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	<title>Comments on: Mono is Only for Novell, Says Microsoft Ally</title>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-32/#comment-54249</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jose: look, plenty of people don&#039;t like MS&#039;s dev tools, and there are some who would never use any kind of IDE. Fair enough.

But let&#039;s be honest about the situation; developing Windows applications is much easier to get into than developing for free OSes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jose: look, plenty of people don&#8217;t like MS&#8217;s dev tools, and there are some who would never use any kind of IDE. Fair enough.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s be honest about the situation; developing Windows applications is much easier to get into than developing for free OSes.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-32/#comment-54248</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/23/second-class-novellsoft-ide/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;don&#039;t work well&lt;/a&gt;, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/23/second-class-novellsoft-ide/" rel="nofollow">don&#8217;t work well</a>, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose_X</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-31/#comment-54247</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Those two statements aren’t in conflict. To you, free software is crucial. That’s completely orthogonal to the quality of MS’s development environment.

Have you heard of tools that just get in the way? They may be great if you want that straight jacket, but otherwise they aren&#039;t of much use.

A major part of using a tool maximally and accurately is having all the information you need about that tool.

Also, MS tools aren&#039;t too useful in some obvious ways (eg, if I want solutions for the Linux platform).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Those two statements aren’t in conflict. To you, free software is crucial. That’s completely orthogonal to the quality of MS’s development environment.</p>
<p>Have you heard of tools that just get in the way? They may be great if you want that straight jacket, but otherwise they aren&#8217;t of much use.</p>
<p>A major part of using a tool maximally and accurately is having all the information you need about that tool.</p>
<p>Also, MS tools aren&#8217;t too useful in some obvious ways (eg, if I want solutions for the Linux platform).</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-31/#comment-54245</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
No, but is there any point explaining why?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We&#039;ve already done that many times before. Search the site&#039;s archives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
No, but is there any point explaining why?
</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;ve already done that many times before. Search the site&#8217;s archives.</p>
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		<title>By: jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-31/#comment-54243</link>
		<dc:creator>jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I therefore assume that you accept this post’s contention.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, but is there any point explaining why? Your &quot;team&quot; are already convinced I work for Novell or Microsoft or the Rand Corporation, any disagreement is seen as sinister... what&#039;s the point in counterpoint which is completely ignored?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I therefore assume that you accept this post’s contention.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, but is there any point explaining why? Your &#8220;team&#8221; are already convinced I work for Novell or Microsoft or the Rand Corporation, any disagreement is seen as sinister&#8230; what&#8217;s the point in counterpoint which is completely ignored?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-31/#comment-54241</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is about Microsoft granting only Novell the permission to use Mono and since &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/#comment-52791&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;your first comment&lt;/a&gt; you&#039;ve been talking about other things.

I therefore assume that you accept this post&#039;s contention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is about Microsoft granting only Novell the permission to use Mono and since <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/#comment-52791" rel="nofollow">your first comment</a> you&#8217;ve been talking about other things.</p>
<p>I therefore assume that you accept this post&#8217;s contention.</p>
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		<title>By: jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-31/#comment-54238</link>
		<dc:creator>jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Back on topic, Jo, please.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why bother? It had its usual flame-based resolution-free arguments, with the requisite level of made-up demagogy

It&#039;s terribly convenient to say &quot;back on topic!&quot; when someone replies to YOUR off-topic posts, isn&#039;t it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Back on topic, Jo, please.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why bother? It had its usual flame-based resolution-free arguments, with the requisite level of made-up demagogy</p>
<p>It&#8217;s terribly convenient to say &#8220;back on topic!&#8221; when someone replies to YOUR off-topic posts, isn&#8217;t it</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-30/#comment-54227</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back on topic, Jo, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back on topic, Jo, please.</p>
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		<title>By: jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-30/#comment-54224</link>
		<dc:creator>jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why quote it twice already in disparate threads?

You DO so love to quote other people then conveniently say &quot;wait, I didn&#039;t mean that&quot; when called on it.

