11.26.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 25th, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 9:46 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz It would be good to show more evidence of their link to Microsoft before they disappear from this planet. Nov 25 16:19
_doug “For ninety (90) days from Your date of purchase, Novell warrants that (1) any media on which the Software is delivered is free from physical defects; and (2) the Software will substantially conform to the documentation accompanying the Software” Nov 25 16:19
_doug http://www.novell.com/licensing/eula/sle… Nov 25 16:19
wispy go for it roy :) Nov 25 16:19
schestowitz _doug: what’s Windows like? Nov 25 16:19
_doug “Novell will at its sole discretion either resolve the nonconformity or refund the license fees You paid for the Software” Nov 25 16:20
_doug “NOVELL MAKES NO WARRANTY, REPRESENTATION OR PROMISE NOT EXPRESSLY SET FORTH IN THIS LIMITED WARRANTY” Nov 25 16:21
_doug NOVELL NOR ANY OF ITS LICENSORS, SUBSIDIARIES, OR EMPLOYEES WILL IN ANY CASE BE LIABLE FOR ANY ..  DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF .. THE SOFTWARE,” Nov 25 16:22
_doug “This benchmark testing restriction applies to You” Nov 25 16:23
wispy roy, i g2g.  im going on vacation and won’t be back until monday of next week.  see ya!  :D Nov 25 16:23
schestowitz Have a nice time. Nov 25 16:23
wispy thanks!  ^_^ Nov 25 16:24
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schestowitz _doug: maybe we should deconstruct the EULA and slam it where appropriate (or inappropriate rather)? Nov 25 16:24
_doug Vista Eula: “MANDATORY ACTIVATION.. The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software”” Nov 25 16:25
_doug “During a validation check, the software will send information about the software and the device Nov 25 16:25
_doug to Microsoft” Nov 25 16:25
_doug “When you download licenses for protected content, you agree that Microsoft may include a revocation list with the licenses. Content owners may require you to upgrade WMDRM to access their content” Nov 25 16:26
_doug “You may disclose the results of any benchmark test of those components, provided that you comply with the conditions set forth at” Nov 25 16:26
_doug “LIMITATION ON AND EXCLUSION OF DAMAGES. You can recover from Microsoft and its suppliers only direct damages up to the amount you paid for the software. You cannot recover any other damages, including consequential, lost profits, special, indirect or incidental damages” Nov 25 16:27
_doug “This limitation .. applies even if .. Microsoft knew or should have known about the possibility of the damages” Nov 25 16:28
_doug IF I was the Chief lawyer of a fortune500 company, what IP peace of mind is this legalese supposed to bring me ? Nov 25 16:29
_doug “REMEDY FOR BREACH OF WARRANTY. Microsoft will repair or replace the software at no charge. If Microsoft cannot repair or replace it, Microsoft will refund the amount shown on your receipt for the software” Nov 25 16:30
_doug This one’s strange ? Nov 25 16:31
schestowitz Heh. Vista Nov 25 16:31
schestowitz New feature in Vista: new EULA Nov 25 16:32
_doug “USE OF THIS PRODUCT IN ANY MANNER THAT COMPLIES WITH THE MPEG 2 VISUAL STANDARD IS PROHIBITED, EXCEPT FOR USE DIRECTLY RELATED TO (A) DATA OR INFORMATION (i) GENERATED BY AND OBTAINED WITHOUT CHARGE FROM A CONSUMER NOT THEREBY ENGAGED IN A BUSINESS ENTERPRISE, AND (ii) FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY; AND (B) OTHER USES SPECIFICALLY AND SEPARATELY LICENSED BY MPEG LA, L.L.C.” Nov 25 16:32
_doug http://download.microsoft.com/documents/useterms/Window… Nov 25 16:32
schestowitz DRM/DMCA? Nov 25 16:32
schestowitz Maybe that’s why Microsoft takes CIOs out to dinner… they get drunk and sign such waivers. Nov 25 16:33
_doug Where do any of these licenses protect me gainst getting sued from loss of confidential customer records ? Nov 25 16:33
schestowitz It’s not about rights. Nov 25 16:34
schestowitz It’s a waiver. Nov 25 16:34
schestowitz It’s about things you lose… rights you concede. Nov 25 16:34
_doug how valid is a license that uses URLs ? Nov 25 16:35
schestowitz Really? Nov 25 16:36
schestowitz Not slef contained Nov 25 16:36
_doug “The right to disclose the results of any benchmark test of the Microsoft .NET Framework has been modified.” Nov 25 16:36
_doug http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=66406 Nov 25 16:36
_doug MS innovation, the retrospectivly changable contract .. :) Nov 25 16:37
_doug “THE ENTIRE LIABILITY OF MICROSOFT .. SHALL BE LIMITED TO ACTUAL DAMAGES INCURRED BY YOU BASED ON REASONABLE RELIANCE UP TO THE GREATER OF THE AMOUNT ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE OS COMPONENTS OR U.S.$5.00 .. EVEN IF ANY REMEDY FAILS ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE” Nov 25 16:39
_doug What does this mean in english ? Nov 25 16:39
_doug LET A = ‘actual damages’, B = ‘reasonable reliance’, C = ‘essential purpose’, Results = NULL .. Nov 25 16:41
_doug R = [NOT]C [OR]B [OR]A .. Nov 25 16:42
_doug therfore R always defaults to ZERO .. yea .. I’m confused … ;] Nov 25 16:42
schestowitz They won’t sue Nov 25 16:42
schestowitz I think it’s not enforceable and unconstitutional (in the US), but no-one challenged it, AFAIK. Nov 25 16:43
schestowitz Did Groklaw write anything about Microsoft’s EULA? Nov 25 16:43
_doug So it’s $5.00 or your money back .. :) Nov 25 16:51
_doug Has any analysis of these EULAs been done elsewhere ? Nov 25 16:55
_doug I don’t mean EnderleFUD, I mean in reference as to what ‘protection’ the enduser receives .. ? Nov 25 16:56
schestowitz _doug: yes, I know a simple English version Nov 25 16:56
schestowitz [H]omer has it in his site too. Nov 25 16:56
schestowitz Got it: http://slated.org/windows_xp_eula_in_plain_english Nov 25 16:57
Omar87 schestowitz: So, what’s that Bilski case? Nov 25 16:57
_doug http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20… Nov 25 17:08
schestowitz Omar87: it could end a lot of software patents. Nov 25 17:09
schestowitz It’s good precedence. Nov 25 17:10
schestowitz Bilski is the name of the guy whose patent was challenged. Nov 25 17:10
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schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008… ( Greenpeace names and shames top polluters ) Nov 25 17:46
PetoKraus who’s alexH? Nov 25 17:47
PetoKraus except being douchebag Nov 25 17:47
schestowitz Forker of Novell HUla Nov 25 17:47
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schestowitz bbl Nov 25 17:56
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PetoKraus hmm i am watching the w7 promo once again Nov 25 18:37
PetoKraus man, that window management is gonna be messy Nov 25 18:37
PetoKraus every tab in IE displayed as a separate popup icon… DUH Nov 25 18:37
