| trmanco |
problem solved  |
Dec 26 00:00 |
| trmanco |
time to go |
Dec 26 00:00 |
| trmanco |
see ya’ll later |
Dec 26 00:00 |
| schestowitz |
Cya |
Dec 26 00:02 |
| MinceR |
well, now even the formerly working version of google earth stopped working |
Dec 26 00:44 |
| schestowitz |
new version of gadgets released. |
Dec 26 00:45 |
| schestowitz |
What’s GE good for anyway. Toy for mapping that can be done in 2d? |
Dec 26 00:45 |
| MinceR |
a faster version of google maps |
Dec 26 00:46 |
| MinceR |
mainly |
Dec 26 00:46 |
| schestowitz |
What’s it used for? |
Dec 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Other than leisure? |
Dec 26 00:48 |
| MinceR |
currently nothing, as it fails to show even the planet |
Dec 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
When I installed it (2 older machine), then I run it once… that’s it. |
Dec 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* you can spin the vacuum. |
Dec 26 00:49 |
| MinceR |
so it pretty much is just a grim form of entertainment, seeing how brutally google fails at software engineering |
Dec 26 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
 |
Dec 26 00:49 |
| MinceR |
yes, at least i can spin it |
Dec 26 00:49 |
| MinceR |
as root it did show the globe though |
Dec 26 00:49 |
| MinceR |
if that really was root |
Dec 26 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
They forget to uncomment “drawGlobe()” before compiling the final |
Dec 26 00:49 |
| MinceR |
oh, and it refuses to use antialiased fonts |
Dec 26 00:49 |
| MinceR |
bleeding-eyed users must be so funny |
Dec 26 00:50 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, they were bad with Qt when I last tried it. |
Dec 26 00:50 |
| schestowitz |
At Google, it’s Windows first. |
Dec 26 00:50 |
| schestowitz |
They have come a long way since ‘designing’ their logo in GIMP |
Dec 26 00:51 |
| MinceR |
Server Login just flashes a dialog box |
Dec 26 00:51 |
| MinceR |
it’s like photoshop 5.5 all over again |
Dec 26 00:51 |
| schestowitz |
Let me try it. |
Dec 26 00:53 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll ‘taint’ me box. |
Dec 26 00:53 |
| MinceR |
it works as root |
Dec 26 00:53 |
| schestowitz |
4.3 |
Dec 26 00:53 |
| MinceR |
hasn’t anyone told these retards that linux isn’t windows? |
Dec 26 00:53 |
| schestowitz |
Well, it’s a win apps then. |
Dec 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz |
Haha. |
Dec 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz |
You beat me to it. |
Dec 26 00:54 |
| *schestowitz installing GE |
Dec 26 00:55 |
| schestowitz |
56MB?!?!?! |
Dec 26 00:55 |
| MinceR |
mincer@stormwind(pts/8) % sudo /opt/google-earth/uninstall |
Dec 26 00:55 |
| MinceR |
Could not open product information for -L |
Dec 26 00:55 |
| schestowitz |
OMG |
Dec 26 00:56 |
| schestowitz |
No globe |
Dec 26 00:56 |
| schestowitz |
Oh wait |
Dec 26 00:56 |
| schestowitz |
It came now. |
Dec 26 00:56 |
| schestowitz |
yuck, what did they do to qt? |
Dec 26 00:56 |
| MinceR |
they’ve raped it |
Dec 26 00:57 |
| MinceR |
if this is Qt at all |
Dec 26 00:57 |
| schestowitz |
Ugly fonts, colours not inherited |
Dec 26 00:57 |
| MinceR |
colors worked for me |
Dec 26 00:57 |
| MinceR |
but not the fonts |
Dec 26 00:57 |
| schestowitz |
The scrollbar is like bl00dy Windows XP. |
Dec 26 00:57 |
| schestowitz |
It looks like Wine |
Dec 26 00:57 |
| schestowitz |
But it’s not Picasa |
Dec 26 00:57 |
| schestowitz |
It’s OGL/Qt |
Dec 26 00:57 |
| MinceR |
i don’t know how these idiots even manage to break otherwise working tools such as the loki installer and Qt. |
Dec 26 00:58 |
| schestowitz |
It’s out of date |
Dec 26 00:59 |
| schestowitz |
I found my house |
Dec 26 00:59 |
| MinceR |
