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	<title>Comments on: Novell&#8217;s Michael Meeks Gets Software Patent from the UK</title>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-3/#comment-29591</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope it is easier than I fear to get rid of software patents (and possibly patents in other fields as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope it is easier than I fear to get rid of software patents (and possibly patents in other fields as well).</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-3/#comment-29579</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad that we agree on something, except for the earlier part (about embracing more patents rather than actually developing software).

I believe we are at a crossroad now, particularly  amid the economic collapse. The patent system too is almost imploding and patent literature online is clearly worried. To push the system over the cliff at these fragile times should not be as hard as you imagine. Just watch how EPO _STAFF_ took it to the streets against their own employers, accusing them -- essentially -- of corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that we agree on something, except for the earlier part (about embracing more patents rather than actually developing software).</p>
<p>I believe we are at a crossroad now, particularly  amid the economic collapse. The patent system too is almost imploding and patent literature online is clearly worried. To push the system over the cliff at these fragile times should not be as hard as you imagine. Just watch how EPO _STAFF_ took it to the streets against their own employers, accusing them &#8212; essentially &#8212; of corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-3/#comment-29578</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s going to take more than just Novell to fight the patent system, hence why I&#039;d also encourage Red Hat and other FLOSS companies to file for as many patents as they can.

Another advantage of doing that is that they can more easily protect themselves and/or FLOSS itself from patent (or other) attacks from proprietary software companies. Granted, this will not help defend against patent troll companies, but it&#039;s still a lot better than nothing.

Patent trolls are also not the most dangerous sources of patent attacks, they usually only demand a small amount of cash (well, small for a company to pay) - the idea is that they want an out-of-court settlement because they know that if it goes to court, they stand a good chance of losing. By demanding less than what it&#039;d cost a company to defend themselves in a court battle, they hope that their target will simply pay it. &quot;Easy money&quot;.

Patent trolls are the most annoying, but they are unlikely to ever be able destroy any company.

(I do agree with you, though, that patent trolling should be illegal and are a clear indication that the current patent system is broken).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s going to take more than just Novell to fight the patent system, hence why I&#8217;d also encourage Red Hat and other FLOSS companies to file for as many patents as they can.</p>
<p>Another advantage of doing that is that they can more easily protect themselves and/or FLOSS itself from patent (or other) attacks from proprietary software companies. Granted, this will not help defend against patent troll companies, but it&#8217;s still a lot better than nothing.</p>
<p>Patent trolls are also not the most dangerous sources of patent attacks, they usually only demand a small amount of cash (well, small for a company to pay) &#8211; the idea is that they want an out-of-court settlement because they know that if it goes to court, they stand a good chance of losing. By demanding less than what it&#8217;d cost a company to defend themselves in a court battle, they hope that their target will simply pay it. &#8220;Easy money&#8221;.</p>
<p>Patent trolls are the most annoying, but they are unlikely to ever be able destroy any company.</p>
<p>(I do agree with you, though, that patent trolling should be illegal and are a clear indication that the current patent system is broken).</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-3/#comment-29577</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft is said to have about 10,000 USPTO-stamped pieces of paper. Should Novell try to match this and then “argue from a position of power?”

