recent:	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	Five reasons to fire Ballmer	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	,—-[ Quote ]	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| 1) The Vista Technology Flop. Technically, Vista was crap.	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\|	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| [...]	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\|	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| 2) The Vista Business Failure: Microsoft has managed to sell junk before but	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| this time it had set itself an impossible job.	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\|	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| [...]	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\|	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| 3) The Yahoo Fiasco: If Microsoft had pulled off the hostile takeover of	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| Yahoo…	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\|	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| [...]	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\|	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| 4) The Fall of Microsoft Office. Remember when Microsoft was talking up how	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| great the initial sales of Office 2007 were? A year later, in Microsoft’s	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| third quarter results, we see that Office’s operating income has dropped from	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| $3.4 billion, to $3.1 billion.	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\|	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| [...]	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\|	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| 5) Who doesn’t love you baby? The stock market that’s who. Today, Microsoft’s	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| stock is wobbling just over $28. The 52-week high was $37.50. What do you	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| think will happen to Microsoft’s stock when Bill officially retires? It won’t	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| be pretty.	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	`—-	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	http://blogs.computerworld.com/five_…	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	Does Ballmer Need To Go?	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	,—-[ Quote ]	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| Microsoft’s dramatic decision this weekend to withdraw its offer for Yahoo	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| and not pursue a hostile bid raises a whole host of questions. What happens	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| to Yahoo now? What happens to Microsoft? Or is this just a tactic to drive	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| down the price of Yahoo’s shares so that Microsoft can go hostile with a	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| lower offer? And if the deal really is dead, does Steve Ballmer need to start	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| looking for a new job?	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	`—-	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/04/does-ballm…	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	Hey! Ho! Time for Ballmer to Go?	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	,—-[ Quote ]	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| The investment community likes Steve Ballmer. He’s competent, aggressive and	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| occasionally crazy. He’s been at Microsoft’s helm for eight years, during	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| which time the technology landscape has drastically changed several times	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| over. And although Microsoft hasn’t always kept up, it has remained	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	\| ridiculously profitable.	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	`—-	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	http://blog.wired.com/business/2008…	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	Make the wrong choice on Yahoo, and Ballmer cou	Oct 20 18:49
twitter	Sad about Nokia. I like their phone hardware.	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	Oops.	Oct 20 18:49
schestowitz	http://www.junauza.com/2008/10/top-…	Oct 20 18:50