doesn’t work if it’s installed into /home either |
Dec 26 00:59 |
| schestowitz |
I can see it ‘pre’-destruction (of green areas) |
Dec 26 00:59 |
| schestowitz |
The resolution is astounding |
Dec 26 01:00 |
| schestowitz |
better than the last time I tried it. |
Dec 26 01:00 |
| MinceR |
well, i can’t use it anymore |
Dec 26 01:01 |
| MinceR |
unless i intend to run it as root |
Dec 26 01:01 |
| schestowitz |
it’s fun |
Dec 26 01:01 |
| schestowitz |
But I’m sure I won’t run it again. |
Dec 26 01:01 |
| schestowitz |
OK< done |
Dec 26 01:02 |
| schestowitz |
.You do realise that Google spies on you as you use it. |
Dec 26 01:03 |
| schestowitz |
‘Spies’ |
Dec 26 01:03 |
| MinceR |
i know |
Dec 26 01:03 |
| MinceR |
i’m back to running google maps in firefox |
Dec 26 01:03 |
| schestowitz |
It knows your every motion |
Dec 26 01:03 |
| MinceR |
(as it doesn’t support opera anymore) |
Dec 26 01:03 |
| schestowitz |
If they could store that, then they could accuse ‘terror~1′ os using GE to do their job. |
Dec 26 01:03 |
| schestowitz |
Then people can attack GE instead of people. |
Dec 26 01:04 |
| schestowitz |
Silverlight won’t support Opera, either. |
Dec 26 01:04 |
| schestowitz |
It’s in the news. |
Dec 26 01:04 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll write about it tomorrow. |
Dec 26 01:04 |
| MinceR |
now i’ll have to manually clean up after this software failure. |
Dec 26 01:11 |
| MinceR |
it vomited all over the filesystem and the uninstaller refuses to even start |
Dec 26 01:11 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* vomited. |
Dec 26 01:11 |
| schestowitz |
Software inheriting human traits and behaviours. |
Dec 26 01:11 |
| MinceR |
my only luck is that it has “google” in the name of at least some of the crud |
Dec 26 01:12 |
| schestowitz |
find | grep google |
Dec 26 01:12 |
| MinceR |
i’m so pissed off i think i’ll switch default search engines. |
Dec 26 01:12 |
| schestowitz |
Turning things around |
Dec 26 01:12 |
| MinceR |
fuck google and fuck the horse they rode in on. |
Dec 26 01:12 |
| schestowitz |
google.find() |
Dec 26 01:12 |
| schestowitz |
There is no othert search engine |
Dec 26 01:13 |
| schestowitz |
Yahoo is for people who just use their mail there and then search for Britney Sprears (number 1 query there in 2008) |
Dec 26 01:13 |
| MinceR |
well, there’s yahoo, mozdex, there might even still be YaCy (or however it’s spelt) |
Dec 26 01:13 |
| schestowitz |
Yandex? |
Dec 26 01:13 |
| MinceR |
at least yahoo understands boolean queries |
Dec 26 01:14 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Dec 26 01:14 |
| schestowitz |
But it could be sold to the Vole |
Dec 26 01:14 |
| schestowitz |
Likely so |
Dec 26 01:14 |
| MinceR |
google just tries to be smarter than the user |
Dec 26 01:14 |
| schestowitz |
The search part |
Dec 26 01:14 |
| MinceR |
gn |
Dec 26 03:20 |
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Dec 26 04:01 |
| schestowitz |
Site id down again |
Dec 26 08:56 |
| schestowitz |
It routinely happens in mornings. I don’t know why. |
Dec 26 08:57 |
| schestowitz |
“Small” Change in Bailout Language Preserves Executive Pay < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8075 > |
Dec 26 09:01 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2… “Police arrested and held shadow immigration minister Green for nine hours last month in connection with a Home Office leak inquiry. It prompted Tory accusations of “heavy-handed tactics” by Scotland Yard and piled pressure on the officer in charge of the probe, Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick.” |
Dec 26 09:05 |
| tessier |
MinceR: What’s wrong with google? |
Dec 26 09:13 |
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Dec 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz |
