Comments on: Novell SUSE and Go-OO[XML] Damage http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-24/#comment-56850 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:31:01 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56850 <blockquote> CEO bickering and Michael Meeks’ frustrations with the way Sun operates OO.org doesn’t directly translate into Novell dumping Java. </blockquote> I agree, it doesn't. But it does not bode well, either.

CEO bickering and Michael Meeks’ frustrations with the way Sun operates OO.org doesn’t directly translate into Novell dumping Java.

I agree, it doesn’t. But it does not bode well, either.

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-24/#comment-56849 AlexH Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:18:34 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56849 Novell and its employees are not the only people who've pointed out problems with the OOo governance. Novell and its employees are not the only people who’ve pointed out problems with the OOo governance.

]]> By: Ian http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-24/#comment-56848 Ian Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:14:21 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56848 I don't know who Mr. Steadfast is, but he is entitled to his own opinion. It's entirely possible Mono does have some advantages over Java for him, and could fall flat on its face in other categories. That's up to the developer. CEO bickering and Michael Meeks' frustrations with the way Sun operates OO.org doesn't directly translate into Novell dumping Java. I don’t know who Mr. Steadfast is, but he is entitled to his own opinion. It’s entirely possible Mono does have some advantages over Java for him, and could fall flat on its face in other categories. That’s up to the developer.

CEO bickering and Michael Meeks’ frustrations with the way Sun operates OO.org doesn’t directly translate into Novell dumping Java.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-23/#comment-56845 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:54:44 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56845 Mr Steadfast, a Novell employee, sure bothered to write some blog posts about Mono's advantages (compared to Java), but I accept your point that Novell has done a lot with Java. Let's see how it works out in the future considering the fact that Novell's CEO is openly attacking Sun projects like Solaris whilst Meeks et al promote Go-OOXML by attacking OpenOffice.org and Sun. Mr Steadfast, a Novell employee, sure bothered to write some blog posts about Mono’s advantages (compared to Java), but I accept your point that Novell has done a lot with Java. Let’s see how it works out in the future considering the fact that Novell’s CEO is openly attacking Sun projects like Solaris whilst Meeks et al promote Go-OOXML by attacking OpenOffice.org and Sun.

]]> By: Ian http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-23/#comment-56844 Ian Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:23:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56844 <i>New projects.</i> What do you consider a new project? The last considerable piece of software(ZCM) they have built from the ground up uses Java, at least at the interface level. Their teaming product, from the sitescape acquisition, is heavily built with java. They're working on a new version now and I have yet to hear anything about coding the whole thing in mono. Anything they have to do with Mono is easily dwarfed by their use of java over the past decade. Your sentiment that Novell is somehow against Java seems to go against the facts. Sorry. New projects.

What do you consider a new project? The last considerable piece of software(ZCM) they have built from the ground up uses Java, at least at the interface level. Their teaming product, from the sitescape acquisition, is heavily built with java. They’re working on a new version now and I have yet to hear anything about coding the whole thing in mono.

Anything they have to do with Mono is easily dwarfed by their use of java over the past decade. Your sentiment that Novell is somehow against Java seems to go against the facts. Sorry.

]]> By: stevetheFLY http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-23/#comment-56843 stevetheFLY Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:48:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56843 Roy continuously repeating false accusations (well, let's call them what they are: lies) aren't made up for by a just cause. Rather his lies soil all belief in that cause that one might have had. <font color="#ff0000"><b>Note</b>: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/" rel="nofollow">abusive</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" rel="nofollow">Internet troll</a> that posts from <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/" title="The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities" rel="nofollow">open proxies and relays around the world</a>.</font> Roy continuously repeating false accusations (well, let’s call them what they are: lies) aren’t made up for by a just cause. Rather his lies soil all belief in that cause that one might have had.

Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

]]> By: Dan http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-23/#comment-56838 Dan Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:45:12 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56838 Jo; you made accusations, but they could not be judged because of the flippant manner of your writing. Roy; From what I understood among Jo's colourful wording, he seems to think you live in a delusion. Whilst it is true you may be biased, you are nonetheless entitled to your own opinions. I beleive Jo's problem was he beleived what you said to be incorrect. Jo was out of order, you were not. Note; this is not an agreement or disagreement over the conflict. Jo; you made accusations, but they could not be judged because of the flippant manner of your writing.

Roy; From what I understood among Jo’s colourful wording, he seems to think you live in a delusion. Whilst it is true you may be biased, you are nonetheless entitled to your own opinions. I beleive Jo’s problem was he beleived what you said to be incorrect.