MinceR	microsoft needs to go, not ballmer	Oct 20 18:53
twitter	true, Ballmer has been true to M$’s core philosophy.	Oct 20 18:53
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twitter	he’s just not been as good at selling it	Oct 20 18:53
schestowitz	MinceR: only when Microsoft goes, so will the Don.	Oct 20 18:54
schestowitz	It’s the embodiment of merciless rule and destruction of surroundings by that son-of-a-banker.	Oct 20 18:54
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twitter	Windoze, preferred by banks 9 to 1.	Oct 20 18:59
schestowitz	More from the FUDsters at Black *uck Sofwtare: http://au.sys-con.com/node/715414 (founder is a Microsofter)	Oct 20 18:59
schestowitz	Banks: “you get what you pay for. Cheap is bad. Let’s all just live in debt and give ourselves insane bonuses.”	Oct 20 19:00
twitter	“Black Duck™ Protex” sounds like a condom.	Oct 20 19:02
twitter	reading the article, it looks intentional	Oct 20 19:02
twitter	“Protecting you while you rape free software”	Oct 20 19:03
twitter	Yep, FUD FUD FUD	Oct 20 19:04
schestowitz	They also ‘stole’ a database from Palamida.	Oct 20 19:10
schestowitz	Classic Microsoft behaviour (stealing things without attribution), only it was Doug Levin at the time (he quit the company since).	Oct 20 19:11
schestowitz	Recession? Naa.. assuming you don’t vend lock-in: Optaros Responds to Increasing Demand in United Kingdom, Announces London Office Success < http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/op… >	Oct 20 19:17
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schestowitz	zoobab: is this < http://finchannel.com/index.php?option=c… > rigged?	Oct 20 19:36
trmanco	http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/…	Oct 20 19:43
schestowitz	Yes, [H]omer wrote about it.	Oct 20 19:44
schestowitz	It’s the ‘funny buttons’ that make you feel like you’re in control.	Oct 20 19:44
schestowitz	I’m trying to find it < http://slated.org/vista_is_worlds… >… not this one..	Oct 20 19:46
twitter	Novell breaks $5 again on low volume trading. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NOVL	Oct 20 19:46
twitter	fools and money, soon parted.	Oct 20 19:47
schestowitz	I can’t find it.	Oct 20 19:47
twitter	wow, M$ granted themselves permission to share anything about you for whatever reason.	Oct 20 19:49
twitter	” “Microsoft may disclose personal information about you … to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees”	Oct 20 19:49
twitter	Job security is personal safety, no?	Oct 20 19:50
twitter	This goes for anyone’s system, including your ISP.	Oct 20 19:51
schestowitz	That’s one reason never to log into Windows.. not on any computer.	Oct 20 19:51
schestowitz	Just part of {surveillance society}^TM. Servers (Web) too are an issue and NoScirpt is NotEnough.	Oct 20 19:52
twitter	If your ISP is using Winblows to do it’s work, M$ has access to all of your records to “protect” itself from your criticism. There is nothing you can do to avoid this besides encrypting your email and using TOR.	Oct 20 19:57
twitter	Good luck getting your relatives to encrypt their email.	Oct 20 19:57
schestowitz	ISPs use Windows? Doubtful. Not many.	Oct 20 19:58
twitter	On their employee’s desktops, where the reports land? Probable.	Oct 20 19:59
twitter	That’s also the place where they flip the switches.	Oct 20 19:59
twitter	When the guy who runs my LUG group stops using a Winblows desktop and Slashdot is all GNU/Linux, I’ll start to think my ISP may not be owned by M$.	Oct 20 20:00
schestowitz	Check out [H]omer’s host name.	Oct 20 20:03
schestowitz	I ought to have made my private Wikis https, not just p/w protected.	Oct 20 20:04
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trmanco	http://www.crn.com/software/211201754	Oct 20 20:32
schestowitz	Paul Kill befriending Microsoft ‘Patent Terrorists’ (Sun term): http://www.itworld.com/open-source/5639… (I knew there was something about Krill)	Oct 20 20:33
schestowitz	They let Microsoft spew out more FUD	Oct 20 20:33
twitter	FUD or damage control? Looking	Oct 20 20:35
trmanco	http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/10/20/microso…	Oct 20 20:37
twitter	Damage control, aimed squarely at BN, ” it is hard to envision that an agreement in which two industry leaders agree to set their differences aside and collaborate could be viewed as divisive,”	Oct 20 20:37
twitter	Novell, an industry leader, LOL.	Oct 20 20:38
schestowitz	twitter: I haven’t read it yet.	Oct 20 20:38
twitter	There’s lots more, I’m on it.	Oct 20 20:38
schestowitz	Either way, they expose the Microsoft FUD by giving it a place and room. It’s IDG (IDC), which is funded by Microsoft but not only Microsoft of course.	Oct 20 20:39