Unhappy chaps: http://gojko.net/2008/12/26/opensource-… |
Dec 26 11:12 |
| schestowitz |
“Roy Schestowitz from the Boycot Novell site takes a different approach and blames us for a “Microsoftication of open source”, I guess without even reading what the event is all about and who is organising it.” |
Dec 26 11:13 |
| trmanco |
meh |
Dec 26 11:15 |
| trmanco |
what can we do about it… |
Dec 26 11:15 |
| schestowitz |
Not much. |
Dec 26 11:15 |
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Dec 26 11:16 |
| schestowitz |
Vixta renamed Simplis? (from Portugal BTW) http://vixta.sourceforge.net/simp… |
Dec 26 11:22 |
| schestowitz |
Nice new release and graphics.. KDE4 |
Dec 26 11:22 |
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Dec 26 11:24 |
| schestowitz |
“The strange thing about this episode is that it looks like the FOSS community seemingly doesn’t want to know about it.” < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/2… > |
Dec 26 11:25 |
| schestowitz |
Ubertroll Beeb is still on a tour against BN: http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2008/12/epic-… Why does he not link to the original post that shows a screenshot that contradicts his? Oh, that’s right. His only goal is to say we are not correct < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/24… >. Judge for yourselves. |
Dec 26 11:33 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.kev009.com/wp/2008/12/politica… |
Dec 26 11:36 |
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Dec 26 12:00 |
| MinceR |
tessier: a lot, starting from disrespecting privacy and human rights while claiming to be Good to that all their products except the search engine suck |
Dec 26 12:41 |
| schestowitz |
Google is a Public Company(R), so doing good is not a mode of operating. That said, some such companies don’t break the law, unlike say… Intel, Microsoft and Enron. |
Dec 26 12:42 |
| schestowitz |
Public looting: “But despite Treasury’s promise back then that they would release the figure the government is paying the Bank of New York Mellon (BoNYM) to manage and distribute cash from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), they still have refused to make the information public.” < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8092 > |
Dec 26 12:43 |
| MinceR |
j0 |
Dec 26 12:44 |
| MinceR |
when did they outlaw ethics for public companies? |
Dec 26 12:44 |
| MinceR |
also, who forced google to do an IPO? |
Dec 26 12:44 |
| schestowitz |
National culture (corporate sense) |
Dec 26 12:57 |
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Dec 26 13:27 |
| schestowitz |
Do you know the feeling when something fails to work, then you work around it and the solution turns out to be better than that old ‘broken’ solution? A lot of this has happened to me recently. Sometimes things must fail miserably for people to move on to better solutoons. |
Dec 26 13:44 |
| trmanco |
yes that happens to me too |
Dec 26 13:53 |
| schestowitz |
I’d stop working remotely on PDF stuff. LyX works nicely on my box |
Dec 26 13:55 |
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Dec 26 14:51 |
| schestowitz |
bbl |
Dec 26 15:33 |
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Dec 26 17:25 |
| mib_lfsdpg |
hola |
Dec 26 17:25 |
| trmanco |
Hi |
Dec 26 17:28 |
| mib_lfsdpg |
checking out /. on the RIM story. Check out the letter to congress and the signatorieds |
Dec 26 17:29 |
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Dec 26 17:36 |
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Dec 26 17:53 |
| schestowitz |
twitter made a /. front-pager: http://news.slashdot.org/article… |
Dec 26 17:54 |
| schestowitz |