Jo was out of order, you were not.

Note; this is not an agreement or disagreement over the conflict.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-23/#comment-56818 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:11:12 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56818 No, no. I'm totally with you on this one. This is done at Simon's expense. No, no. I’m totally with you on this one. This is done at Simon’s expense.

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-22/#comment-56817 AlexH Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:11:09 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56817 Hehe. I also noticed that old page hasn't changed either. Personally, I think Sun are right to offer customers indemnification. Hehe. I also noticed that old page hasn’t changed either.

Personally, I think Sun are right to offer customers indemnification.

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-22/#comment-56815 AlexH Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:04:04 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56815 Look, it's not me who quoted the stuff about indemnification. You're arguing with the wrong person. Look, it’s not me who quoted the stuff about indemnification. You’re arguing with the wrong person.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-22/#comment-56813 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:02:27 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56813 <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/12/microsoft-novell-hijack-openoffice/#comment-27652" rel="nofollow">Simon Phipps</a>: "<em>Web page: wow, it sucks. While there are actually quite a few people who do want to know Sun will catch the bullet for them in the unlikely event anyone tries to fire one, I think that feature listing is disproportionate to the demand. And it doesn’t mention the support that’s available for OpenOffice.org. I’ll go get the page changed.</em>" Simon Phipps:

“Web page: wow, it sucks. While there are actually quite a few people who do want to know Sun will catch the bullet for them in the unlikely event anyone tries to fire one, I think that feature listing is disproportionate to the demand. And it doesn’t mention the support that’s available for OpenOffice.org. I’ll go get the page changed.“

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-22/#comment-56811 AlexH Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:49:36 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56811 Maybe marketing didn't get the message :D Maybe marketing didn’t get the message :D

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-22/#comment-56807 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:35:45 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56807 OK then. Didn't Simon tell us that he would change that "indemnification" bit? OK then.

Didn’t Simon tell us that he would change that “indemnification” bit?

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-21/#comment-56805 AlexH Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:32:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56805 @Roy: no, we're just correcting misconceptions. I've never said Sun are evil; quite the opposite in fact. @Roy: no, we’re just correcting misconceptions. I’ve never said Sun are evil; quite the opposite in fact.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-21/#comment-56801 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:24:05 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56801 Are we back to the "Sun is evil" hypothesis as a Novell defence? Are we back to the “Sun is evil” hypothesis as a Novell defence?

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-21/#comment-56797 AlexH Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:17:46 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56797 @Myfraudsoft: I think it's the actions that matter, though. As well as bragging about the indemnity, they provide extra stuff in the software. @Myfraudsoft: I think it’s the actions that matter, though. As well as bragging about the indemnity, they provide extra stuff in the software.

]]> By: Myfraudsoft http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-21/#comment-56794 Myfraudsoft Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:57:16 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56794 There is a reason why migration tool is available in StartOffice only, though. It is (I guess) licensed third-party software, not Sun's own. More on this here: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=25442 quote: "the tools is actually provided by a third party. In other words, Sun paid another company for the tool. The tool includes an environment that encapsulates some things required for the translated macros. This is why the tools is NOT free, and why they are not compantible with OOo. Yes indeed, Sun does provide some added value with StarOffice that is not available in OOo." There is a reason why migration tool is available in StartOffice only, though. It is (I guess) licensed third-party software, not Sun’s own. More on this here: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=25442
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“the tools is actually provided by a third party. In other words, Sun paid another company for the tool. The tool includes an environment that encapsulates some things required for the translated macros. This is why the tools is NOT free, and why they are not compantible with OOo. Yes indeed, Sun does provide some added value with StarOffice that is not available in OOo.”

]]> By: Myfraudsoft http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-21/#comment-56793 Myfraudsoft Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:41:34 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56793 OK, that's fair. It seems that Macro migration tool (tool for VBA to Star Basic migration) is only available in StarOffice's Enterprise Edition. OK, that’s fair. It seems that Macro migration tool (tool for VBA to Star Basic migration) is only available in StarOffice’s Enterprise Edition.

]]> By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-20/#comment-56792 AlexH Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:34:52 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56792 @Roy: we're talking about ways in which StarOffice is more advanced than OpenOffice. "Myfraudsoft" asked about them. @Roy: we’re talking about ways in which StarOffice is more advanced than OpenOffice. “Myfraudsoft” asked about them.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/comment-page-20/#comment-56791 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:06:05 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/suse-and-go-oo-damage/#comment-56791 What migration? From what? What migration? From what?

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