MinceR wm5 already lists every opera tab as a separate window :> Nov 25 18:38
PetoKraus wm5? Nov 25 18:39
PetoKraus windows mobile? Nov 25 18:39
PetoKraus isn’t it cluttered? Nov 25 18:39
MinceR yes and yes it is Nov 25 18:40
MinceR though by default it doesn’t ship with any actual window lists Nov 25 18:40
twitter Vista EULA, “Malicious Software Removal/Clean On Upgrade. Before installation of the software, the Nov 25 18:50
twitter software will check and remove certain malicious software listed at Nov 25 18:50
twitter http://www.support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830 (“Malware”) from your device. When the Nov 25 18:50
twitter software checks your device for Malware, a report will be sent to Microsoft about any Nov 25 18:50
twitter Malware detected or errors that occurred while the software was checking for Malware.” Nov 25 18:50
twitter Basically, they can remove any software they want. Nov 25 18:50
MinceR sounds like crApple to me. Nov 25 18:51
twitter If it’s like the XP EULA, they have also granted themselves permission to change the EULA at any time without notifying you. Nov 25 18:51
twitter All non free software is like this. Nov 25 18:52
twitter Control of people is the purpose of hiding the workings of software. Nov 25 18:52
twitter Vista EULA, “Use of Information. Microsoft may use the computer information, error reports, and Malwar Nov 25 18:56
twitter reports to improve our software and services. We may also share it with others, such as Nov 25 18:56
twitter hardware and software vendors. “ Nov 25 18:56
twitter Vista is spyware.  The above grants them an unlimited right to inspect and report the contents of your computer. Nov 25 18:57
trmanco this is a beauty -> http://slated.org/files/Logfile.full.CSV.txt Nov 25 18:57
PetoKraus you mean the 403? Nov 25 18:58
trmanco hun? Nov 25 18:59
twitter ah ha, the Vista privacy agreement is separate.  http://go.microsoft.com/fwli… Nov 25 19:00
trmanco forbidden? Nov 25 19:00
PetoKraus trmanco: yup Nov 25 19:00
trmanco PetoKraus, http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/… Nov 25 19:01
twitter misdirection, privacy statement is here http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista… Nov 25 19:01
trmanco don’t know why, I just opened it Nov 25 19:01
trmanco all working fine here Nov 25 19:01
twitter ” The personal information we collect from you will be used by Microsoft and its controlled subsidiaries” Nov 25 19:02
twitter ” Microsoft may disclose personal information about you if required to do so by law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) comply with the law or legal process served on Microsoft; (b) protect and defend the rights of Microsoft (including enforcement of our agreements); or (c) act in urgent circumstances to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, users of Microsoft software or services, or me Nov 25 19:04
twitter Urgent circumstances exist all the time:  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo… Nov 25 19:04
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twitter whatever changes they decide to make, we can be sure that the “right” to sell your information will continue to be granted. Nov 25 19:06
kevin_ hey guys, do you think microsoft is going to try and bring the concept of disposable non-transferrable OEM licenses to linux? Nov 25 19:06
twitter M$ will encumber free software anyway they can. Nov 25 19:07
kevin_ that sort of thing really males me angry… it’s like they’re stealing back what you’ve paid for Nov 25 19:07
kevin_ makes* Nov 25 19:07
twitter free software has provisions against that kind of theft. Nov 25 19:07
kevin_ yep Nov 25 19:08
twitter copy left insures you get the same rights as the OEM did. Nov 25 19:08
kevin_ it would be like company x selling you a stereo and prohibbiting you from hooking the speakers up to company y’s stereo when the receiver in x fails Nov 25 19:09
twitter Creative, Apple and other hardware makers do that kind of thing. Nov 25 19:09
kevin_ yep… so do the CD burner makers Nov 25 19:10
kevin_ i just don’t understand why people aren’t outraged by it Nov 25 19:10
kevin_ i guess it is because they don’t know about it :) Nov 25 19:10
twitter because the conspirators are being careful to tighten the nose slowly. Nov 25 19:10
twitter damage has been done to hardware sales. Nov 25 19:11
kevin_ apparently they even tie the software to the BIOS in the machine to sabatoge people Nov 25 19:11
twitter No one wants to buy a large screen TV when they know about revocation lists and are unsure it will work. Nov 25 19:12
kevin_ heh… i didn’t know that can happen to TVs… i just thought it was blu-ray/hd dvd players Nov 25 19:12
twitter This uncertainty helped destroy CompUSA and Circuit City. Nov 25 19:13
kevin_ *remembers reading about divix and laughs* Nov 25 19:13
twitter Almost every music rental service has failed besides satellite radio, and that is not doing as well as plain old CDs. Nov 25 19:14
twitter The more difficult DRM makes legitimate content, the less they can sell. Nov 25 19:14
twitter Even plain old CDs are not selling well. Nov 25 19:15
kevin_ even if I wanted to subscribe to a service like that, i wouldn’t because they use Microsoft’s WMA format and I would be locked in the OEM license game just to listen to my music Nov 25 19:15
kevin_ i still buy cds Nov 25 19:16
kevin_ it’s the only legal way to have lossless files and not be tied to a specific OS Nov 25 19:16
twitter Universities abandoned the rental service because no one used them, even when they were provided for “free” (non voluntary, universal fees levied) Nov 25 19:17
kevin_ they shouldn’t be including stuff like that in university fees though Nov 25 19:18
twitter The US household average for music purchases is about $15/year. Nov 25 19:18
twitter Most people just don’t buy canned music. Nov 25 19:18
kevin_ all of the cds I’ve purchased in recent years were released over 20 years ago :) Nov 25 19:19
twitter You can visit the internet archive or creative commons to find new music.  There are also several streaming music services. Nov 25 19:20
twitter Oh dear, M$FT is back under $20 and falling with the rest of the market.  http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT Nov 25 19:22
kevin_ is that good or bad? Nov 25 19:22
twitter It is good that M$ dies.  It is bad that everyone else suffers. Nov 25 19:23
twitter almost everyone that is. Nov 25 19:23
twitter M$’s problems are long standing. Nov 25 19:23
kevin_ are you talking about the people who indirectly work for ms? Nov 25 19:24
kevin_ pc repair shops, tech support, etc Nov 25 19:24
twitter Those people will all do better with software freedom. Nov 25 19:24
twitter The sooner M$ dies, the better off everyone else in the industry will be. Nov 25 19:25
