Comments on: Silver Lie is Still an Open-Source Lie http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-3/#comment-32352 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:53:26 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-32352 There have been some speculations about the choice of licences before. There's also this comment we received hours ago (I don't believe it's true): "<em>I just heard that Novell is designing the OS for Windows 7. I live in Provo Utah and heard it from an insider that Novell is designing it w/ a flavor of Linux. I guess that M$ even admits that NT is loaded w/ security and stability issues.</em>" http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/01/novl-pressures-scox/#comment-32336 There have been some speculations about the choice of licences before. There’s also this comment we received hours ago (I don’t believe it’s true):

“I just heard that Novell is designing the OS for Windows 7. I live in Provo Utah and heard it from an insider that Novell is designing it w/ a flavor of Linux. I guess that M$ even admits that NT is loaded w/ security and stability issues.”

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/01/novl-pressures-scox/#comment-32336

]]> By: vincent http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-3/#comment-32351 vincent Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:48:19 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-32351 I thought that the runtime libraries of Mono were under the GNU LGPL 2.0 or later. I thought that the runtime libraries of Mono were under the GNU LGPL 2.0 or later.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-3/#comment-32348 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:35:30 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-32348 Moonlight requires Mono. http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing <blockquote cite="http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing"> What license or licenses are you using for the Mono Project? We use three open source licenses: * The C# compiler is dual-licensed under the MIT/X11 license and the GNU General Public License (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.html) (GPL). * The tools are released under the terms of the GNU General Public License (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.html) (GPL). * The runtime libraries are under the GNU Library GPL 2.0 (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/library.html#TOC1) (LGPL 2.0). * The class libraries are released under the terms of the MIT X11 (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.html) license. </blockquote> You can find <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/28/miguel-de-icaza-vs-gpl/' rel="nofollow">past discussions</a> of this. Moonlight requires Mono.

http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing

What license or licenses are you using for the Mono Project?

We use three open source licenses:

* The C# compiler is dual-licensed under the MIT/X11 license and the GNU General Public License (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.html) (GPL).

* The tools are released under the terms of the GNU General Public License (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.html) (GPL).

* The runtime libraries are under the GNU Library GPL 2.0 (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/library.html#TOC1) (LGPL 2.0).

* The class libraries are released under the terms of the MIT X11 (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.html) license.

You can find past discussions of this.

]]> By: vincent http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-3/#comment-32346 vincent Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:22:32 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-32346 Why the Moonlight's license is the GNU LGPL v2 and not the GNU LGPL v3 ? Because of Mono's patents ? Why the Moonlight’s license is the GNU LGPL v2 and not the GNU LGPL v3 ?

Because of Mono’s patents ?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-3/#comment-32183 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:58:29 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-32183 You must be proud of your idol. You must be proud of your idol.

]]> By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-2/#comment-32176 Dan O'Brian Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:32:21 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-32176 I should add that rumors are that Miguel's talk was so widely attended that it overflowed into a third room, which no other presentation at the conference did. I should add that rumors are that Miguel’s talk was so widely attended that it overflowed into a third room, which no other presentation at the conference did.

]]> By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-2/#comment-32174 Dan O'Brian Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:25:44 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-32174 You can grab the wmv and convert it to ogg and then watch it ;-) <a href="http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/pdc08/WMV-HQ/PC54.wmv" rel="nofollow">http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/pdc08/WMV-HQ/PC54.wmv</a> Apparently there's a lot of interest in Mono from the gaming industry and so Mono has now gained SIMD support (which neither Java nor Microsoft's .NET have) because some gaming studios are starting to write their console/pc games fully in C#. Very interesting stuff. Apparently Microsoft liked Miguel's C# shell so much that they've decided to implement it in .NET for .NET 5.0 due out in 2012. So I guess you could say Microsoft is now playing catch-up to Mono ;-) You can grab the wmv and convert it to ogg and then watch it ;-)

http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/pdc08/WMV-HQ/PC54.wmv

Apparently there’s a lot of interest in Mono from the gaming industry and so Mono has now gained SIMD support (which neither Java nor Microsoft’s .NET have) because some gaming studios are starting to write their console/pc games fully in C#.

Very interesting stuff. Apparently Microsoft liked Miguel’s C# shell so much that they’ve decided to implement it in .NET for .NET 5.0 due out in 2012.

So I guess you could say Microsoft is now playing catch-up to Mono ;-)

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-2/#comment-32155 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:50:57 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-32155 Here are <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/category/mono/" rel="nofollow">some recent posts on the subject</a>. Here are some recent posts on the subject.

]]> By: vincent http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-2/#comment-32150 vincent Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:41:25 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-32150 Miguel de Icaza's blog : http://tirania.org/blog/ What is your opinions on Mono Mr. Schestowitz ? Miguel de Icaza’s blog : http://tirania.org/blog/

What is your opinions on Mono Mr. Schestowitz ?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-2/#comment-31873 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:56:31 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-31873 I'd love to watch it, but it requires Mono. Microsoft still ignores my requests for a Mono patent licence and I shall soon start contacting Microsoft employees personally. I’d love to watch it, but it requires Mono. Microsoft still ignores my requests for a Mono patent licence and I shall soon start contacting Microsoft employees personally.

]]> By: vincent http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-1/#comment-31862 vincent Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:19:38 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-31862 Miguel de Icaza presents the Mono project : http://channel9.msdn.com/pdc2008/PC54/ He presented the tool Unity3D which allow multiplateform games. Miguel de Icaza presents the Mono project : http://channel9.msdn.com/pdc2008/PC54/

He presented the tool Unity3D which allow multiplateform games.

]]> By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-1/#comment-31690 Dan O'Brian Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:59:13 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-31690 Actually, Moonlight <i>is</i> Silverlight. It is the official Silverlight implementation for Linux, as stated by Microsoft. Actually, Moonlight is Silverlight. It is the official Silverlight implementation for Linux, as stated by Microsoft.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-1/#comment-31678 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:34:15 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-31678 Moonlight, however, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/23/silverlight-not-for-linux/" rel="nofollow">is not Silverlight</a> Moonlight, however, is not Silverlight

]]> By: freewill http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-1/#comment-31677 freewill Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:13:56 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-31677 Of course Moonlight is open-source! Of course Moonlight is open-source!

]]> By: bob http://techrights.org/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/comment-page-1/#comment-31670 bob Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:02:08 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/31/more-microsoft-abuse-of-the-open-source-term/#comment-31670 I thought that Mono Moonlight binary and source code is licensed under the Lesser GNU General Public License version 2. Does this mean Moonlight is not open source? I thought that Mono Moonlight binary and source code is licensed under the Lesser GNU General Public License version 2. Does this mean Moonlight is not open source?

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