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	<title>Comments on: Quick Mention: Novell is Helping Microsoft OOXML Again</title>
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		<title>By: G. Michaels</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-37/#comment-42839</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I shall flag your comments&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s OK Roy, you need to do what you think is appropriate. Your &lt;i&gt;readers&lt;/i&gt; can look at my posts and decide if they represent stalking or helpful warnings, and whether or not they&#039;re willing to trust someone who readily enlists the aid of liars and hypocrites to promote their website - and more importantly, to engage in attacks on other people here and elsewhere.

The targets of your constant attacks (and I&#039;m referring here to &lt;b&gt;people&lt;/b&gt;, not corporations) know who you are, so they know who is smearing them and they can choose to defend themselves if they see fit to do so. But they&#039;re not necessarily aware of members of your club who, having been pushed and laughed out of other communities for disruptive behavior, now run around the internet and do the same with (apparently) your consent while hiding behind who-knows how many false identities. Not to mention the petty insults.

I wonder where you took a wrong turn and went from informing people about your chosen cause, to attacking anyone and everyone who doesn&#039;t march to the same drum you think is correct?

Your red tag is your argument that what I say here is not welcome by your &lt;i&gt;readers&lt;/i&gt;, and that&#039;s OK. So far I believe otherwise. I will stop when that ceases to be the case.

And heck, who knows. I might even say something on topic now and then. 
Of course the responses I see you have for other people rather lead me to believe that &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; other than gushing praise and robotic consent is welcome here, so I&#039;m not sure what the point of that would be. Cop-outs like &quot;oh you must work for Microsoft&quot; or insulting attacks and smears from your nymshifter friends and collaborators are enough proof of that.

But this is your blog, and that&#039;s your problem. What your collaborators and boosters do in your name elsewhere is everybody&#039;s problem, unfortunately.

&lt;font color=&quot;#ff0000&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Note&lt;/b&gt;: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/25/jose-on-mono/#comment-39320&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;documented here&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I shall flag your comments</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s OK Roy, you need to do what you think is appropriate. Your <i>readers</i> can look at my posts and decide if they represent stalking or helpful warnings, and whether or not they&#8217;re willing to trust someone who readily enlists the aid of liars and hypocrites to promote their website &#8211; and more importantly, to engage in attacks on other people here and elsewhere.</p>
<p>The targets of your constant attacks (and I&#8217;m referring here to <b>people</b>, not corporations) know who you are, so they know who is smearing them and they can choose to defend themselves if they see fit to do so. But they&#8217;re not necessarily aware of members of your club who, having been pushed and laughed out of other communities for disruptive behavior, now run around the internet and do the same with (apparently) your consent while hiding behind who-knows how many false identities. Not to mention the petty insults.</p>
<p>I wonder where you took a wrong turn and went from informing people about your chosen cause, to attacking anyone and everyone who doesn&#8217;t march to the same drum you think is correct?</p>
<p>Your red tag is your argument that what I say here is not welcome by your <i>readers</i>, and that&#8217;s OK. So far I believe otherwise. I will stop when that ceases to be the case.</p>
<p>And heck, who knows. I might even say something on topic now and then.<br />
Of course the responses I see you have for other people rather lead me to believe that <i>nothing</i> other than gushing praise and robotic consent is welcome here, so I&#8217;m not sure what the point of that would be. Cop-outs like &#8220;oh you must work for Microsoft&#8221; or insulting attacks and smears from your nymshifter friends and collaborators are enough proof of that.</p>
<p>But this is your blog, and that&#8217;s your problem. What your collaborators and boosters do in your name elsewhere is everybody&#8217;s problem, unfortunately.</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000"><b>Note</b>: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/25/jose-on-mono/#comment-39320" rel="nofollow">documented here</a>.</font></p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-36/#comment-42811</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G. Michaels,

&lt;blockquote&gt;
In my (humble) opinion this person should not be taken seriously. Neither should I...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That sums it up. Your comments were never on topic and I shall flag your comments for being just personal attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G. Michaels,</p>
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In my (humble) opinion this person should not be taken seriously. Neither should I&#8230;
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<p>That sums it up. Your comments were never on topic and I shall flag your comments for being just personal attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: RyanT</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-36/#comment-42746</link>
		<dc:creator>RyanT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The initial thing that started this argument seems to me a misunderstanding on AlexH&#039;s part.