Here’s the RIM story: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?… |
Dec 26 17:55 |
| schestowitz |
“BlackBerry maker Research in Motion sued Motorola over claims the mobile phone maker is improperly blocking it from offering jobs to laid-off Motorola workers, Bloomberg said.” http://news.cnet.com/Report-RIM-accuse… |
Dec 26 17:56 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.competeamerica.org/hill/letter_… |
Dec 26 17:57 |
| schestowitz |
“Steven A. Ballmer |
Dec 26 17:57 |
| schestowitz |
Chief Executive Officer |
Dec 26 17:57 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft Corporation |
Dec 26 17:57 |
| schestowitz |
Craig Barrett |
Dec 26 17:57 |
| schestowitz |
Chairman |
Dec 26 17:57 |
| schestowitz |
Intel Corporation” |
Dec 26 17:57 |
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Dec 26 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
Hey, Stargrave |
Dec 26 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
brb |
Dec 26 18:02 |
| Stargrave |
Hello |
Dec 26 18:05 |
| trmanco |
just posted some more experiences on COLA |
Dec 26 18:06 |
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Dec 26 18:07 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: you’re hurting the trolls’s feelings. |
Dec 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz |
*troll’s |
Dec 26 18:14 |
| trmanco |
oops |
Dec 26 18:15 |
| trmanco |
that is a side effect |
Dec 26 18:15 |
| trmanco |
hmm |
Dec 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz |
The trolls are. These are there to disrupt — the side effect of having impact in COLA. For similar reasons they ruin any decent site that has positive effect, be it Digg or Slashdot or whatever. |
Dec 26 18:20 |
| trmanco |
my audacious went crazy |
Dec 26 18:20 |
| trmanco |
I had to delete my config file and start over, everthing back to normal again |
Dec 26 18:20 |
| trmanco |
a now digg for a while |
Dec 26 18:20 |
| trmanco |
it is note the same as the day I’ve joined it |
Dec 26 18:21 |
| trmanco |
know* |
Dec 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
Did you manage to find a blockquote tool? |
Dec 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
I joined in 2006 after lurking for a while. |
Dec 26 18:22 |
| trmanco |
that quote thingy like yours? |
Dec 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
For a while I was dominating the UNIX/Linux section. |
Dec 26 18:22 |
| trmanco |
… until the trolls came |
Dec 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, I use ALT+T+B after highlighting the text. It saves lots of time. |
Dec 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
I used to do this with the mouse, but I’m faster with the keyboard now. |
Dec 26 18:23 |
| trmanco |
me, I use emacs |
Dec 26 18:23 |
| trmanco |
its an emacs thing |
Dec 26 18:23 |
| trmanco |
M-x boxquote-yank |
Dec 26 18:23 |
| trmanco |
M-x boxquote-title |
Dec 26 18:23 |
| trmanco |
Title: Quote |
Dec 26 18:24 |
| trmanco |
and then I copy it to thunderbird |
Dec 26 18:24 |
| schestowitz |
Cool. Maybe the KNode thing was inherited from emacs |
Dec 26 18:24 |
| trmanco |
I have no idea, but it’s GPL so |
Dec 26 18:24 |
| schestowitz |
The Knode implementation seems slow though. You can see the drawing as though the algo moves the cursor. |
Dec 26 18:24 |
| trmanco |
on emacs it is instant |
Dec 26 18:25 |
| trmanco |
lety me try with 20 000 lines of lorem ipsum |
Dec 26 18:25 |
| trmanco |
let* |
Dec 26 18:25 |
| schestowitz |
I was worse in older version of KNode. |
Dec 26 18:25 |
| trmanco |
“Generated 150 paragraphs, 13446 words, 91186 bytes of Lorem Ipsum” |
Dec 26 18:26 |
| trmanco |
can do more  |
Dec 26 18:26 |
| trmanco |
can’t |
Dec 26 18:26 |
| trmanco |
:O |
Dec 26 18:27 |
| trmanco |