schestowitz	And Paul Krill, as I last stressed about 1 week ago, has been greased up by the Monopolist of Redmond.	Oct 20 20:39
schestowitz	Worth finding out if he visited them or something, not that I have a particular reason to believe this.	Oct 20 20:39
schestowitz	Novell, an industry follower (in Mono, OOXML), by CHOICE.	Oct 20 20:40
schestowitz	Thanks, twitter. Pick out the good bits.	Oct 20 20:40
twitter	He’s printing Gutierrez’s opinion, but yeah it’s a shame he’s acting like a press release rather than a journalist.	Oct 20 20:40
schestowitz	If he asks no hard question, then he totally just gives the podium.	Oct 20 20:41
twitter	Podium of odium.	Oct 20 20:41
schestowitz	Kind of like Zemlin and Hovsepian.. and their MP3 puppet show (I think there was no Ogg)	Oct 20 20:41
schestowitz	Krill must ask him /hard/ question.	Oct 20 20:41
schestowitz	From Ina Friedshill at CNET you’d epxect nothing better.	Oct 20 20:42
schestowitz	S/he just sccks up to Microsoft for “access” (that what May Jo Foley calls it) to Ballmer	Oct 20 20:42
twitter	He flips around a Perens concept to claim all commercial companies must be non free companies. Trying to paint people who value freedom as extremists	Oct 20 20:43
schestowitz	Those who criticise Microsoft (Microsoft keeps dossiers, remember?) are being published by Microsoft, its mediators (press/advertising companies) and “buddies” that Microsoft assigns to them.	Oct 20 20:43
twitter	“The truth is that today we’re all mixed source companies. Every company that traditionally comes from an open source background has over time moved to the middle after realizing that in addition to the open source foundation, they also need proprietary offerings that will differentiate their services from others and therefore will enable them to build a viable business.”	Oct 20 20:43
twitter	truth?	Oct 20 20:43
schestowitz	It’s a scary PR world that Microsoft surrounds itself by… including all the shilling it always does _THROUGH_ agencies… and articles it plants.	Oct 20 20:44
schestowitz	No	Oct 20 20:44
twitter	The Red Hat JBoss troll is used.	Oct 20 20:44
schestowitz	It’s part of the “proprietary is inevttable” [pitch	Oct 20 20:44
schestowitz	"There is no better choice..." etc. same strategy as Windows.... "don't look elsewhere ... all software is bad, insecure... Macs sucks... Linux is all command-like and commie...etc."	Oct 20 20:45
schestowitz	Which troll?	Oct 20 20:45
schestowitz	Marc Fluery is too friendly with Microsoft.	Oct 20 20:46
twitter	It's a lie to say that JBoss makes Red Hat a non free software company like M$.	Oct 20 20:46
schestowitz	I tried to show him smoking guns, but he's just back to his XBox and other stupid money games. He's helpless.	Oct 20 20:46
schestowitz	twitter: anything to say "they are equally evil.	Oct 20 20:46
schestowitz	"Apple is evil..." "Google is monopolistic"...	Oct 20 20:47
twitter	to his credit, Krill tries to get M$ to specify any single patent. Asks three times or so.	Oct 20 20:47
schestowitz	"Red Hat is proprietary"	Oct 20 20:47
schestowitz	Remember: the felon tries to describe the surroundings as "equally evil" or "equally corrupt"	Oct 20 20:47
schestowitz	Ask people who evade tax and they'll say "everyone's doing it"	Oct 20 20:47
twitter	Asked which patents M$ will enfoce and against who he says, " no, those conversations are business conversations that we tend not to divulge."	Oct 20 20:47
twitter	Empty Hand	Oct 20 20:48
twitter	Krill asked three times. ha ha.	Oct 20 20:48
schestowitz	Translation: bulldogs will be bulldogs... and talk bulsh*t	Oct 20 20:48
twitter	yeah, this article is all about damage control. more RAND bullshit and talk about what a great business M$ is doing selling licenses for patents.	Oct 20 20:50
twitter	If giving companies hundreds of millions of dollars to say, "I agree" is a good business.	Oct 20 20:50
schestowitz	They corrupt politicians.	Oct 20 20:51
twitter	there's some non committal talk about joining the Eclipse foundation.	Oct 20 20:51
schestowitz	In the EU, they have the BSA proxy running around trying to shove the RAND stuff down the law's throat.	Oct 20 20:52
schestowitz	To me, what Microsoft does it felony.	Oct 20 20:52
schestowitz	They decide on new rules and then use legalised bribery (AKA lobbying) to make it so.	Oct 20 20:52
twitter	I think it's funny they pretend the Novell deal was anything but a big fat bribe or buy out. He's saying it's RAND and good business.	Oct 20 20:52
schestowitz	Law must not be bought. It leads to total suppression.	Oct 20 20:52
schestowitz	These people like and spin.	Oct 20 20:53
schestowitz	They know very well what they do.	Oct 20 20:53