Roy never said anything about problems with the free software definition, or that the GPL practically is the free software definition. He simply said &quot;poisonware&quot; was not mutually exclusive to free software. This does not suggest a problem with initial definition i.e. there is some loophole in the definition that needs to be addressed, no different than an effeminate man does not necessarily mean a problem in the biological definition of a male.

The intent was that poisonware itself is a corruption of free software - something that masquerades under the ideals, or seems to adhere to the ideals, when in actuality is intended as a way to lure users/developers to another platform. Similar in concept to a trojan horse, or more fitting, a delicious but poisoned cake.

And before anyone starts, this is not a statement in support of either side - just clearing a misunderstanding that seemed to happen at the beginning of the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The initial thing that started this argument seems to me a misunderstanding on AlexH&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>Roy never said anything about problems with the free software definition, or that the GPL practically is the free software definition. He simply said &#8220;poisonware&#8221; was not mutually exclusive to free software. This does not suggest a problem with initial definition i.e. there is some loophole in the definition that needs to be addressed, no different than an effeminate man does not necessarily mean a problem in the biological definition of a male.</p>
<p>The intent was that poisonware itself is a corruption of free software &#8211; something that masquerades under the ideals, or seems to adhere to the ideals, when in actuality is intended as a way to lure users/developers to another platform. Similar in concept to a trojan horse, or more fitting, a delicious but poisoned cake.</p>
<p>And before anyone starts, this is not a statement in support of either side &#8211; just clearing a misunderstanding that seemed to happen at the beginning of the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Michaels</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-36/#comment-42743</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those BN readers who are not familiar with what&#039;s going on here, some context with which to consider the post above by &#039;twitter&#039; (the online persona of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hillnotes.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this guy&lt;/a&gt; and the &quot;heckling&quot; and &quot;nyms&quot; claims. &quot;twitter&quot; is well-known on Slashdot, where he operates &lt;a href=&quot;http://slashdot.org/~SockDisclosure/journal/214377&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;14 accounts&lt;/a&gt; used to shill and disrupt, as well as &lt;a href=&quot;http://sites.google.com/site/gordymichaels/thoughts-on-advocacy/slashdot-firehose&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;game&lt;/a&gt; the system to his advantage.

In my (humble) opinion this person should not be taken seriously. Neither should I, but then I&#039;m not pretending to be engaged in the discussion at hand.


&lt;font color=&quot;#ff0000&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Note&lt;/b&gt;: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/25/jose-on-mono/#comment-39320&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;documented here&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those BN readers who are not familiar with what&#8217;s going on here, some context with which to consider the post above by &#8216;twitter&#8217; (the online persona of <a href="http://www.hillnotes.net/" rel="nofollow">this guy</a> and the &#8220;heckling&#8221; and &#8220;nyms&#8221; claims. &#8220;twitter&#8221; is well-known on Slashdot, where he operates <a href="http://slashdot.org/~SockDisclosure/journal/214377" rel="nofollow">14 accounts</a> used to shill and disrupt, as well as <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/gordymichaels/thoughts-on-advocacy/slashdot-firehose" rel="nofollow">game</a> the system to his advantage.</p>
<p>In my (humble) opinion this person should not be taken seriously. Neither should I, but then I&#8217;m not pretending to be engaged in the discussion at hand.</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000"><b>Note</b>: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/25/jose-on-mono/#comment-39320" rel="nofollow">documented here</a>.</font></p>
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		<title>By: stevetheFLY</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-36/#comment-42742</link>
		<dc:creator>stevetheFLY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lengthy blahblah about how evil it is doesn&#039;t change that we unfortunately still need to open the files in the format people actually use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lengthy blahblah about how evil it is doesn&#8217;t change that we unfortunately still need to open the files in the format people actually use.</p>
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		<title>By: twitter</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-36/#comment-42739</link>
		<dc:creator>twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is stupid for free software people to waste time on OOXML development and distribution.  OOXML is an unworkable failure and patent threats outweigh any benefit.  Only Novell and other M$ bribe buddy people have a reason to promote OOXML, and even their &quot;protection&quot; does not last forever.  The purpose of OOXML is to maintain M$&#039;s failing file format dominance, something every free software advocate should fight.  M$ should be forced to support ODF, HTML and other reasonable standards instead.  