I forgot to say that I use another el to wrap the text |
Dec 26 18:28 |
| trmanco |
yanking it to emacs is instant |
Dec 26 18:28 |
| trmanco |
wrapping takes about 1 second |
Dec 26 18:28 |
| trmanco |
 |
Dec 26 18:28 |
| schestowitz |
Probably same in KNode. |
Dec 26 18:29 |
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Dec 26 18:38 |
| schestowitz |
MathWorks is part of that letter/stunt: “John N. Little |
Dec 26 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
CEO |
Dec 26 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
The MathWorks |
Dec 26 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
Tod Loofbourrow |
Dec 26 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
President & CEO |
Dec 26 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
Authoria” |
Dec 26 18:39 |
| *trmanco is going to try slrn out |
Dec 26 19:11 |
| Omar87 |
schestowitz: lol, guess what. |
Dec 26 19:20 |
| Omar87 |
schestowitz: I have finally decided it’s time for me to pull the plug on my facebook account. |
Dec 26 19:21 |
| Omar87 |
schestowitz: Enough feeding Bill Gates’ lust for money. |
Dec 26 19:21 |
| schestowitz |
What was the last straw? |
Dec 26 19:21 |
| Omar87 |
I’m not sure.. |
Dec 26 19:22 |
| *schestowitz gets inviated to a cuas |
Dec 26 19:23 |
| *schestowitz gets invited to a cause |
Dec 26 19:23 |
| Omar87 |
Lot’s of thinks, some of which are not related to FOSS. |
Dec 26 19:23 |
| *schestowitz check his ‘precious’ WALL |
Dec 26 19:23 |
| schestowitz |
FB is close to Microsoft. I wanted about it like 2 years ago in public |
Dec 26 19:24 |
| Omar87 |
schestowitz: Yeah, that’s right, and that part of why I decided to deactivate my profile on it. |
Dec 26 19:27 |
| schestowitz |
Your ‘buddy’ made the same decision: http://blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/02/12/b… |
Dec 26 19:28 |
| Omar87 |
schestowitz: Plus, it started become more of a pain in the neck for me, and a waste of time too. |
Dec 26 19:28 |
| Omar87 |
schestowitz: Can that be true? |
Dec 26 19:28 |
| schestowitz |
It’s the same for me. |
Dec 26 19:30 |
| schestowitz |
I already have a stack of ‘friends’ (yeah… ‘friends’ with scare quotes) in Digg (over 3000) and in Propeller/Netscape |
Dec 26 19:31 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t need to build a virtual ‘portfolio’ of friends in the thousands of sites that have a virtual ‘friend’ facility (i.e. some code that make binary connection between UID). |
Dec 26 19:32 |
| schestowitz |
Speaking of quiting, I decided to quit the whole ‘posh’ (BS) elements of one’s lifestyle… versus things like culture, Freedom, sunny places. |
Dec 26 19:34 |
| Omar87 |
posh? |
Dec 26 19:34 |
| schestowitz |
The education spoiled a lot of people for decades and the price will be paid over the next several years, maybe decade. |
Dec 26 19:35 |
| schestowitz |
Omar87: British word mostly. |
Dec 26 19:35 |
| schestowitz |
I’d rather be in a beach than in some dark ‘posh’ place, which is an ego/status trip for people who prefer the former (or or too old for the latter). |
Dec 26 19:35 |
| schestowitz |
I had a conversation about it today at the gym… some woman who I haven’t seen 2001 in another gym. |
Dec 26 19:35 |
| trmanco |
http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/12/admir… |
Dec 26 19:45 |
| schestowitz |
http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/12/2… |
Dec 26 19:45 |
| schestowitz |
This guy? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/22/microsoft… |
Dec 26 19:45 |
| trmanco |
Windows crap on the iphone -> http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/… |
Dec 26 20:00 |
| trmanco |
almost |
Dec 26 20:01 |
| MinceR |
lol |
Dec 26 20:01 |
| MinceR |
it’s still not windows mobile |
Dec 26 20:02 |