kevin_ apparently they learned their lesson from vista though and 7 will have lower sysreqs Nov 25 19:25
_doug a falling market, will hot everyone. M$ does have a certain dollar value attached to it, from stock holders, investors etc .. Nov 25 19:25
twitter Windows 7 is still a pig according to benchmarks. Nov 25 19:25
twitter People who invest in monopoly greed will be screwed the same way customers, OEMs and employees are. Nov 25 19:26
PetoKraus twitter: i hope it’ll remain so :) Nov 25 19:26
kevin_ one of the reasons I refuse to get vista is because of stuff like PVP… but i bet that will be in the next version too Nov 25 19:27
PetoKraus i don’t think they’ll be able to pull of such a massive speed improvement Nov 25 19:27
kevin_ it would have to be for backword-compatibility’s sake Nov 25 19:27
PetoKraus the funny thing is, they tout, that W7 will be able to run on netbooks. BOLLOCKS i say Nov 25 19:27
twitter They worked on Vista for six years.  I doubt they can fix it in two. Nov 25 19:27
twitter Performance matters less than freedom, however. Nov 25 19:28
PetoKraus yeah Nov 25 19:28
kevin_ that is why i am greatful for wine Nov 25 19:28
PetoKraus kevin_: i am not, to be honest. They did nice job, but it’s way of bringing proprietary software to linux Nov 25 19:28
PetoKraus i don’t like mixing apples with pears Nov 25 19:28
twitter DRM, patent and EULA encumbered Suse, for example, is not as good as distributions without those problems. Nov 25 19:29
twitter It is good to be able to run non free software that you need in a free environment. Nov 25 19:29
kevin_ i agree in part, but it doesn’t bother me as much to run, say proprietary games because if they pull stunts like the above mentioned, my PC won’t become a doorstop Nov 25 19:29
PetoKraus every distribution has its own problems, though. Beranger could talk craploads Nov 25 19:30
twitter craploads Nov 25 19:30
PetoKraus kevin_: well, games :) Nov 25 19:30
PetoKraus that’s the only case when I actually take my external sata HDD with XP installed for a walk Nov 25 19:30
PetoKraus happened twice in last two years. Nov 25 19:31
PetoKraus the culprit was Deus Ex (1&2) Nov 25 19:31
kevin_ deus ex 1 can run great in wine… not 2 Nov 25 19:31
PetoKraus yes, it can, but it’s quite annoying… Nov 25 19:31
kevin_ i play it all the time Nov 25 19:31
PetoKraus i used to use wine for games Nov 25 19:31
PetoKraus but then I switched to open-source ATI driver Nov 25 19:31
PetoKraus priority shift Nov 25 19:31
PetoKraus there are nice Linux games, though Nov 25 19:32
twitter I’d rather have games run native and free like ID does. Nov 25 19:32
kevin_ oh… ouch… i used to use ATI and it was not fun Nov 25 19:32
PetoKraus Nexuiz, OpenArena and WarSow being FPS examples Nov 25 19:32
PetoKraus Dune Legacy and Ufo: Alien Invasion being great reworks of old RTS’s Nov 25 19:32
PetoKraus and OpenTTD ;) Nov 25 19:32
PetoKraus kevin_: ATI is good now. Nov 25 19:33
twitter When it comes to games, I don’t mind having a non free console – but I won’t hook it up where it can spy on my network. Nov 25 19:33
PetoKraus you get better, much better support for older hardware Nov 25 19:33
PetoKraus and decent support for the brand-new one (in fglrx only, though) Nov 25 19:33
twitter I don’t have money to play games and music right now.  :’( Nov 25 19:34
twitter When I do have money, I’ll make a mythTV box and hook it to a projector. Nov 25 19:34
PetoKraus well music Nov 25 19:34
kevin_ i stopped buying games because the last one put hidden drivers on my pc Nov 25 19:34
kevin_ but it’s nice to be able to play all the old ones in linux Nov 25 19:34
PetoKraus i am sorry to say, that majority of my music collection is purely uhm, uhm legal…. Nov 25 19:35
twitter If mythTV does not satisfy my urge to play games, I’ll get a wii or PS3 Nov 25 19:35
twitter Creative Commons is both legal and ethical. Nov 25 19:35
PetoKraus yes… Nov 25 19:35
kevin_ get a wii… don’t support the company that put rootkits on peoples’ machines :) Nov 25 19:35
PetoKraus consoles are consoles Nov 25 19:35
kevin_ i have neither of them though Nov 25 19:36
PetoKraus me neither Nov 25 19:36
PetoKraus i don’t game that much. I used to be addicted, so :P Nov 25 19:36
twitter The inlaws beat me to getting a Wii Nov 25 19:36
twitter it’s fun Nov 25 19:36
twitter it also tells you to go play outside Nov 25 19:36
twitter I think I’ll go do that now. Nov 25 19:37
twitter bbl Nov 25 19:37
PetoKraus our CS students are doing funny game Nov 25 19:37
PetoKraus it’s based on wireless signal Nov 25 19:37
PetoKraus basically you run around Glasgow’s west end and send pictures of stuff Nov 25 19:37
kevin_ cool Nov 25 19:38
PetoKraus and receive pictures of stuff and you have to confirm the location Nov 25 19:38
PetoKraus it’s based on SSID & GSM signal hashing, AFAIK Nov 25 19:38
PetoKraus they are developing the tech for third or fourth year now, it’s one of the PhD’s work Nov 25 19:38
PetoKraus obviously, they get nice funding, so they can pay the folks playing Nov 25 19:38
kevin_ i think it would be a good idea to build a device like a tivo that has a usb port on the front and one can plug an ipod in and transfer video to it Nov 25 19:39
kevin_ that would make a lot of money Nov 25 19:39
PetoKraus well Nov 25 19:40
PetoKraus make it a round table Nov 25 19:40
PetoKraus and make it wireless Nov 25 19:40
PetoKraus SURFACE ™! Nov 25 19:40
kevin_ that’s the thing ms is building right? with the multi-touch screen Nov 25 19:41
PetoKraus well…. yes Nov 25 19:41
kevin_ i saw a video on youtube where someone was doing that with compiz fusion Nov 25 19:41
PetoKraus http://cenriqueortiz.com/images/microsoft-sur… Nov 25 19:41
PetoKraus touchscreens are horrid Nov 25 19:41
PetoKraus i hate them Nov 25 19:41
kevin_ PetoKraus: are you a professor? Nov 25 19:43
PetoKraus :D not really Nov 25 19:43
PetoKraus do i sound like? Nov 25 19:44
kevin_ no… but when you said “our CS students” it made me think so Nov 25 19:44
PetoKraus ah, yes… i meant CS students from my school… Nov 25 19:44
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ReverseGTR greetings ya’ll, I have not been on here for quite awhile so can anyone shed some light on the curcumstances that created this court case and verdict? http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081124-final… Nov 25 21:04
ReverseGTR I see that it stemmed off from a lawsuit against IBM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_v._IBM Nov 25 21:06
ReverseGTR what I don’t get is how and why 2 companies heavily subsidized by M$ would get entangled like this and to whos benefit? Nov 25 21:07
_doug heavly subsidized, who IBM ? Nov 25 21:10
ReverseGTR _doug: SCO and Novell Nov 25 21:10
