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	<title>Comments on: Linux Foundation Detoxicated &#8212; Slightly &#8212; from Novell Influence</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Asay</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-5/#comment-52818</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Asay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy pinged me to ask why I had changed the headline.  As I explained to him, and as he notes above, CNET changed the headline, as it sometimes does.  I don&#039;t know the rhyme or reason for why its editors change my headlines - sometimes my headlines are too long, sometimes not really accurate, etc. - but in this case, CNET changed the headline, not me.  I haven&#039;t been pressured by Novell - ever - though a year or two ago Novell was kind enough to take time to talk me through its position.  

I still fundamentally disagree with Novell on some of the the things it has done (e.g., the patent covenant with Microsoft), but I think it&#039;s getting better, and I believe some other things that it is doing are truly positive developments (like the opening up of the openSUSE development process).  

In short, I&#039;ve become more open to Novell&#039;s perspective, but not due to any pressure.  

That said, I *do* appreciate Roy&#039;s perspective, even when I strongly disagree with his conclusions.  It&#039;s important to hear all sides.  Including Microsoft&#039;s.  Including Roy&#039;s.  That&#039;s how we figure out what&#039;s right: the thing that makes sense after hearing all sides is truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy pinged me to ask why I had changed the headline.  As I explained to him, and as he notes above, CNET changed the headline, as it sometimes does.  I don&#8217;t know the rhyme or reason for why its editors change my headlines &#8211; sometimes my headlines are too long, sometimes not really accurate, etc. &#8211; but in this case, CNET changed the headline, not me.  I haven&#8217;t been pressured by Novell &#8211; ever &#8211; though a year or two ago Novell was kind enough to take time to talk me through its position.  </p>
<p>I still fundamentally disagree with Novell on some of the the things it has done (e.g., the patent covenant with Microsoft), but I think it&#8217;s getting better, and I believe some other things that it is doing are truly positive developments (like the opening up of the openSUSE development process).  </p>
<p>In short, I&#8217;ve become more open to Novell&#8217;s perspective, but not due to any pressure.  </p>
<p>That said, I *do* appreciate Roy&#8217;s perspective, even when I strongly disagree with his conclusions.  It&#8217;s important to hear all sides.  Including Microsoft&#8217;s.  Including Roy&#8217;s.  That&#8217;s how we figure out what&#8217;s right: the thing that makes sense after hearing all sides is truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bell</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-5/#comment-52409</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy,

Isn&#039;t that exactly what you do?  You take a large piece of an article, look for the small piece that fits your ideals and then post that part.  When your post is scrutinized and rebutted you call us hecklers.  As I have said before, you have every right to voice your displeasure with Novell but you can&#039;t just make things up or take things out of context and not expect people to rebut your arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy,</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that exactly what you do?  You take a large piece of an article, look for the small piece that fits your ideals and then post that part.  When your post is scrutinized and rebutted you call us hecklers.  As I have said before, you have every right to voice your displeasure with Novell but you can&#8217;t just make things up or take things out of context and not expect people to rebut your arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-5/#comment-52275</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s your opinion. From this perspective the evidence you present often doesn&#039;t stand up to much scrutiny, and the whole post falls down like a stack of cards. When you&#039;re making accusations against companies / projects / people, it&#039;s only fair to be accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s your opinion. From this perspective the evidence you present often doesn&#8217;t stand up to much scrutiny, and the whole post falls down like a stack of cards. When you&#8217;re making accusations against companies / projects / people, it&#8217;s only fair to be accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-5/#comment-52201</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem at all with you guys as this is not related directly to Novell&#039;s decisions that I disagree with.  It&#039;s just that your comments are a constant stream of nothing but criticism. You pick small bits of much larger posts and take them apart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem at all with you guys as this is not related directly to Novell&#8217;s decisions that I disagree with.  It&#8217;s just that your comments are a constant stream of nothing but criticism. You pick small bits of much larger posts and take them apart.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-4/#comment-52196</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-4/#comment-52191</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll change that.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-4/#comment-52190</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time enough for some name-calling, though.

But not enough time to fix the blog post above which is still making nonsense suggestions shown to be false.

Priorities, priorities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time enough for some name-calling, though.</p>
<p>But not enough time to fix the blog post above which is still making nonsense suggestions shown to be false.</p>
<p>Priorities, priorities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-4/#comment-52180</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I just don&#039;t have the time to respond to all this. I&#039;m still just catching up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I just don&#8217;t have the time to respond to all this. I&#8217;m still just catching up.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-4/#comment-52177</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Resorting to calling people names is generally a sure sign of having lost the argument on the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Resorting to calling people names is generally a sure sign of having lost the argument on the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-3/#comment-52163</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re like a group of gremlins, aren&#039;t you? Either way, I was at a  Christmas party and you left a mess here while I was absent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re like a group of gremlins, aren&#8217;t you? Either way, I was at a  Christmas party and you left a mess here while I was absent.</p>
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		<title>By: jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-3/#comment-52150</link>
		<dc:creator>jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is plainly also clear is that the people running this site don’t have any interest in actually solving the problems,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=237

&lt;blockquote&gt;they’re just hoping Novell are going to somehow disappear at some point.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wonder who they&#039;ll move on to assassinating next if that happens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is plainly also clear is that the people running this site don’t have any interest in actually solving the problems,</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=237" rel="nofollow">http://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=237</a></p>
<blockquote><p>they’re just hoping Novell are going to somehow disappear at some point.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder who they&#8217;ll move on to assassinating next if that happens</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-3/#comment-52149</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well. I don&#039;t find it impossible that Novell could do something injurious to the community, and (for example) if they were licensing Microsoft patents that would be hugely problematic.