| schestowitz |
Vista boots on the iPhone: http://img225.imageshack.us/img22… |
Dec 26 20:02 |
| trmanco |
Firefox and Chrome Run Gmail Twice as Fast as IE, Says Google [Google]: http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/lifehacker/full/~3/S… |
Dec 26 20:03 |
| trmanco |
Nice Google |
Dec 26 20:03 |
| trmanco |
schestowitz, LOL, that made my day |
Dec 26 20:03 |
| MinceR |
schestowitz: ow. |
Dec 26 20:04 |
| MinceR |
the question is, why would anyone want to run gfail at all? |
Dec 26 20:05 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* gfial |
Dec 26 20:06 |
| schestowitz |
Gu’ould |
Dec 26 20:06 |
| trmanco |
some people do |
Dec 26 20:07 |
| MinceR |
those people need to realize that imap clients exist :> |
Dec 26 20:07 |
| trmanco |
they are probably seeing to many internet exploder hits on gmail, and now they do this |
Dec 26 20:07 |
| trmanco |
MinceR, you can configure some stuff on gmail for imap accounts |
Dec 26 20:08 |
| schestowitz |
“Hey, Googie, let’s share a mailbox… you give me ads.. and some mail around it… and share my comms with govt. and advertisers…mmmkay?” |
Dec 26 20:08 |
| MinceR |
and what happens the day google decides that not even firefox is cool enough for them? |
Dec 26 20:08 |
| schestowitz |
In television they call it “fill” (the mail equivalent). |
Dec 26 20:08 |
| MinceR |
there’s no native chrome for linux |
Dec 26 20:08 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: what for? Why put your mail on Googie? |
Dec 26 20:09 |
| MinceR |
and google has already decided that opera isn’t cool enough for them |
Dec 26 20:09 |
| trmanco |
better be on Googie than on hotfrail and microhoooooo |
Dec 26 20:09 |
| schestowitz |
Same with Microsoft |
Dec 26 20:09 |
| MinceR |
btw, i’m in the marked for a better free email account provider |
Dec 26 20:10 |
| MinceR |
s/ked/ket/ |
Dec 26 20:10 |
| schestowitz |
Why Silverlight does not support Opera < http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ar… > |
Dec 26 20:10 |
| schestowitz |
Don’t forget that it doesn’t support Linux, either. |
Dec 26 20:10 |
| MinceR |
i’ve kind of had enough with fucking google. |
Dec 26 20:10 |
| trmanco |
hopefully a Linux Chromie will come in time |
Dec 26 20:10 |
| trmanco |
I read that silylight thing earlier |
Dec 26 20:10 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: people should get their own domain |
Dec 26 20:10 |
| schestowitz |
If you hire an address, then you risk losing it when $company goes down |
Dec 26 20:11 |
| schestowitz |
If it’s a large company, you get fed junk. |
Dec 26 20:11 |
| schestowitz |
It’s the whole ‘cloud’ risk. |
Dec 26 20:11 |
| MinceR |
i eventually plan to run my own mail server |
Dec 26 20:11 |
| schestowitz |
People need to own the domain of their mail. They can even move it between hosts |
Dec 26 20:11 |
| MinceR |
but until then it would be nice to find something safer than gfail. |
Dec 26 20:11 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: don’t, it’s not a good idea |
Dec 26 20:11 |
| MinceR |
why? |
Dec 26 20:12 |
| *schestowitz looks for Venn artice |
Dec 26 20:12 |
| schestowitz |
Found it: http://www.veen.com/jeff/archives/… |
Dec 26 20:14 |
| schestowitz |
*Veen article I mean |
Dec 26 20:14 |
| MinceR |
if i had someone else do it, i’d have to pay them |
Dec 26 20:15 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, that’s OK |
Dec 26 20:15 |
| schestowitz |
I pay my Web host for it |
Dec 26 20:16 |
| schestowitz |
I get Web mail via Horde, Squirrel and Neomai |
Dec 26 20:16 |
| schestowitz |
I can also POP it from anywhere or SSH to my PCs at home for access that’s fast |
Dec 26 20:16 |
| schestowitz |
I have about 22 E-mail accounts. |
Dec 26 20:16 |
| MinceR |