ReverseGTR _doug: well M$ really only granted capital to them to help with legal and marketing expenses I assume Nov 25 21:11
_doug Well SCO is just a stalking horse for MS, and the Novell MS agreement is more recent .. Nov 25 21:11
_doug Well, if SCO owns Unix, then that means Novell don’t own SuSE .. Nov 25 21:12
ReverseGTR _doug: but SCO didn’t hold onto the copyright for the SRVX Unix code Nov 25 21:13
ReverseGTR _doug: they lost, badly, to Novell. Nov 25 21:13
_doug that’s what his honour said .. Nov 25 21:13
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ReverseGTR _doug: so your saying it may grant Novell to create their own updates and copyright them? Nov 25 21:14
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ReverseGTR _doug: where does the GPL come into this? Nov 25 21:14
_doug For Novell? .. it doesn’t .. Nov 25 21:15
_doug GPL 3 covers upstream patent issues .. Nov 25 21:15
_doug ReverseGTR: Novell copyright what ? Nov 25 21:17
ReverseGTR _doug: so they are suffering from a Apple sindrome where they see those who market Linux and create their own repos as Canonical’s Ubuntu the enemy, when they don’t see the M$ infested zombie in the room Nov 25 21:17
_doug what license did Novell release SRVX source ? Nov 25 21:18
schestowitz hey, ReverseGTR. wb Nov 25 21:18
ReverseGTR _doug: they seem to be the exclusive proprieters or licensees of it now, thanks to the court case Nov 25 21:19
ReverseGTR schestowitz: not much, just getting ready for the holidays… which include earning extra at a part time job above actually buying much Nov 25 21:19
schestowitz PetoKraus: slated.org rejects some browsers. You ain’t using IE, right? Nov 25 21:20
PetoKraus :D ffx Nov 25 21:21
_doug http://www.masterliness.com/a/T… Nov 25 21:21
PetoKraus it may be my ISP Nov 25 21:21
PetoKraus YOUR ACCESS TO THIS WEBSITE HAS BEEN BLOCKED Nov 25 21:21
PetoKraus Access to this website has been blocked because your ISP is one known to be using Webwise. Nov 25 21:21
PetoKraus To restore full access to this site, please move to a Phorm-free Internet Service Provider. Nov 25 21:21
_doug “there is also the significant portions of SVRx code base that are covered by BSD copyrights and public domain” Nov 25 21:21
PetoKraus [H]omer: honestly, man! Nov 25 21:21
ReverseGTR _doug: Berkley University should sue all the nix vendors Nov 25 21:23
_doug :) Nov 25 21:23
schestowitz kevin_: Vista 7 has the same reqs as Vista, if not worse [still catching us] Nov 25 21:23
ReverseGTR schestowitz: yippie and it looks more like OSX too Nov 25 21:24
PetoKraus we shall see how it ends up Nov 25 21:24
PetoKraus it’s funny to see all this copying Nov 25 21:24
PetoKraus it’s like – alright, Vista is clean rip off Mac Os X Nov 25 21:24
schestowitz PetoKraus: yes, ATI is good now and we can reward them by buying AMD. Nov 25 21:25
PetoKraus KDE 4 is pretty innovative…. but some of the features are already implemented by E17 for years, and by Compiz as well Nov 25 21:25
PetoKraus E17 is quite a nice rip off of Mac Os X… or was it the other way around? Nov 25 21:26
PetoKraus at least the dock part is…. Nov 25 21:26
_doug ReverseGTR: Bell Labs sued Berkley .. and lost … Nov 25 21:26
PetoKraus i though Berkley was university for artists. Duh :) Nov 25 21:26
schestowitz kevin_:Surface is just a peripheral. There’s no real SDK yet. GNU/Linux could do it before Microsoft… several research groups did. Nov 25 21:26
schestowitz But Microsoft is a marketing company, so hey! It wasn’t invested until Microsoft muscled some journos Nov 25 21:27
_doug ReverseGTR: so SCO UNIX was actually line by line copied into BSDunix .. Nov 25 21:28
ReverseGTR _doug: brilliant is there a company out there that doesn’t want to kill open software development? Nov 25 21:28
ReverseGTR for their own benefit Nov 25 21:28
_doug Only the one … Nov 25 21:28
schestowitz PetoKraus: *LOL* Phorm is crime. Nov 25 21:29
ReverseGTR PetoKraus: docks have been around before OSX Nov 25 21:29
schestowitz In the news today: http://techdirt.com/articles/200811… Nov 25 21:29
schestowitz “Is it really so hard to allow open discussion on such a topic? If BT believes that it’s reasonable to use the technology, then why not explain why clearly, responding to the critics? The only reason to erase these discussions is if BT knows that what’s it’s doing is highly questionable, and BT would rather not have to explain itself.” Nov 25 21:29
PetoKraus yes, but I’d like to see [H]omer’s page ;) Nov 25 21:30
schestowitz BT:Bunch of Turds (and gagsters). Censor *THIS*, BT. Nov 25 21:30
_doug BT is blocking a Phorm blocking device ? Nov 25 21:30
PetoKraus and i kind of refuse to rape some japanese proxy to get there…. Nov 25 21:30
_doug http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/USLsett… Nov 25 21:30
ReverseGTR schestowitz: Bit Torrent’s people would sell out its open sourced efforts and users to turn a tiny profit now Nov 25 21:31
schestowitz ReverseGTR: Apple patented not the dock. Nov 25 21:31
schestowitz Just some stupid trivial extension. Nov 25 21:31
schestowitz Jobs brainfrat [sic] Nov 25 21:31
ReverseGTR schestowitz: you mean like how the icons jump like little epaleptic maniacs when you click them? Nov 25 21:32
schestowitz PetoKraus: http://schestowitz.com/proxy/ (u/p: open;proxy10) Nov 25 21:33
ReverseGTR _doug: what about a Chinese proxy? Nov 25 21:33
PetoKraus schestowitz: nice Nov 25 21:33
PetoKraus though that DOES count as raping someone’s proxy ;) Nov 25 21:34
_doug Chinese proxy ? Nov 25 21:34
ReverseGTR _doug: yea, like that Firefox extension does Nov 25 21:35
ReverseGTR _doug: it is pretty much suppose to give people the experience of surfing the web in the way people in China experience it Nov 25 21:35
ReverseGTR _doug: like one giant AOL Nov 25 21:36
schestowitz How does one check if a site is blocked by the great firewall of China? Nov 25 21:37
ReverseGTR schestowitz: this: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Firefox-Add… Nov 25 21:38
schestowitz “Re: Nice political statement; but who would install it” Nov 25 21:38
ReverseGTR schestowitz: but it doesn’t just Simulate like the page states, it literally hooks up your Firefox via proxy to an IP in Hong Kong. So be careful because the PRC will be tracking you Nov 25 21:39
ReverseGTR schestowitz: curious users Nov 25 21:39
schestowitz *LOL* Nov 25 21:39
schestowitz What’s the point of that? Nov 25 21:39
ReverseGTR schestowitz: to give people an idea what China blocks and appretiate the Uhmerican way Nov 25 21:39
schestowitz Is BN blocked? Can you check? Nov 25 21:40
schestowitz The trolls put BN and GL on Websense, allegedly.. or maybe it’s a coincidence. Nov 25 21:40
ReverseGTR schestowitz: nope your page is not blocked by the PRC authorities Nov 25 21:41
ReverseGTR schestowitz: I don’t really care because I know my IP or at least my ISP permits NSA easedropping :P Nov 25 21:42
