Comments on: Happy Thanksgiving

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:58:48 +0000

In practice, inside Novell in particular, Mono is routinely used for C#/Gtk development.

By: AlexH

AlexH — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:54:36 +0000

Including that Mono can be used to develop stuff not in the “Microsoft way”, unless Microsoft adopted Gtk+ / Qt while I wasn’t looking.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:53:33 +0000

Yes, the dissimilarities are not perfect.

By: AlexH

AlexH — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:46:06 +0000

@Roy: except that’s not true either. E.g., Samba’s BDC support is nothing like MS’ version.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:41:57 +0000

Let me state my point more clearly as I seem to be miscomprehended. Mono is used to create content the ‘Microsoft way’. Samba merely treats things in existence, much like wine.

By: AlexH

AlexH — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:10:03 +0000

Mono doesn’t include solely MS “APIs / protocols”. So that argument obviously doesn’t work.

As empirical evidence, try running Tomboy on Windows without installed the free software APIs.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:04:16 +0000

Samba treats existing protocols. Mono and Novell encourage development using Microsoft APIs (‘protocols’).

By: Ian

Ian — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:39:06 +0000

You said Mono mimics Microsoft(.net). I’m saying Samba mimics CIFS. I don’t see what’s flawed. It’s not a bash on Samba, it just is what it is. Samba reacts to what Microsoft does with their CIFS protocols, not the other way around.

That article mentions patents, which neither you nor I mention in the two previous posts.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:25:23 +0000

Yes, but that's a flawed comparison.

By: Ian

Ian — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:21:44 +0000

It mimics Microsoft, just as the name “mono” (monkey) suggests. Therefore it is controlled by Microsoft, not to mention Microsoft’s close partner, Novell (copyrights holder).

So does Samba.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:29:55 +0000

Believing this is akin to believing that Iraq is an independent country.

By: AlexH

AlexH — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:26:21 +0000

You’ve been given plenty of examples of Mono technologies that are not present in .net before, including Simd, Posix, Cecil, Gnome#, and a host of other APIs.

Yes, it is byte-code compatible with .net and comes with the same basic library. Yes, there are higher level libraries which are also MS compatible. But no, it’s not ‘controlled by Microsoft’.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:09:49 +0000

It mimics Microsoft, just as the name “mono” (monkey) suggests. Therefore it is controlled by Microsoft, not to mention Microsoft’s close partner, Novell (copyrights holder).

By: AlexH

AlexH — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:05:37 +0000

No, I don’t neglect it, I accept it without question.

I’m not willing to use it as justification to attack e.g. Mono, though. Mono’s future cannot be controlled by Microsoft; it is free software.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:53:36 +0000

I was referring to things like neglecting Microsoft’s pattern of behaviour. Jeff Waugh has the same type of problem and so does Miguel de Icaza.

By: AlexH

AlexH — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:27:57 +0000

@Roy: that’s completely untrue. E.g., “Mono has patent problems” – that meme/FUD gets repeated here on a regular basis, and I help show people how it’s wrong.

What happens is that you, and others, attempt to defend the FUD by saying things like “Oh, you’re supporting software patents!”, or “MS have been nasty before so Mono must have problems”. When I point out that your facts are wrong, you call it “nit-picking” because I don’t take on your conclusions.

The problem is that your conclusions don’t follow from the facts.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:26:10 +0000

Alex side-steps all the big questions and instead addresses pet peeves or minor inaccuracies.

By: RyanT

RyanT — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:54:26 +0000

How do you do it Goblin, posting completely irrelevant remarks and insults about someone who has been right more than wrong?

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:30:14 +0000

And after getting angry at SA’s attorneys general…

Can you elaborate on that?

By: Michael

Michael — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:25:33 +0000

Ahh, nice friendly banter to lighten my morning coffee. Can’t you just “feel the love”? Do you guys want a private room?

*chuckle*

And after getting angry at SA’s attorneys general for being a complete dick head, I only come over here to get all my angriness-at-something out in one go this morning.