schestowitz	It's like with Novell and "it's not a patent deal" chorus. It's a lies and they knew it.	Oct 20 20:53
schestowitz	It's almost as though, at least at the time, Novell pases a memo saying that nobody is allowed to talk about the patents as purpose of the deal.	Oct 20 20:53
schestowitz	And Ian Bruce blew it about 6 weeks ago (he's new in the job) when he said the truth that's treason at Novell.	Oct 20 20:54
twitter	Krill asked about GPL but dropped the ball accepting an Open Source answer for future M$ works.	Oct 20 20:55
schestowitz	Gavin Clarke is doing the MS boostijng routine... again! sigh http://www.theregister.co.u...	Oct 20 20:55
twitter	More of the same, "M$ is more open now"	Oct 20 20:55
schestowitz	"Google Netherlands has agreed to hand over the IP addresses of a Gmail user in an alleged spy case." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/20/d...	Oct 20 20:55
schestowitz	Govts love the CLOUD.	Oct 20 20:56
schestowitz	"Gmail user in an alleged spy case" As RMS wrote this morning, "terrorist" these days sometimes just means "dissident".	Oct 20 20:56
twitter	Gutierrez repeats some of the usual Novell growth lie.	Oct 20 20:57
twitter	"[Novell] grew over 38 percent between 2006 and 2007 in the Linux market. They were the commercial vendor that grew the fastest in that segment.”	Oct 20 20:57
schestowitz	Perens: “ I think mostly they’d like to dilute “Open Source” to mean any code with source code. This is important to them because it’s the rights connected to Open Source that scare Microsoft (and others). If you can call it Open Source when there isn’t even the right to compile the code, or to use the information you get from reading it, customers don’t have a reason to ask for it any longer.”	Oct 20 20:57
schestowitz	“Their publicity agencies are here on Slashdot pumping that angle every day. ” http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=985543…	Oct 20 20:57
schestowitz	Bull(	Oct 20 20:58
schestowitz	Novell is shrinking.	Oct 20 20:58
schestowitz	Only SUSE, which accounts for less than 10% of its biz, grew a bit.	Oct 20 20:58
schestowitz	Overall, Novell is living off the funneling of money from Microsoft, which then tried to use it as an IPR role model	Oct 20 20:59
twitter	Red Hat grew more.	Oct 20 20:59
schestowitz	Look what happened to Linspire — it’s dead.	Oct 20 20:59
twitter	They repeat the Silverlight and mono lies, say it’s M$ technology on Linux.	Oct 20 20:59
schestowitz	Xandros? One-trick pony (ASUS only uses a derivative and probably pays them nothing)	Oct 20 20:59
schestowitz	Red Hat’s absolute numbers are vastly higher than Novell’s	Oct 20 21:00
schestowitz	It’s not about %	Oct 20 21:00
schestowitz	Hours ago (Matt Asay): “This is the same Microsoft that aggressively went after Red Hat in 2006 through a patent agreement with Novell, and subsequently dumped over $350 million into Novell in 2007 to fuel its attempt to kill Red Hat.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10070444-16.html	Oct 20 21:01
twitter	Red Hat has both better market share and growth, from what I’ve read. Novell says exactly the opposite, but is probably lying.	Oct 20 21:01
schestowitz	Novell is a marketing a$$	Oct 20 21:01
schestowitz	But that has always been the case	Oct 20 21:01
schestowitz	They are vain. http://boycottnovell.com/2006…	Oct 20 21:01
twitter	Gutierrez acts like there is already OOXML/ODF “interoperabillity”	Oct 20 21:02
schestowitz	There’s none	Oct 20 21:02
schestowitz	Nobody implements OOXML, either.	Oct 20 21:02
schestowitz	No-one ever will.	Oct 20 21:02
schestowitz	The whole thing there is a big lie, which is why the MS/Novell deal is in many ways like the SCO saga	Oct 20 21:03
schestowitz	I can foresee this mess going on for years to come… Microsoft clinging onto Novell as just a vassal to cause harm to FOSS>	Oct 20 21:03
schestowitz	And people like cj , Miguel, AlexH and so on will assist Microsoft.	Oct 20 21:03
twitter	The interview drifts off into the seemingly unrelated subject of piracy.	Oct 20 21:03
schestowitz	Steinman got promoted at Novell. There’s ‘Microsoftification’ at Novell, which otherwise is becoming a fossil.	Oct 20 21:04
twitter	G. Associates “piracy” with organized crime and says we need moar better laws.	Oct 20 21:04
schestowitz	Piracy	Oct 20 21:04
schestowitz	?	Oct 20 21:04
schestowitz	I thought that was dead, except for in some areas in Africa.	Oct 20 21:04
schestowitz	Maybe around China you still have some boats looted, but still…	Oct 20 21:05
twitter	He’s looking for more laws to fuck free software	Oct 20 21:05
schestowitz	If Microsoft plans to stop piracy, it needs to invest in more canon and TNT R&D.	Oct 20 21:05
twitter	M$ needs government protection alright.	Oct 20 21:05