ReverseGTR schestowitz: I mean which major American ISP doesn’t these days Nov 25 21:43
ReverseGTR I even know where the closest NSA easedropping point is about a 15 minute drive away from me, perhaps I should stop by and say hi Nov 25 21:45
ReverseGTR to a bunch of machines, I hope I didn’t effectively ostrasize myself from this channel for stating all that, cya Nov 25 21:45
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kevin_ i just know i’m done paying for “licenses” that i can’t move to a different pc… it’s a scam Nov 25 21:50
kevin_ top Nov 25 21:51
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schestowitz What is this article with BN in Japanese? http://itpro.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/C… Nov 25 21:57
schestowitz “つまり,Novellにとってオープンソース・コミュニティ代表という役割は薄れたとうことだ。この提携を切っ掛けに登場したちっぽけなWebサイト「Boycott Novell」の運営者であるRoy Schestowitz氏は,「NovellとMicrosoftが自分たちの道を進むなら,Linuxはますますデータセンターの隅に追いやられるようなものだ。実質的に,Linuxは(Wi Nov 25 21:57
schestowitz ndowsで動いているサーバー上の)ゲスト・マシンとして販売されるようになる。仮想化Windowsの有無にかかわらずLinuxサーバーとしては販売されない」と述べている。” Nov 25 21:57
schestowitz What does that say? Nov 25 21:57
schestowitz Google expanding or laying off?? Confusing… Google In Search Talks With Russian Social Network < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/11/25/go… > Nov 25 21:57
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_doug ‘The deal appeared on a tiny Web site: “Boycott Novell” under the management of Roy Schestowitz, which said, “Novell and Microsoft would pursue their own path with Linux increasingly relegated to corner of the data center (effectivly running as guest on the Windows server). The virtualized Linux server paying for Windows regardless’ Nov 25 22:04
schestowitz Well, that’s SLES Nov 25 22:07
_doug DivX sues Yahoo over canceled ad agreement .. Nov 25 22:08
_doug http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008… Nov 25 22:08
schestowitz Yes, some days ago Nov 25 22:09
schestowitz Apple sued too just now, Nov 25 22:09
GoblinRFD Hi Roy (and everyone else) Nov 25 22:11
schestowitz hey there. Nov 25 22:11
schestowitz I’ve just spotted some very annoying comment from the Monovellsoft trols. Nov 25 22:12
schestowitz _doug: proxy password modified Nov 25 22:12
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schestowitz Woohoo!! Not. British police to be equipped with 10,000 Tasers < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/119400 > My mate at the gym just told me it’s 30k, not 10k Nov 25 22:13
schestowitz It was SHOCKING. Nov 25 22:13
GoblinRFD :) Nov 25 22:14
schestowitz Charge (up) the crooks. Nov 25 22:14
GoblinRFD Ive got a new quote……Im quite proud of it (although I modified it from another quote by a chap called George Galloway) Nov 25 22:15
GoblinRFD here Nov 25 22:15
GoblinRFD it goes: Nov 25 22:15
schestowitz New sadism toys for violent policemen. Nov 25 22:15
GoblinRFD “Leting MS into the opensource scene is like putting Count Dracula in charge of a blood bank” Nov 25 22:15
GoblinRFD and it takes pride of place with….. Nov 25 22:16
GoblinRFD “Computers are like air conditioning, open Windows and they dont work” Nov 25 22:16
schestowitz –Linus Nov 25 22:16
GoblinRFD I got the second one from Gutsy Geeks Nov 25 22:16
schestowitz Unoriginal then. :-) Nov 25 22:16
GoblinRFD and the first was modified from a comment George Galloway made about Tony Blair. Nov 25 22:16
GoblinRFD The first is original….ish Nov 25 22:17
schestowitz Microsoft ‘bribes’ FOSS people to open gates Nov 25 22:17
schestowitz Patent disputes about chip technologies < http://www.heise.de/english/newsti… > Nov 25 22:19
GoblinRFD Sorry if Im disturbing any conversations, but here is an excellent short clip for any Startrek fans (its a BSOD joke) Nov 25 22:19
GoblinRFD http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r36TcG5XZDg Nov 25 22:19
schestowitz Apple Sued For Patent Infringement < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/11/24… > “An attorney for EMG, Stanley Gibson said U.S. Patent No. 7,441,196 is one of five patents for navigating the Internet on mobile devices and Internet Protocol Television. (IPTV)” Nov 25 22:19
schestowitz Oh yeah… I have the GIF Nov 25 22:20
kevin_ hey wait a minute… last time i checked, my laptop is a mobile device :) Nov 25 22:20
GoblinRFD Have you read over on MS-Watch Joe thinks that there may be a branded MS phone. Nov 25 22:21
kevin_ and PDA’s have been around for a long long time Nov 25 22:21
schestowitz I’ll the vid to the next batch of links Nov 25 22:21
GoblinRFD I have WM on an MDA Mail. Nov 25 22:21
GoblinRFD It was the worst experience I ever had. Nov 25 22:21
schestowitz I hardly read Joe anymore… no original news there… just PR echo Nov 25 22:22
schestowitz Microsoft has just invented the phone. Nov 25 22:22
GoblinRFD I cant work Joe out, he sometimes prints articles overly pro and other times seems to poke fun at them. Nov 25 22:22
schestowitz I used to feed him with comments, but I stopped. Nov 25 22:23
schestowitz Better to stay out of Microsoft turf… leads to trolling, annoyance and draws attention to them.. Nov 25 22:23
GoblinRFD I think whatever he is, he is quite good at creating discussion. Nov 25 22:23
schestowitz He’s from JupiterResearch… Microsoft shills… Gartenberg and all… bunch of propaganda worse then Gartner. Nov 25 22:24
GoblinRFD Heres the MS comment of the day over on MSwatch ” Microsoft is perfectly happy to partner with and support open source companies.” Nov 25 22:25
GoblinRFD Roy, I meant to ask, do you have a list of apps that use Mono?  I believe Tomboy and Evolution do, but Im trying to find out all. Nov 25 22:26
schestowitz Haha. Nov 25 22:27
schestowitz As long as they run on Windows and uses Microsoft’s API that Microsoft controls. Nov 25 22:27
schestowitz IOW, Microsoft loves free labour Nov 25 22:27
GoblinRFD That comment was made by a confessed MS employee called Jess Meats Nov 25 22:27
schestowitz Evolution has plguins written in Mono, but the core is clean. Nov 25 22:27
GoblinRFD Ah. Nov 25 22:28
schestowitz Microsoft employee: “we nice and cuddly. Come, come,don’t be afraid” Nov 25 22:28
GoblinRFD Or the proverbial clown from the film IT offering balloons to kids in the sewers. Nov 25 22:28
schestowitz Microsoft management (meanwhile): “Linux violated 235 of our patents and we’ll sue if vendors don’t pay… and use our APIs” Nov 25 22:28
schestowitz It’s like approaching a clan of cannibals because the 10 year-old kids from there invite you… they ain’t headhunters yet Nov 25 22:29
GoblinRFD “They all float down here” Nov 25 22:31
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GoblinRFD Do you listen to Linux Outlaws?  Just listening to the latest ep.  Very good. Nov 25 22:33
kevin_ yep Nov 25 22:33