OOXML is both a marketing and technical failure.  It is a technical failure by design, as was M$&#039;s previous binary formats.  OOXML allows binary inclusions and inherits all of the contradictions of multiple versions of M$ Office without sufficient instructions to resolve them.  At its worst, it includes references to the printed output from older versions of Word as such without actual measurements of print or instructions that make a difference, such as printer and fonts used.  This is why ISO&#039;s OOXML specification is more than 7,000 pages long and completely unworkable.  No version of it will ever work better than Word did, and that&#039;s the point, M$ Word will be the defacto standard for people dumb enough to accept OOXML.  The problem for M$ is that people are not so stupid and are not using OOXML, even if they use M$ Office.  Free software users are even less likely to use it.

What&#039;s more important than that for free software users is that parts of OOXML are under M$&#039;s patent threat.  While recent US  decisions are undoing this threat, the mechanism of patent enforcement are still strong enough to cause considerable damage to distributions that use OOXML.  Until software patents are abolished, they can still be used to halt distribution and cost &quot;unlicensed&quot; distributions plenty of money.  

These things are obvious when you think about them.  You guys can split hairs about who&#039;s doing what, OOXML will never be workable.  The details, including the rather mindless heckling seen in 100+  comments above, all support the general contention:  M$ is evil and everything from should be avoided.  If M$ wanted to &quot;interoperate&quot; they would GPL their code and use reasonable standards instead of filling the world with bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is stupid for free software people to waste time on OOXML development and distribution.  OOXML is an unworkable failure and patent threats outweigh any benefit.  Only Novell and other M$ bribe buddy people have a reason to promote OOXML, and even their &#8220;protection&#8221; does not last forever.  The purpose of OOXML is to maintain M$&#8217;s failing file format dominance, something every free software advocate should fight.  M$ should be forced to support ODF, HTML and other reasonable standards instead.  </p>
<p>OOXML is both a marketing and technical failure.  It is a technical failure by design, as was M$&#8217;s previous binary formats.  OOXML allows binary inclusions and inherits all of the contradictions of multiple versions of M$ Office without sufficient instructions to resolve them.  At its worst, it includes references to the printed output from older versions of Word as such without actual measurements of print or instructions that make a difference, such as printer and fonts used.  This is why ISO&#8217;s OOXML specification is more than 7,000 pages long and completely unworkable.  No version of it will ever work better than Word did, and that&#8217;s the point, M$ Word will be the defacto standard for people dumb enough to accept OOXML.  The problem for M$ is that people are not so stupid and are not using OOXML, even if they use M$ Office.  Free software users are even less likely to use it.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more important than that for free software users is that parts of OOXML are under M$&#8217;s patent threat.  While recent US  decisions are undoing this threat, the mechanism of patent enforcement are still strong enough to cause considerable damage to distributions that use OOXML.  Until software patents are abolished, they can still be used to halt distribution and cost &#8220;unlicensed&#8221; distributions plenty of money.  </p>
<p>These things are obvious when you think about them.  You guys can split hairs about who&#8217;s doing what, OOXML will never be workable.  The details, including the rather mindless heckling seen in 100+  comments above, all support the general contention:  M$ is evil and everything from should be avoided.  If M$ wanted to &#8220;interoperate&#8221; they would GPL their code and use reasonable standards instead of filling the world with bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-35/#comment-42707</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Roy: no-one&#039;s saying that it&#039;s prevalent, it&#039;s not.