schestowitz	twitter: of course. They also interfere with national procurement policies.	Oct 20 21:06
schestowitz	Here in the UK they break competition rule AFAIK, by using MoUs.	Oct 20 21:06
schestowitz	The only pirate (raping theiving person) is Microsoft.	Oct 20 21:06
schestowitz	Ask distinguished people like Giddal who were looted.	Oct 20 21:06
trmanco	http://article.gmane.org/gmane.la…	Oct 20 21:06
schestowitz	Gary Kildall: “He [Bill Gates] is divisive. He is manipulative. He is a user. He has taken much from me and the industry.”	Oct 20 21:07
twitter	Overall, there’s nothing new in the Krill article. It’s damage control and a repeat of past lies all in one place.	Oct 20 21:07
schestowitz	*spelling issue noted	Oct 20 21:07
schestowitz	Thanks, trmanco	Oct 20 21:07
schestowitz	I am adding this to the list and will post them later.	Oct 20 21:07
trmanco	np	Oct 20 21:07
twitter	Krill is a willing participant in this lie.	Oct 20 21:07
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 20 21:08
schestowitz	There should be a media embargo on companies that slander others.	Oct 20 21:08
neighborlee	honeslty I think we should bring up fedora more often as a ‘leader’ in combating entrusion of FOSS by patents,,and not only boyottnovell, but ubuntu as well since they are fostering mono’s endorsement	Oct 20 21:08
schestowitz	Microsoft can be fined for slander based on German law, I think.	Oct 20 21:08
schestowitz	SCO was fined.	Oct 20 21:08
schestowitz	neighborlee: yes.	Oct 20 21:09
schestowitz	I thought about doing an open letter with copies sent to Mark and Paul F.	Oct 20 21:09
neighborlee	kewl	Oct 20 21:09
schestowitz	But I’m waiting to hear from Microsoft.	Oct 20 21:09
schestowitz	I suppose you saw our E-mails to them.	Oct 20 21:09
neighborlee	nope	Oct 20 21:09
neighborlee	been busy lately ;0-	Oct 20 21:09
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/18/repl… (context in links)	Oct 20 21:10
neighborlee	)	Oct 20 21:12
schestowitz	I look forward to filing compalints.	Oct 20 21:13
schestowitz	*typo	Oct 20 21:13
neighborlee	indeed	Oct 20 21:13
schestowitz	Search engines are crawling BN very heavily these days… like 1GB per day.	Oct 20 21:21
twitter	block M$’s engine.	Oct 20 21:24
twitter	they will manipulate the results anyway	Oct 20 21:24
twitter	What my wife thinks of Steve Ballmer’s, “Advertisers x3!” – “ballmer looks like a hyperactive hot dog, like of you take a weenie and throw it around the kitchen”	Oct 20 21:26
schestowitz	twitter: it’s Yahoo that Sluprs(TM) the most.	Oct 20 21:27
schestowitz	More than Google and MSN combined.	Oct 20 21:27
schestowitz	He’s barking like a chiwawa dog. Show it the shoe and off it runs.. away.	Oct 20 21:28
schestowitz	We used to have XML site maps to manage crawling, but after about a year and a half the host enabled MEMLIMIT, so it didn’t scale anymore… so no more site maps at all… not anymore.	Oct 20 21:32
*trmanco has quit (“I just hit the close button ”)		Oct 20 21:47
MinceR	gn	Oct 20 22:00
schestowitz	gn	Oct 20 22:01
PetoKraus	oh man	Oct 20 23:26
PetoKraus	i got so cross	Oct 20 23:27
PetoKraus	this “This Is Not an Invitation To Rape Me” campaign is so stupid	Oct 20 23:27
PetoKraus	it’s like saying “Coca-Cola is sold in red bottles.”	Oct 20 23:27
schestowitz	Where?	Oct 20 23:27
PetoKraus	http://www.thisisnotaninvitationtorapeme.co.uk/	Oct 20 23:28
PetoKraus	it’s the most stupid advertisign campaign since Seinfield & Gates	Oct 20 23:29
PetoKraus	they made couple of photos and sticked this “motto” on them	Oct 20 23:30
PetoKraus	wanting to create “controversy” and “discussion” about something, where should be no discussion at all	Oct 20 23:30
PetoKraus	rapists should be shot. period.	Oct 20 23:30
PetoKraus	i guess this motto would be much more striking. I guess I’ll suggest it.	Oct 20 23:31
schestowitz	I can’t get whois for it.	Oct 20 23:32
schestowitz	Domain name:	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	thisisnotaninvitationtorapeme.co.uk	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz		Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Registrant:	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Eileen Maitland	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz		Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Registrant type:	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	UK Registered Charity	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz		Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Registrant’s address:	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Tara House, 46 Bath Street	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Glasgow	