Don&#039;t fight fire with fire. Or fight a bonfire with a matchstick.. and a teaspoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft is said to have about 10,000 USPTO-stamped pieces of paper. Should Novell try to match this and then “argue from a position of power?”</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fight fire with fire. Or fight a bonfire with a matchstick.. and a teaspoon.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-3/#comment-29576</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s not. It&#039;s called &quot;arguing from a position of power&quot; and it is one of the most effective means of arguing for something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s called &#8220;arguing from a position of power&#8221; and it is one of the most effective means of arguing for something.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-2/#comment-29574</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really subscribe to this position. It&#039;s like saying you are &quot;just a little pregnant&quot; and want an abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really subscribe to this position. It&#8217;s like saying you are &#8220;just a little pregnant&#8221; and want an abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-2/#comment-29566</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, having patents helps when fighting against them. If you have no patents and complain about patents, it sounds like you are just a whiner. But if you have lots of patents and are sitting in a position of being able to nuke people off the face of the earth with your patent arsenal, and then lobby against patents - you are taken a lot more seriously because you actually have something to lose by getting rid of patents. If you have nothing to lose by getting rid of patents, but everything to gain - it just seems like you are fighting patents because you are in a position of weakness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, having patents helps when fighting against them. If you have no patents and complain about patents, it sounds like you are just a whiner. But if you have lots of patents and are sitting in a position of being able to nuke people off the face of the earth with your patent arsenal, and then lobby against patents &#8211; you are taken a lot more seriously because you actually have something to lose by getting rid of patents. If you have nothing to lose by getting rid of patents, but everything to gain &#8211; it just seems like you are fighting patents because you are in a position of weakness.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-2/#comment-29560</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t fight software patents by obtaining some. It&#039;s nice to know he used to lobby against them though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t fight software patents by obtaining some. It&#8217;s nice to know he used to lobby against them though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-2/#comment-29554</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to link to Michael Meeks&#039; blog earlier: http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2008-10-22.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to link to Michael Meeks&#8217; blog earlier: <a href="http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2008-10-22.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2008-10-22.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-2/#comment-29552</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow, it’s been a while since anyone has tried to paint Novell as the party of advantage in their MS deal. My question is, if Novell’s patent portfolio is so great, how come there is no ongoing royalty from MS to Novell, as their certainly is on open source software shipped under the agreement by Novell?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This quote just shows Shane&#039;s ignorance. The massive quantities of money going from Microsoft to Novell is precisely &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; Microsoft is paying royalties to Novell. This fact is well documented for those willing to research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wow, it’s been a while since anyone has tried to paint Novell as the party of advantage in their MS deal. My question is, if Novell’s patent portfolio is so great, how come there is no ongoing royalty from MS to Novell, as their certainly is on open source software shipped under the agreement by Novell?</p></blockquote>
<p>This quote just shows Shane&#8217;s ignorance. The massive quantities of money going from Microsoft to Novell is precisely <i>because</i> Microsoft is paying royalties to Novell. This fact is well documented for those willing to research.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-29549</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you actually read his blog, he notes:

1. it won&#039;t be used for anything other than defensive purposes
2. he actively combats software patents

Obtaining patents is not a sign that he is pro-Software Patents, it is simply a smart thing to do.

Better that a responsible Free Software developer like Michael Meeks apply for the patent than someone who would be likely to use it for offensive purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you actually read his blog, he notes:</p>
<p>1. it won&#8217;t be used for anything other than defensive purposes<br />
2. he actively combats software patents</p>
<p>Obtaining patents is not a sign that he is pro-Software Patents, it is simply a smart thing to do.</p>
<p>Better that a responsible Free Software developer like Michael Meeks apply for the patent than someone who would be likely to use it for offensive purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-29513</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about omitting the name (I omitted it the last time), but that would not lead into the discussion about OOo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about omitting the name (I omitted it the last time), but that would not lead into the discussion about OOo.</p>
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		<title>By: colin</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-29511</link>
		<dc:creator>colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and this doesn&#039;t make it OK to single out a hard-working individual developer and try to spill dirt on his good name in your filthy blog!

Bah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and this doesn&#8217;t make it OK to single out a hard-working individual developer and try to spill dirt on his good name in your filthy blog!</p>
<p>Bah.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-29509</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m aware of this. This does not make it OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m aware of this. This does not make it OK.</p>
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		<title>By: OO</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/10/22/michael-meeks-novl-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-29508</link>
		<dc:creator>OO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All big software companies have software patent portfolios, not just Novell. Red Hat has several software patents and also has pending applications. For instance, Red Hat has this patent on atomic file look-ups: http://www.google.com/patents?id=wfAVAAAAEBAJ and this one on debugger tracepoints: http://www.google.com/patents?id=1osSAAAAEBAJ Novell and Red Hat have also both given some patents to the Open Invention Network so that those patents can be used to defend Linux from patent litigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All big software companies have software patent portfolios, not just Novell. Red Hat has several software patents and also has pending applications. For instance, Red Hat has this patent on atomic file look-ups: <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=wfAVAAAAEBAJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents?id=wfAVAAAAEBAJ</a> and this one on debugger tracepoints: <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=1osSAAAAEBAJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents?id=1osSAAAAEBAJ</a> Novell and Red Hat have also both given some patents to the Open Invention Network so that those patents can be used to defend Linux from patent litigation.</p>
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