kevin_ it’s a good show Nov 25 22:33
GoblinRFD great chemistry between the two presenters Nov 25 22:33
kevin_ funny… i’m listening to it too Nov 25 22:33
GoblinRFD lol Nov 25 22:33
GoblinRFD Im 40mins into the latest show! Nov 25 22:34
kevin_ that microwatch music reminds me of that song from the “80s, “safety dance” or something like that Nov 25 22:34
GoblinRFD Have you heard the Gutsy Geeks theme?  Its very good. Nov 25 22:34
kevin_ yes Nov 25 22:34
kevin_ by bad religion Nov 25 22:35
GoblinRFD is it? Ive been looking for it. Nov 25 22:35
GoblinRFD I thought it was something they made. Nov 25 22:35
kevin_ i think they should interview someone from xiph.org Nov 25 22:35
kevin_ i suggested it a month or so ago in fact Nov 25 22:35
GoblinRFD That Bad religion song, do you know what its called? Nov 25 22:36
kevin_ nope Nov 25 22:36
kevin_ i’m sure you can find the name of it by searching for “bad religion computer song” Nov 25 22:36
GoblinRFD yep Nov 25 22:37
GoblinRFD http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rBK3zME1aqk Nov 25 22:37
GoblinRFD That will be ringtone in a few mins Nov 25 22:38
kevin_ hehe Nov 25 22:38
GoblinRFD Kevin, are you UK?  The reason I ask is that MS seem to be hammering UK tv with Im a pc ads. Nov 25 22:40
GoblinRFD have you noticed? (if youre from the UK that is) Nov 25 22:41
kevin_ those ads are SO annoying Nov 25 22:41
kevin_ i’m in the US Nov 25 22:41
GoblinRFD ah Nov 25 22:41
GoblinRFD The wife doesnt understand them. Nov 25 22:41
GoblinRFD although that doesnt say alot.  She thought Ubuntu was written by Microsoft. Nov 25 22:41
kevin_ i would like to see bumper stickers that say “i’m a PC and I’m not running windows” Nov 25 22:42
GoblinRFD I corrected her. I told here that was OpenSUSE. Nov 25 22:42
GoblinRFD *edit Here should read “her” Nov 25 22:42
schestowitz Welte vid (loooks like some win32 laptops among the audience): http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS82243… Nov 25 22:44
kevin_ is it just me, or are there more windows ads on tv than there were when xp came out? Nov 25 22:45
kevin_ truth be told i’m not a big TV watcher though Nov 25 22:45
schestowitz I see lots of XBox ads… and Wii Nov 25 22:46
MinceR nice song Nov 25 22:46
schestowitz Funny lyrics Nov 25 22:47
schestowitz Just got this msg: “Here Linux.com has published an advertisement dressed as an article and featuring an MS talking point recently being spread around the net: http://www.linux.com/feature/153229? If the editors can’t admit their mistake, I’d have to say that’s the end for Linux.com.  But maybe that was the goal? “ Nov 25 22:49
GoblinRFD “but its inability to properly display documents created in the proprietary Microsoft Office formats hinders its widespread acceptance in multi-OS business environments with many legacy .doc and .xls files.” Nov 25 22:51
GoblinRFD Not exactly a coding nightmare to fix though Nov 25 22:51
Omar87 lol, guys, you know Paltalk? Nov 25 22:51
kevin_ are those rumors about openoffice.org incorporating ads legit? Nov 25 22:51
schestowitz I think so. Nov 25 22:52
schestowitz Omar87: what about it? Nov 25 22:52
Omar87 Here’s something hilarious about it. :) Nov 25 22:52
Omar87 http://www.computing.net/answers/linu… Nov 25 22:52
GoblinRFD I use AbiWord anyway.  I have no need of all the open office features. Nov 25 22:52
Omar87 A very old comment for a guy/girl who contacted Paltalk asking for a version for Linux, just read what told him/her. :) Nov 25 22:53
kevin_ couldn’t somebody just fork it? Nov 25 22:53
kevin_ and remove the ads Nov 25 22:54
schestowitz Legit Q: Is It McDonald’s Responsibility To Stop Nude Photos From Getting Online? < http://techdirt.com/articles/200811… >> Nov 25 22:55
schestowitz oe ewilcox@buckeye-express.com Nov 25 22:57
kevin_ depends on if the nude photos were illegal… and… touch to decide one way or the other Nov 25 22:57
kevin_ tough* Nov 25 22:57
schestowitz “Sounds to me as if they are confusing stable with popularity. I’ll bet the real reason they support Windows and not Linux is the roughly 90% Windows market share.” Nov 25 22:57
schestowitz Ubiquity != popularity Nov 25 22:57
schestowitz Windows is unpopular, even among its own users Nov 25 22:57
schestowitz That’s like saying  “flu is popular” in winter Nov 25 22:58
kevin_ i remember reading an article where ms tried to say that if someone wanted to be “plays for sure” certified, they would only be able to support ms’s media formats Nov 25 22:59
kevin_ that didn’t fly though Nov 25 22:59
MinceR i like the flu analogy Nov 25 23:00
GoblinRFD Can I just ask out of interest.  What distro are people running?  Im Ubuntu 8.10 Nov 25 23:01
MinceR also, FailsForSure. ;) Nov 25 23:01
kevin_ same Nov 25 23:01
MinceR ubuntu 7.10 (getting ready to upgrade to 8.10) Nov 25 23:01
MinceR my desktop has 8.04, iirc Nov 25 23:01
GoblinRFD Roy? Nov 25 23:01
MinceR and the work machine has 8.04 Nov 25 23:01
kevin_ i was on 8.04, but had to upgrade to get my wifi card to work Nov 25 23:01
MinceR and my server is way behind but it’s tricky to upgrade Nov 25 23:01
MinceR (the boot partition is too small and it breaks kernel upgrades so i’ll have to save the whole thing, repartition and copy it back) Nov 25 23:02
schestowitz Mandriva here, Ubuntu at home (2 machines) and at work. Nov 25 23:02
MinceR (but that server is also the home router) Nov 25 23:02
schestowitz Fedora at the lab though. Nov 25 23:02
MinceR well, actually this is kubuntu Nov 25 23:02
GoblinRFD Ive been very happy since upgrading 8.04 – 8.10 – no issues at all. Nov 25 23:02
schestowitz http://fedoraproject.org/ screenie Nov 25 23:03
MinceR all my machines have kubuntu except the work machine started out as ubuntu and then i put kubuntu-desktop on it Nov 25 23:03
MinceR and the server has ubuntu server on it Nov 25 23:03
MinceR and there’s an old pc around with win98se because the scanner i inherited only works with it :/ Nov 25 23:03
GoblinRFD Ive used NimbleX 2008 to bring back to life a few old machines, with great success aswell. Nov 25 23:03
schestowitz 2 of my machines are ubuntu w/ kde-desktop (not kubuntu-desktop Nov 25 23:03
schestowitz Mandrive 2008.1 is better Nov 25 23:04
kevin_ slax is pretty cool Nov 25 23:04
MinceR how is it better? Nov 25 23:04
MinceR there’s also fedora 8 on my laptop (on another partition) but it isn’t as polished as kubuntu Nov 25 23:04
MinceR i used it today while backing up the root filesystem though Nov 25 23:04
GoblinRFD Ubuntu – Satanic Edition is very good/funny aswell.  Ive converted a few metallers to Linux with it! Nov 25 23:05
MinceR :) Nov 25 23:05
kevin_ i laughed when i saw it, but haven’t installed it on anything yet Nov 25 23:06