it would also mean that i’m not root on my server |
Dec 26 20:18 |
| schestowitz |
You could always seize control of your domain. |
Dec 26 20:20 |
| schestowitz |
Hosting is the equivalent is saying “hey, do you mind managing this thing for me? Thanks, I’ll pay you a few bucks to take it off my back” |
Dec 26 20:20 |
| MinceR |
i’d actually want to run a few apps on the server |
Dec 26 20:21 |
| MinceR |
an irc client, an irc<->im gateway, getmail, stuff like that |
Dec 26 20:21 |
| schestowitz |
You can install some |
Dec 26 20:24 |
| schestowitz |
I have lots of PHP-based s/w on schestowitz.com |
Dec 26 20:24 |
| MinceR |
also, doing it myself gives me not only control, but also experience |
Dec 26 20:24 |
| schestowitz |
And you can negotiate with the host. For example, I once needed Pear for a references manager that’s interactive |
Dec 26 20:25 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: why not go LFS then. |
Dec 26 20:25 |
| MinceR |
i’ll try that when i set out to make my own distro :> |
Dec 26 20:25 |
| schestowitz |
Reasonable abstractions help. |
Dec 26 20:25 |
| schestowitz |
Based on..? |
Dec 26 20:26 |
| schestowitz |
CNN technology ‘news’: http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_tech/~3/cQK… |
Dec 26 20:26 |
| trmanco |
http://www.tux-planet.fr/the-google-finance… |
Dec 26 20:31 |
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Dec 26 20:33 |
| MinceR |
based on LFS |
Dec 26 20:33 |
| MinceR |
until others do everything i wanted until then; or i can develop it on top of gobolinux or nixos or something like that |
Dec 26 20:34 |
| schestowitz |
Gobo? |
Dec 26 20:35 |
| schestowitz |
program_files? |
Dec 26 20:36 |
| schestowitz |
Hungary has Kiwi |
Dec 26 20:37 |
| schestowitz |
” Police in Logan say they have received confirmation that the Nov. 21 death of Utah State University student was the result of alcohol poisoning.” http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11309206 |
Dec 26 20:39 |
| schestowitz |
“The 18-year-old freshman’s death resulted in the suspension of Sigma Gnu and Chi Omega sorority by USU.” << Sigma GNU |
Dec 26 20:40 |
| schestowitz |
“Usually I agree with Sam, as I did in our interview with him, but I can’t go along with him here. Microsoft competes with open source, Sam. Ask the Internet Explorer team.” http://ostatic.com/blog/pundits-weigh… |
Dec 26 20:43 |
| MinceR |
no, not program_files |
Dec 26 20:45 |
| MinceR |
that would be /opt |
Dec 26 20:45 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.gobolinux.org/ < New Hungarian website on GoboLinux > |
Dec 26 20:47 |
| schestowitz |
“In GoboLinux you don’t need a package manager because the filesystem is the package manager: each program resides in its own directory, such as /Programs/Xorg/7.2/ and /Programs/KDE-Libs/3.5.8. Like it?” |
Dec 26 20:47 |
| schestowitz |
I think it’s Portuguese or Brazilian, IIRC |
Dec 26 20:47 |
| MinceR |
i know what gobolinux is :> |
Dec 26 20:51 |
| schestowitz |
OK, cause you complained about GE WIndowsisation yesterday. |
Dec 26 20:52 |
| schestowitz |
Open Source Plus Microsoft: A Christmas System Overhaul < http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-plus-micro… >. This site does a fair deal of Microsoft/Mono marriage thingies…the top guy also AstroTurfed for Microsoft before |
Dec 26 20:53 |
| MinceR |
gobolinux isn’t windowsisation |
Dec 26 20:53 |
| MinceR |
in windows, files aren’t only placed in program files, they’re spread all over the file system, including common files and windows\system |
Dec 26 20:54 |
| MinceR |
gobolinux avoids exactly that |
Dec 26 20:54 |
| MinceR |
program files are symlinked to their proper place |
Dec 26 20:54 |
| schestowitz |