And I find their Moonlight player problematic as well: if Fedora are not willing to include that in their distribution, that&#039;s worrying.

So it&#039;s not like there aren&#039;t issues which need to be addressed. But these are needles in a haystack of &quot;ZOMG Novell videos on Youtube!&quot; and crass stories on GNOME, Ubuntu, etc.

What is plainly also clear is that the people running this site &lt;em&gt;don&#039;t have any interest in actually solving the problems&lt;/em&gt;, they&#039;re just hoping Novell are going to somehow disappear at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. I don&#8217;t find it impossible that Novell could do something injurious to the community, and (for example) if they were licensing Microsoft patents that would be hugely problematic.</p>
<p>And I find their Moonlight player problematic as well: if Fedora are not willing to include that in their distribution, that&#8217;s worrying.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not like there aren&#8217;t issues which need to be addressed. But these are needles in a haystack of &#8220;ZOMG Novell videos on Youtube!&#8221; and crass stories on GNOME, Ubuntu, etc.</p>
<p>What is plainly also clear is that the people running this site <em>don&#8217;t have any interest in actually solving the problems</em>, they&#8217;re just hoping Novell are going to somehow disappear at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-3/#comment-52148</link>
		<dc:creator>jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It doesn’t appear to be hard - to my mind, anyway - to remove the fiction without getting rid of the stuff which actually does have merit (e.g., the patent moves in Europe). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely - but not under the heading of &quot;Boycott Novell&quot; surely? At that point it&#039;s another &quot;No more swpatents plz&quot; site. Not that you can have too many of those. Not that BN has much to do with Novell that isn&#039;t fabricated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It doesn’t appear to be hard &#8211; to my mind, anyway &#8211; to remove the fiction without getting rid of the stuff which actually does have merit (e.g., the patent moves in Europe). </p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely &#8211; but not under the heading of &#8220;Boycott Novell&#8221; surely? At that point it&#8217;s another &#8220;No more swpatents plz&#8221; site. Not that you can have too many of those. Not that BN has much to do with Novell that isn&#8217;t fabricated.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-3/#comment-52145</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m not sure on what basis BN &quot;isn&#039;t real&quot; :)

I think the issue here is that amongst the small percentage of very good stories which appear here, there is a maelstrom of badly referenced rubbished. 

It doesn&#039;t appear to be hard - to my mind, anyway - to remove the fiction without getting rid of the stuff which actually does have merit (e.g., the patent moves in Europe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m not sure on what basis BN &#8220;isn&#8217;t real&#8221; <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think the issue here is that amongst the small percentage of very good stories which appear here, there is a maelstrom of badly referenced rubbished. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t appear to be hard &#8211; to my mind, anyway &#8211; to remove the fiction without getting rid of the stuff which actually does have merit (e.g., the patent moves in Europe).</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-2/#comment-52128</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t that the difference between real sites and BN? Rather than citing facts and letting people draw conclusions, BN cites conclusions &amp; hopes people make up facts to fill in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that the difference between real sites and BN? Rather than citing facts and letting people draw conclusions, BN cites conclusions &amp; hopes people make up facts to fill in?</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-2/#comment-52127</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan: we&#039;ve learned previously that the accuracy of what&#039;s posted is irrelevant. It&#039;s the conclusion that matters, and anything else is nitpicking and/or shooting the messenger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan: we&#8217;ve learned previously that the accuracy of what&#8217;s posted is irrelevant. It&#8217;s the conclusion that matters, and anything else is nitpicking and/or shooting the messenger.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-2/#comment-52123</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh huh, I see. Well, how about not making false accusations in the future? Then I wouldn&#039;t have to &quot;heckle&quot; you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh huh, I see. Well, how about not making false accusations in the future? Then I wouldn&#8217;t have to &#8220;heckle&#8221; you.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-2/#comment-52122</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not an article. Stop heckling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not an article. Stop heckling.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Brian</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-2/#comment-52121</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an inaccurate statement that warrants correction.

Or is it your hope that people read it in the article and skip over the comments where it was debunked?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an inaccurate statement that warrants correction.</p>
<p>Or is it your hope that people read it in the article and skip over the comments where it was debunked?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/19/linux-foundation-tso-as-cto/comment-page-1/#comment-52119</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a suggestion, not a statement, and it&#039;s debunked here in the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a suggestion, not a statement, and it&#8217;s debunked here in the comments.</p>
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