neighborlee schestowitz, have they reversed position on livecd I wonder  that or its the dvd who knows, but I can easily find out..at least they default to prompting you for the livecd,,either way at least debian is steering clear of mono in default gnome install in lenny. Nov 25 23:06
GoblinRFD btw if anyone wants that bad religion song, you can download the mp3 from here: http://www.mp3dimension.com/dl/74873/b… Nov 25 23:06
GoblinRFD cant find an OGG though :( Nov 25 23:07
MinceR thx Nov 25 23:07
schestowitz neighborlee: no decision changes that I know of.. Nov 25 23:07
neighborlee k Nov 25 23:07
neighborlee ill find out soon enough ;) Nov 25 23:08
schestowitz neighborlee: search for new screenie.. see if you spot Tomboy. Nov 25 23:08
kevin_ I’m thinking about putting a distro on a 16 gig sdhc card… that’d be sweet Nov 25 23:08
neighborlee schestowitz, well its on the main site screenshot at top of page, but no idea if its livecd or dvd or whatr Nov 25 23:09
neighborlee schestowitz, its the reguar installer it looks like..which is odd considering they default to  installable livecd on download page so maybe this got up by accident who knows…very inconsistent behavior here. ( and I dont buy that its only a space issue as it was there in 8 ? and not in 9> shrug),,,but anyway that debian wont ship it to me is very key so maybe long as they hold out, others may follow we’ll see Nov 25 23:13
neighborlee which is why debian testing is what im using. Nov 25 23:14
neighborlee lenny Nov 25 23:14
PetoKraus doh Nov 25 23:15
PetoKraus i am listening to the linux outlaws Nov 25 23:15
PetoKraus godness Nov 25 23:15
PetoKraus “Debian ported to G1″ Nov 25 23:16
PetoKraus it’s NOT A FUCKING PORT you MORONS Nov 25 23:16
GoblinRFD Just finished listening to Outlaws.  Great show as always. Nov 25 23:16
PetoKraus well, i guess we may agree to disagree Nov 25 23:17
schestowitz PetoKraus: It can be customised Nov 25 23:17
schestowitz Same with e17 Nov 25 23:17
PetoKraus it’s NOT A PORT Nov 25 23:17
schestowitz for EpenMono Nov 25 23:17
MinceR Outlaws can be customised? :> Nov 25 23:17
PetoKraus port means you take the code and compile it for different platform Nov 25 23:17
schestowitz *OpenMoko.. or Debian for Eee PC Nov 25 23:17
PetoKraus and take the code of all the apps, and compile & fix them for different platform Nov 25 23:18
PetoKraus since debian already runs on arm, it’s not a port Nov 25 23:18
schestowitz Porting might involve recoding. Nov 25 23:18
MinceR iirc google did some support for this particular arm cpu though Nov 25 23:18
neighborlee PetoKraus, your caps key is getting stuck <wink> Nov 25 23:18
PetoKraus neighborlee: iT’s ThE bLoOdY sHiFt, sOrRy ;P Nov 25 23:19
neighborlee :) Nov 25 23:19
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schestowitz Shift? Move to automatic. Nov 25 23:24
PetoKraus nah, you get better performance with manual transmissions Nov 25 23:24
PetoKraus you didn’t play racing games much, did you :P Nov 25 23:24
schestowitz Cheney and other extremists would be proud of their accomplishments:  Amid bankruptcy fears, mood is subdued at L.A. Auto Show < http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/11/25/aut…  > Nov 25 23:25
schestowitz PetoKraus: I played too much. Nov 25 23:25
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schestowitz Oh gads… This Is Change? 20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in Obama’s White House < http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/10… > Nov 25 23:26
PetoKraus well obviously Nov 25 23:26
PetoKraus doh Nov 25 23:26
schestowitz More sweatshop treaty advocates… well… it could be worse… with Palin in power there would be slaughtering! :-) Nov 25 23:26
PetoKraus who did actually expect change? Nov 25 23:27
PetoKraus schestowitz: nah, just pr0n Nov 25 23:27
schestowitz GIMPed Nov 25 23:27
PetoKraus :) Nov 25 23:27
PetoKraus well, that’s unusually good pun ;) Nov 25 23:27
schestowitz *LOL* “The Bush forces generals say that withdrawing the Bush from Iraq is impossible because it would take too much time to pull out all the expensive equipment they have put in place.” < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-se… > Nov 25 23:27
MinceR automatic frees your attention to things that actually matter Nov 25 23:28
PetoKraus MinceR: like scenery? Nov 25 23:28
MinceR like traffic Nov 25 23:28
schestowitz MinceR: That’s why Linux rules. Nov 25 23:28
schestowitz Windows = dysfunctional wizards (stick shift) Nov 25 23:28
PetoKraus MinceR: you just ignore the traffic. Especially in burnout ;) Nov 25 23:28
MinceR if you can afford a tank, yes Nov 25 23:29
MinceR but i don’t think performance is much of an issue then Nov 25 23:29
PetoKraus hah Nov 25 23:29
PetoKraus i guess i should try playing UFO:ai tomorrow Nov 25 23:29
*MinceR wants a tank with a serial hybrid engine Nov 25 23:29
neighborlee_ change is bush gone and obama in..thats all the change we need to know ;) Nov 25 23:30
schestowitz BinIAA is in too. Nov 25 23:31
schestowitz Biden &$& MAFIAA Nov 25 23:31
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PetoKraus hmm this is weird but Nov 25 23:34
PetoKraus i don’t think multicultural, or, multiracial society really helps Nov 25 23:34
PetoKraus my attitude towards different cultures went actually quite down since I came here first time. Maybe it’s caused by unpleasant experience Nov 25 23:37
MinceR the main problem is that they’re all human Nov 25 23:37
PetoKraus yes they obviously are Nov 25 23:37
PetoKraus it’s just, in slovakia, i’d be actually happy to talk to someone different Nov 25 23:38
PetoKraus it happened to me few times, i even abandoned my route and guided some indian guys to the place they were looking for Nov 25 23:38
*schestowitz thinks that Matt Peckham guy from PC World seems to be doing lots of MS boosting Nov 25 23:39
PetoKraus here, in britain, it’s too messy though… it ceases to be funny when you wanna seriously shout at someone because your internet is not working or your gas bill is to high Nov 25 23:39
PetoKraus and you can’t understand a thing what they are saying! Nov 25 23:40
PetoKraus i mean, I have no problems understanding scotsmen after a year, for goodness sake Nov 25 23:40
PetoKraus i hope it’s just temporal…. Nov 25 23:40
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PetoKraus i guess someone is filtering my traffic and punishing me for my opinions by 4sec lag Nov 25 23:43
schestowitz Apple Sued Over iPhone Browser < http://www.pcworld.com/article/154491… > Nov 25 23:44
PetoKraus oh god Nov 25 23:45
PetoKraus software patent Nov 25 23:45
schestowitz LinuxToday is teh br0ken Nov 25 23:53
schestowitz http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php… Nov 25 23:53
schestowitz Oh, wait… it;s bad and it’s super-slow. Nov 25 23:54
MinceR gn Nov 25 23:56
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  19. 29,000 Blog Posts and Recent Site Improvements