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Strathclyde	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	G2 1HG	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	GB	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz		Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Registrar:	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	GX Networks Ltd t/a 123-Reg.co.uk [Tag = 123-REG]	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	URL: http://www.123-reg.co.uk	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz		Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Relevant dates:	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Registered on: 04-Jun-2007	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Renewal date: 04-Jun-2009	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz		Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Registration status:	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Registered until renewal date.	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz		Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	Name servers:	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	ns.123-reg.co.uk	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	ns2.123-reg.co.uk	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz		Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	WHOIS lookup made at 00:39:08 21-Oct-2008	Oct 20 23:33
schestowitz	===============	Oct 20 23:34
schestowitz	I love the part about “Registered Charity”	Oct 20 23:34
PetoKraus	alright	Oct 20 23:34
PetoKraus	i’ll send her a mail	Oct 20 23:34
schestowitz	How did you find it?	Oct 20 23:34
PetoKraus	well, i found it in our student union	Oct 20 23:35
PetoKraus	as a article in news	Oct 20 23:35
PetoKraus	like a “grand idea”	Oct 20 23:35
PetoKraus	well, obviously, stating obvious things is REALLY gonna HELP	Oct 20 23:35
PetoKraus	and then friend joins the group	Oct 20 23:35
schestowitz	Maybe it’s like when “bad” means “good”	Oct 20 23:35
PetoKraus	and I see all this people talking “rape is bad rape is bad”	Oct 20 23:35
schestowitz	Or when rape means “make love”	Oct 20 23:36
PetoKraus	and i am like, alright, we KNOW that rape is bad, the problem is, THEY DONT	Oct 20 23:36
schestowitz	Or “grill” means “face”	Oct 20 23:36
schestowitz	And hacker means “bad guy”	Oct 20 23:36
PetoKraus	so, my inner troll needed food.	Oct 20 23:36
schestowitz	And “bad guy” means “cool guy”	Oct 20 23:36
PetoKraus		Oct 20 23:36
schestowitz	And “sabotage” is a “Coll Thing”^TM	Oct 20 23:36
PetoKraus	wait wait	Oct 20 23:36
PetoKraus	terrorism	Oct 20 23:37
PetoKraus	(TM)	Oct 20 23:37
schestowitz	Ah, that … not so much…	Oct 20 23:37
schestowitz	You can’t joke about terrorism.	Oct 20 23:37
schestowitz	Say the T word in the airport and you’ll be thrown into Security Theatre.	Oct 20 23:37
PetoKraus	it’s like “you can’t say politically incorrect things”	Oct 20 23:37
schestowitz	They might even steal your toothpaste.	Oct 20 23:38
PetoKraus	yes. I watched fight club yesterday	Oct 20 23:38
schestowitz	Explosive toothpaste, of course.	Oct 20 23:38
PetoKraus	like, 24 hours ago, exactly	Oct 20 23:38
schestowitz	I saw it was I was 18	Oct 20 23:38
schestowitz	Weird one.	Oct 20 23:38
PetoKraus	yes. Though I pirated craploads of data last month. My address is… well, you probably already know, RIAA.	Oct 20 23:39
schestowitz	There’s goof legit stuff out there.	Oct 20 23:40
schestowitz	*good	Oct 20 23:40
PetoKraus	hehe	Oct 20 23:40
schestowitz	In fact, it’s more gratifying to artists who make their stuff available.	Oct 20 23:40
schestowitz	Think about it.	Oct 20 23:40
schestowitz	Artists want exposure.	Oct 20 23:40
schestowitz	Labels want $$. They don’t give a drek about art.	Oct 20 23:40
PetoKraus	oh man: http://www.xkcd.com/490/ this fits so much	Oct 20 23:41
PetoKraus	i guess to prove my point, i am just gonna use that phrase everywhere	Oct 20 23:43
PetoKraus	you know, it’s not an invitation to a rape, so, fuck it! ™	Oct 20 23:43
schestowitz	Laptops in bed?	Oct 20 23:44
schestowitz	Sainsbury’s=surveillance.	Oct 20 23:47
schestowitz	I’m doing some shopping ATM and apart from the price hikes I can see items I bought at the local shops showing up in the online shop as part of ‘customisation’. The only way to have privacy is to withdraw cash and buy staff ‘anonymously’.This surveillance is sold to customers as a ‘feature’ and then resold to marketing firms.	Oct 20 23:50
schestowitz	It’s like in the Truman show (the film). Suddenly your bank knows what brand of cereal you like and travel agents know your bank balance, so they can jack up the prices provided you can pay for it.	Oct 20 23:51
PetoKraus	alright, i need to take few hours nap	Oct 20 23:57