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	<title>Comments on: Novell Employee Pushes OpenSUSE Announcement Into Linux/News Sites</title>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-27/#comment-53550</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not irrelevant. That&#039;s just your point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not irrelevant. That&#8217;s just your point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bell</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-27/#comment-53457</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy, Linux patches fix security holes and Windows patches fix security holes.  If you don&#039;t harden your Linux box you run the risk of getting hacked.  If you don&#039;t harden a Windows box you run the risk of getting hacked.  Windows and Linux are insecure if you don&#039;t take the time to do things right.  Where Windows is weak is certainly at the virus level and the spyware level.  

The point that people are making and that we are going round and round about is that this article is written as if Novell is the only distro producer whod does this when it has been shown that others do it as well.  Having a double standard of making it seem Novell is wrong when they do one thing and other distros are right when they do the same thing is dishonest.  It is irrelevant as to whether this site is only about Novell or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy, Linux patches fix security holes and Windows patches fix security holes.  If you don&#8217;t harden your Linux box you run the risk of getting hacked.  If you don&#8217;t harden a Windows box you run the risk of getting hacked.  Windows and Linux are insecure if you don&#8217;t take the time to do things right.  Where Windows is weak is certainly at the virus level and the spyware level.  </p>
<p>The point that people are making and that we are going round and round about is that this article is written as if Novell is the only distro producer whod does this when it has been shown that others do it as well.  Having a double standard of making it seem Novell is wrong when they do one thing and other distros are right when they do the same thing is dishonest.  It is irrelevant as to whether this site is only about Novell or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-27/#comment-53419</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was just a quick analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was just a quick analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-27/#comment-53413</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft miscounting their security bugs does not make Novell&#039;s submittal of the openSUSE 11.1 release to Linux news sites devious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft miscounting their security bugs does not make Novell&#8217;s submittal of the openSUSE 11.1 release to Linux news sites devious.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-27/#comment-53408</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the issue is that Microsoft lies and miscounts. I covered this here many times before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the issue is that Microsoft lies and miscounts. I covered this here many times before.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-26/#comment-53407</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By that logic, it is improper to say that Windows is not secure because Linux gets some patches sometimes too.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not quite.

By that logic, it would be improper to point and laugh at Windows for security failings if the exact same number of critical issues were found in the same month

We&#039;re at the root of the question of &quot;double standards&quot;, which you&#039;ve demonstrated you either don&#039;t understand or condone. You don&#039;t say &quot;Alice sucks because foo&quot; when standing next to Bob and Carol who also foo - it makes you look, well, bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By that logic, it is improper to say that Windows is not secure because Linux gets some patches sometimes too.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not quite.</p>
<p>By that logic, it would be improper to point and laugh at Windows for security failings if the exact same number of critical issues were found in the same month</p>
<p>We&#8217;re at the root of the question of &#8220;double standards&#8221;, which you&#8217;ve demonstrated you either don&#8217;t understand or condone. You don&#8217;t say &#8220;Alice sucks because foo&#8221; when standing next to Bob and Carol who also foo &#8211; it makes you look, well, bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-26/#comment-53404</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By that logic, it is improper to say that Windows is not secure because Linux gets some patches sometimes too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By that logic, it is improper to say that Windows is not secure because Linux gets some patches sometimes too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-26/#comment-53401</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know this, Roy. But you never admit defeat or error, so round and round we go.

Sigh.

The entire post is distorted, in an effort to make it appear Novell employing people who work on openSUSE (specifically in community management roles) is out of the ordinary or wrong.

People have attempted (and seemingly failed) to hammer home the point that EVERY major distro does this - and both the other commercially-backed distros have paid staffers who do EXACTLY the same thing as Novell did here.

Except in whatever passes for reality here on BN, when Red Hat does it it&#039;s fine, and when Novell does it there&#039;s &quot;pressure&quot; or &quot;pushing&quot;

If you don&#039;t understand why you&#039;re in the wrong, then you&#039;ll never understand just what it is that makes BN such a failure as a resource</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know this, Roy. But you never admit defeat or error, so round and round we go.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>The entire post is distorted, in an effort to make it appear Novell employing people who work on openSUSE (specifically in community management roles) is out of the ordinary or wrong.</p>
<p>People have attempted (and seemingly failed) to hammer home the point that EVERY major distro does this &#8211; and both the other commercially-backed distros have paid staffers who do EXACTLY the same thing as Novell did here.</p>
<p>Except in whatever passes for reality here on BN, when Red Hat does it it&#8217;s fine, and when Novell does it there&#8217;s &#8220;pressure&#8221; or &#8220;pushing&#8221;</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t understand why you&#8217;re in the wrong, then you&#8217;ll never understand just what it is that makes BN such a failure as a resource</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-26/#comment-53396</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please show me where in the OP reality was &quot;distorted&quot; by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please show me where in the OP reality was &#8220;distorted&#8221; by me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-26/#comment-53395</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not nice of you to distort reality, Roy, but there we go. By now I accept it as inevitable, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not nice of you to distort reality, Roy, but there we go. By now I accept it as inevitable, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-25/#comment-53394</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s not nice of you to suggest that I distort reality, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s not nice of you to suggest that I distort reality, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-25/#comment-53393</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-25/#comment-53388</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Reality distortion on one’s payroll is propaganda under a softer name. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So under whose payroll do you distort reality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Reality distortion on one’s payroll is propaganda under a softer name. </p></blockquote>
<p>So under whose payroll do you distort reality?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bell</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-25/#comment-53387</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You beg to differ that other distros employ community managers?  Two have already been named.  And if Zonker does things differently doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s wrong or even pushing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You beg to differ that other distros employ community managers?  Two have already been named.  And if Zonker does things differently doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s wrong or even pushing.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-25/#comment-53385</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
He’s talking about changing the world, not ignoring reality.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Reality distortion on one&#039;s payroll is propaganda under a softer name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
He’s talking about changing the world, not ignoring reality.
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<p>Reality distortion on one&#8217;s payroll is propaganda under a softer name.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-24/#comment-53384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Facts are much more pleasing to the eye than True Facts though, aren&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Facts are much more pleasing to the eye than True Facts though, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-24/#comment-53383</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s talking about changing the world, not ignoring reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s talking about changing the world, not ignoring reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-24/#comment-53380</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;font size=&quot;4&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;People said I should accept the world. Bullshit! I don&#039;t accept the world.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;p align=&quot;right&quot;&gt;
                                --&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Richard Stallman&lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font size="4"><em>&#8220;People said I should accept the world. Bullshit! I don&#8217;t accept the world.&#8221;</em></font></p>
<p align="right">
                                &#8211;<font size="3">Richard Stallman</font>
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<p> <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-24/#comment-53379</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You beg to differ with reality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You beg to differ with reality?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/zonker-boosting-watch/comment-page-24/#comment-53378</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to differ, but that&#039;s another discussion we could have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ, but that&#8217;s another discussion we could have.</p>
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