    Over 29,000 blog posts have been posted here, but more importantly we've made the site a lot more robust and resilient, accessible in more formats and protocols (while improving transparency, too)



  20. [Meme] Trump is Out. Now It's Time to Pressure the Biden Administration/Transition Team on Software Freedom Issues.

    The Biden transition is in motion and tentative appointments are underway, based on news reports (see our Daily Links); now is the time to put pressure, e.g. in the form of public backlash, to ensure it's not just another corporate presidency



  21. Boycott ZDNet Unless You Fancy Being Lied to

    ZDNet's Catalin Cimpanu continues to lead the way with misinformation and lies, basically doing whatever he was doing to land that job at ZDNet (after he had done the same elsewhere)



  22. The UPC and Unitary Patent Song

    On goes the UPC symphony, as the Unified Patent Court (UPC) is almost here, always coming "real soon!"



  23. Open Letter to the German Greens on UPC and Software Patents: Don’t Betray Your Voters and Your Promises, or You Will Regret it

    Dear Members of the German Greens in the Bundestag. By Benjamin HENRION.



  24. [Meme] One Step Away From Replacing Patent Examiners With 'Hey Hi' (AI)

    If it's not legal for 'Hey Hi' (AI) to get a patent, why should it be legal for patents to be granted by those who are invisible (and sometimes in de facto house arrest)?



  25. European Patent Office (EPO) Reduced to 'Justice Over the Telephone' and Decree by E-mail

    The EPO is trashing the EPC and everything that the Office was supposed to stand for, as it wrongly assumes demand for monopolies (typically from foreign corporations) comes before the rule of law and Europe's public interest



  26. Making Free Software Work for Users

    The latest reply to a non-developer concerned about software freedom; guest post by figosdev



  27. IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, November 25, 2020

    IRC logs for Wednesday, November 25, 2020



  28. Links 26/11/2020: AV Linux 2020.11.23 and Blender 2.91 Release

    Links for the day



  29. Links 25/11/2020: GamerOS and Biden Transition in Motion

    Links for the day



  30. An Orwellian December

    With December around the corner and states tightening the screws on the population (or employers on employees) at least we can look forward to spring


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