I&#039;m amused by the extent to which every single syllable in my post on your comment censorship thread is proven more and more as the minutes pass</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why quote it twice already in disparate threads?</p>
<p>You DO so love to quote other people then conveniently say &#8220;wait, I didn&#8217;t mean that&#8221; when called on it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amused by the extent to which every single syllable in my post on your comment censorship thread is proven more and more as the minutes pass</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-30/#comment-54219</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not my explanation. I would phrase it differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not my explanation. I would phrase it differently.</p>
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		<title>By: jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-30/#comment-54216</link>
		<dc:creator>jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Mono is all about getting existing Windows applications, and their Microsoft-proprietary dependencies, installed on to your Linux system&quot; is just a flat-out lie, Roy. Sorry, but it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Mono is all about getting existing Windows applications, and their Microsoft-proprietary dependencies, installed on to your Linux system&#8221; is just a flat-out lie, Roy. Sorry, but it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-30/#comment-54214</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Unless its author, like you, is a believe in the time-travel theories surrounding Mono
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mono is code, not physics. Stay focused on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Unless its author, like you, is a believe in the time-travel theories surrounding Mono
</p></blockquote>
<p>Mono is code, not physics. Stay focused on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-29/#comment-54204</link>
		<dc:creator>jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, that quote is utter contemptible nonsense with zero basis in reality.

Unless its author, like you, is a believe in the time-travel theories surrounding Mono</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, that quote is utter contemptible nonsense with zero basis in reality.</p>
<p>Unless its author, like you, is a believe in the time-travel theories surrounding Mono</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-29/#comment-54200</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main point made is that there&#039;s a push from &#039;outsiders&#039; to make GNU/Linux Fee software and people hardly have the chance to say &quot;no&quot;.

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22434/1090/1/1/

&#039;&lt;em&gt;Here&#039;s a quote that says it much better than I ever could: &quot;Mono is all about getting existing Windows applications, and their Microsoft-proprietary dependencies, installed on to your Linux system, so that you will in the near future require a paid-for license from Microsoft to run programs on your Linux system.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main point made is that there&#8217;s a push from &#8216;outsiders&#8217; to make GNU/Linux Fee software and people hardly have the chance to say &#8220;no&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22434/1090/1/1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22434/1090/1/1/</a></p>
<p>&#8216;<em>Here&#8217;s a quote that says it much better than I ever could: &#8220;Mono is all about getting existing Windows applications, and their Microsoft-proprietary dependencies, installed on to your Linux system, so that you will in the near future require a paid-for license from Microsoft to run programs on your Linux system.&#8221;</em>&#8216;</p>
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		<title>By: jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-29/#comment-54194</link>
		<dc:creator>jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You’re humoring yourself out of an issue you cannot address. Not the first time BTW… &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m making more sense than you are, Roy. But it seems you really don&#039;t understand why so much of what you say is garbage, so there&#039;s little point in wasting my time on your education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You’re humoring yourself out of an issue you cannot address. Not the first time BTW… </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m making more sense than you are, Roy. But it seems you really don&#8217;t understand why so much of what you say is garbage, so there&#8217;s little point in wasting my time on your education.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-29/#comment-54191</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re humoring yourself out of an issue you cannot address. Not the first time BTW...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re humoring yourself out of an issue you cannot address. Not the first time BTW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jo Shields</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-29/#comment-54188</link>
		<dc:creator>jo Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When it becomes too hard to avoid, then it’s hardly a choice. It’s a case of Microsoft’s ally, Novell, pushing it down people’s throat for the benefit of the monopolist. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, I hear they&#039;re porting the kernel to only run on Vista as we speak!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When it becomes too hard to avoid, then it’s hardly a choice. It’s a case of Microsoft’s ally, Novell, pushing it down people’s throat for the benefit of the monopolist. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I hear they&#8217;re porting the kernel to only run on Vista as we speak!</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-28/#comment-54180</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it becomes too hard to avoid, then it&#039;s hardly a choice. It&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/22/evolution-mono-dependency-opensuse/#comment-54171&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a case of Microsoft&#039;s ally, Novell, pushing it down people&#039;s throat&lt;/a&gt; for the benefit of the monopolist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it becomes too hard to avoid, then it&#8217;s hardly a choice. It&#8217;s <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/22/evolution-mono-dependency-opensuse/#comment-54171" rel="nofollow">a case of Microsoft&#8217;s ally, Novell, pushing it down people&#8217;s throat</a> for the benefit of the monopolist.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-28/#comment-54177</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But he&#039;s arguing that choice is good. You seem to be suggesting that Mono is an invalid choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But he&#8217;s arguing that choice is good. You seem to be suggesting that Mono is an invalid choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2008/12/20/mono-only-for-novell/comment-page-28/#comment-54174</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, let&#039;s try this again.

http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/how-windows-users-are-changing-linux-and-what-we-should-do-about-it/
I hereby repeat what this guy said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, let&#8217;s try this again.</p>
<p><a href="http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/how-windows-users-are-changing-linux-and-what-we-should-do-about-it/" rel="nofollow">http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/how-windows-users-are-changing-linux-and-what-we-should-do-about-it/</a><br />
I hereby repeat what this guy said.</p>
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