“Hi Folks. Well, a lot of you seem to be disappointed about the site shutting down, and several people have offered to keep it going. I’ve turned down those offers.” |
Dec 26 20:55 |
| schestowitz |
“Technocrat was intended to get technology experts (us) involved in technology policy. It didn’t succeed in that, although it was a good discussion site. The goal of getting people involved in tech policy is still a good one. |
Dec 26 20:55 |
| schestowitz |
Thus, Technocrat will be re-launched with a new format. It will not be a discussion site any longer. Instead, it will offer tech stories and legislation alerts to be syndicated by other web sites, including discussion sites. There will also be some other features that I’ll keep quiet about until the new site is on the air.” |
Dec 26 20:55 |
| schestowitz |
The goal is still to get more technology experts involved in setting technology policy. Thanks, Bruce < http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0… > |
Dec 26 20:55 |
| schestowitz |
Had twitter not put it in FP, maybe he would not have reversed course. I mailed Bruce |
Dec 26 20:56 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: what about LSB? |
Dec 26 20:56 |
| MinceR |
their focus on rpm might be unfortunate |
Dec 26 20:57 |
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Dec 26 20:57 |
| schestowitz |
RPM works well for me now. |
Dec 26 20:58 |
| schestowitz |
Got LyX installed smoothly this morning and had no trouble with it since setup in July |
Dec 26 20:58 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.linux.com/feed/6484 “Bruce Perens: “Well, it’s been about a year and a half, and unfortunately Technocrat.net has not flourished. I take the blame, I’ve not had enough time to run the site, and plans to fund a professional staff for the site fell through. Readership has gone low enough that there’s no longer much reason to keep the site alive. Thus, I will no longer be accepting new articles or comments, and will take th |
Dec 26 20:59 |
| schestowitz |
e site down in a week or so.”" |
Dec 26 20:59 |
| schestowitz |
That was 2001!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Dec 26 20:59 |
| schestowitz |
“I had been reading Technocrat daily for I guess 9 or 10 years, I can’t really comment on what facets of the community that Bruce objected to, so I will comment only on my observations.” True, true. |
Dec 26 21:00 |
| schestowitz |
Asay talks lawyer nonsense again: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_… |
Dec 26 21:02 |
| schestowitz |
How To: Install regular Ubuntu on a 2g Surf < http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic… > |
Dec 26 21:02 |
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Dec 26 21:16 |
| tessier |
trmanco: My emacs does not seem to have boxquote-yank. Is it something you added? |
Dec 26 21:38 |
| trmanco |
1 sec |
Dec 26 21:38 |
| trmanco |
yes |
Dec 26 21:38 |
| trmanco |
I added emacs goodies with contains some version of boxquote.el |
Dec 26 21:40 |
| trmanco |
http://www.davep.org/emacs/boxquote.el |
Dec 26 21:40 |
| trmanco |
which* |
Dec 26 21:40 |
| trmanco |
ping tessier |
Dec 26 21:52 |
| tessier |
Thanks |
Dec 26 21:52 |
| *tessier looks |
Dec 26 21:52 |
| tessier |
Ah, I see. That’s a lot of emacs code for just fancy quoting. I think I’ll stick with > |
Dec 26 21:53 |
| trmanco |
> is the normal thingy |
Dec 26 22:05 |
| trmanco |
I like the boxquote thing, I always wanted the quote style schestowitz had on usenet, and I found it on emacs by accident |
Dec 26 22:06 |
| trmanco |
it also has a bubble quote |
Dec 26 22:07 |
| trmanco |
it is called “Thinks” |
Dec 26 22:08 |
| trmanco |
http://www.davep.org/emacs/thinks.el |
Dec 26 22:17 |
| tessier |
I think I thunk a thought |
Dec 26 22:41 |
| trmanco |
lol |
Dec 26 22:42 |