The reality is, though, that many people &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; using the format - knowingly or not.

In order to get off the format, you have to be able to convert documents in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roy: no-one&#8217;s saying that it&#8217;s prevalent, it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>The reality is, though, that many people <em>are</em> using the format &#8211; knowingly or not.</p>
<p>In order to get off the format, you have to be able to convert documents in it.</p>
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		<title>By: stevetheFLY</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-35/#comment-42692</link>
		<dc:creator>stevetheFLY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, don&#039;t be ridiculous.

&lt;font color=&quot;#ff0000&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Note&lt;/b&gt;: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abusive&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet troll&lt;/a&gt; that posts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/&quot; title=&quot;The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;open proxies and relays around the world&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, don&#8217;t be ridiculous.</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000"><b>Note</b>: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/" rel="nofollow">abusive</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" rel="nofollow">Internet troll</a> that posts from <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/" title="The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities" rel="nofollow">open proxies and relays around the world</a>.</font></p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-35/#comment-42673</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What upsets me is the apologists&#039; transformation of market share for Office into the preconceived idea of OOXML prevalence. They are helping Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What upsets me is the apologists&#8217; transformation of market share for Office into the preconceived idea of OOXML prevalence. They are helping Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: SubSonica</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-35/#comment-42668</link>
		<dc:creator>SubSonica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSOOXML is not so widelyused as Microsoft would like (And would like you to think). In more than 4 years I have received only 1 email containing docx at work, and one excel file that I had the user instructed how to save as the legacy format. I don&#039;t think MS had the success it wanted with their new format. Lots of people are still using the old formats of Office 2000 or switching to OpenOffice.org.
On the other hand I see more and more sites publishing documents in ODF format (specially presentations and handbooks), along with PDF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSOOXML is not so widelyused as Microsoft would like (And would like you to think). In more than 4 years I have received only 1 email containing docx at work, and one excel file that I had the user instructed how to save as the legacy format. I don&#8217;t think MS had the success it wanted with their new format. Lots of people are still using the old formats of Office 2000 or switching to OpenOffice.org.<br />
On the other hand I see more and more sites publishing documents in ODF format (specially presentations and handbooks), along with PDF.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-35/#comment-42656</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whether or not you like the docx format, people have a large amount of their data in that format. As application developers, the OOo, KOffice, GNOME Office, etc developers should support at least reading the OOXML format.

It would be extremely handy if the office suites handled saving in that format as well, but for now isn&#039;t a requirement (and may never become a requirement, depending on how MS Office w/ ODF support plays out). So long as there exists a file format that can be universally read/written, read-only support for OOXML may be good enough. Currently that universal format is the old .doc format, but maybe it will become ODF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of whether or not you like the docx format, people have a large amount of their data in that format. As application developers, the OOo, KOffice, GNOME Office, etc developers should support at least reading the OOXML format.</p>
<p>It would be extremely handy if the office suites handled saving in that format as well, but for now isn&#8217;t a requirement (and may never become a requirement, depending on how MS Office w/ ODF support plays out). So long as there exists a file format that can be universally read/written, read-only support for OOXML may be good enough. Currently that universal format is the old .doc format, but maybe it will become ODF.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-34/#comment-42651</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one in Windows land calls it docx. Everyone I have ever dealt with in business calls it &quot;word document&quot; like AlexH and steve have already mentioned.

Half the time when I ask for a word document, I get docx these days. Luckily I can read them with OOo. When I make my changes and send it back, I can usually get away with sneakily re-saving as .doc and therefor &quot;trick&quot; them into continuing further back-and-forths using the old binary .doc format.

In the past I&#039;ve tried asking people who sent docx to save as the old .doc format instead, but that generally ended up as an exercise in futility so have given up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one in Windows land calls it docx. Everyone I have ever dealt with in business calls it &#8220;word document&#8221; like AlexH and steve have already mentioned.</p>
<p>Half the time when I ask for a word document, I get docx these days. Luckily I can read them with OOo. When I make my changes and send it back, I can usually get away with sneakily re-saving as .doc and therefor &#8220;trick&#8221; them into continuing further back-and-forths using the old binary .doc format.</p>
<p>In the past I&#8217;ve tried asking people who sent docx to save as the old .doc format instead, but that generally ended up as an exercise in futility so have given up.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-34/#comment-42643</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t put that in quotes. There are variations of that statement like &quot;I can&#039;t open it&quot; or &quot;what is docx?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t put that in quotes. There are variations of that statement like &#8220;I can&#8217;t open it&#8221; or &#8220;what is docx?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-34/#comment-42635</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have never, ever heard of anyone saying that. I suspect it&#039;s a Roy neologism.

Google finds three results for &quot;resend in binary&quot;, and one for s/in/as/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have never, ever heard of anyone saying that. I suspect it&#8217;s a Roy neologism.</p>
<p>Google finds three results for &#8220;resend in binary&#8221;, and one for s/in/as/.</p>
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		<title>By: stevetheFLY</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-34/#comment-42610</link>
		<dc:creator>stevetheFLY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As even users of Office say, resend as binary. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nah, I&#039;ve never heard them say that. They were astounded when I would tell them that I couldn&#039;t open their &#039;Word document&#039; and probably considered us a bit backward.

&lt;font color=&quot;#ff0000&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Note&lt;/b&gt;: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abusive&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet troll&lt;/a&gt; that posts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/&quot; title=&quot;The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;open proxies and relays around the world&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As even users of Office say, resend as binary. </p></blockquote>
<p>Nah, I&#8217;ve never heard them say that. They were astounded when I would tell them that I couldn&#8217;t open their &#8216;Word document&#8217; and probably considered us a bit backward.</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000"><b>Note</b>: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/" rel="nofollow">abusive</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" rel="nofollow">Internet troll</a> that posts from <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/" title="The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities" rel="nofollow">open proxies and relays around the world</a>.</font></p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-34/#comment-42597</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As even users of Office say, resend as binary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As even users of Office say, resend as binary.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-33/#comment-42583</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Roy: that&#039;s great for sending people stuck on Office your document. It&#039;s useless for reading those .docxs that people create and/or send you.

Remember, users don&#039;t say &quot;.doc file&quot; or &quot;Office 2003 XML&quot;, etc. They say &quot;Word document&quot;: to them, it&#039;s all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roy: that&#8217;s great for sending people stuck on Office your document. It&#8217;s useless for reading those .docxs that people create and/or send you.</p>
<p>Remember, users don&#8217;t say &#8220;.doc file&#8221; or &#8220;Office 2003 XML&#8221;, etc. They say &#8220;Word document&#8221;: to them, it&#8217;s all the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-33/#comment-42580</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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ODF doesn’t stand a chance - believe me, not a chance - if the key ODF apps are not compatible with the market leader.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They are. They typically support the binary formats.</description>
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ODF doesn’t stand a chance &#8211; believe me, not a chance &#8211; if the key ODF apps are not compatible with the market leader.
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<p>They are. They typically support the binary formats.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-33/#comment-42579</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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ActiveX is optional
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tell this to people whose intranet/bank requires it.</description>
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ActiveX is optional
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<p>Tell this to people whose intranet/bank requires it.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/03/novell-is-helping-ooxml/comment-page-33/#comment-42577</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, it&#039;s a lovely idea that you could ignore what format Office writes, but right now it&#039;s cloud cuckoo-land.

ODF doesn&#039;t stand a chance - believe me, not &lt;em&gt;a chance&lt;/em&gt; - if the key ODF apps are not compatible with the market leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, it&#8217;s a lovely idea that you could ignore what format Office writes, but right now it&#8217;s cloud cuckoo-land.</p>
<p>ODF doesn&#8217;t stand a chance &#8211; believe me, not <em>a chance</em> &#8211; if the key ODF apps are not compatible with the market leader.</p>
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