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| schestowitz | "The US Navy has settled a whale-saving lawsuit filed by environmentalists challenging the use of military sonar for testing and training exercises around the world, with both parties proclaiming victory." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/29/us... | Dec 30 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | 75 percent job cuts at Free Radical < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22492/1093/ > | Dec 30 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | "The depression had devastating effects in virtually every country, rich or poor. International trade plunged by half to two-thirds, as did personal incomes, tax revenues, prices, and profits." < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_... > | Dec 30 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | Good news. BN is almost in 2xxxth place for traffic, based on Netcraft. Groklaw, here we come. | Dec 30 08:29 |
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| PetoKraus | sorry? | Dec 30 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | Never mind. | Dec 30 08:47 |
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| schestowitz | The hecklers are at full force today | Dec 30 08:48 |
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| schestowitz | /Everything/ to prevent the site from being seen as legitimate. | Dec 30 08:48 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe, seems like AMD gave it a nice buzz yesterday | Dec 30 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | Is The Physical Bookstore A Thing Of The Past? http://techdirt.com/articles/20081... | Dec 30 10:56 |
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| trmanco | :O | Dec 30 11:01 |
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| trmanco | Spam alert on COLA | Dec 30 11:01 |
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| trmanco | oh, they are already expired | Dec 30 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | Oh no. It's back??? | Dec 30 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/gro... | Dec 30 11:02 |
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| trmanco | it a gmail domain | Dec 30 11:02 |
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| trmanco | example: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.... | Dec 30 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | I've just noticed that COLA activity rose in 2008. | Dec 30 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | Over 10,000 posts per month | Dec 30 11:03 |
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| trmanco | some might be spam | Dec 30 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | What a loser: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0... | Dec 30 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | I knew he was going to sell out as soon as he gets in | Dec 30 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | I'm writing about it now. He's accepting cheques from Ballmer, BillG and chums. | Dec 30 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | Change... change my behind. | Dec 30 11:06 |
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| trmanco | obama? | Dec 30 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, trmanco. I have a good post coming. :-) | Dec 30 11:14 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, SR | Dec 30 11:14 |
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| trmanco | ok | Dec 30 11:14 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Hi there. | Dec 30 11:14 |
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| TheOriginalSR | It's been a year. I'm a bit concerned :-( | Dec 30 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | Why? | Dec 30 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | You're SR from the commente, right? | Dec 30 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | *comments | Dec 30 11:16 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Dissenting voices seem a bit, err... over punched :-( | Dec 30 11:16 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Aye, that's me, mate. | Dec 30 11:16 |
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| TheOriginalSR | The dissenting comments are quite good, even if I disagree. | Dec 30 11:17 |
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| TheOriginalSR | They strengthen the arguement, but labeling them somehow detracts from things :-( | Dec 30 11:17 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I wrote your first guest article, so it's not as if I disagree with you... | Dec 30 11:18 |
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| TheOriginalSR | And I'm even willing to write more. | Dec 30 11:18 |
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| TheOriginalSR | But the red text for some people, who make alot of sense, even if the opinion is contrary - - i | Dec 30 11:19 |
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| TheOriginalSR | it removes credibility :-( | Dec 30 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | Which comments specifically? | Dec 30 11:19 |
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| TheOriginalSR | good question - and not one I have a ready answer for :-( | Dec 30 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | TheOriginalSR: which one (Article)? | Dec 30 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | TheOriginalSR: those who are labeled do something interesting. | Dec 30 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | At first they just attack people | Dec 30 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | Attack, attack, attack. | Dec 30 11:20 |
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| TheOriginalSR | but it seems, skimming the last few days in general, it seems there is either !) c | Dec 30 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | Then, when they get labeled, they suddenly engage in an actual argument | Dec 30 11:20 |
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| TheOriginalSR | a) Agreement, or B) shilling, with no ground to just honestly disagree | Dec 30 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | Then they can whine that we abuse voices rather than label vandals | Dec 30 11:21 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Wow. It's been so long, I can't remember the article. | Dec 30 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | What was it about? | Dec 30 11:21 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I actually had several written, but my wife's work made us run SLED for almost a yyear | Dec 30 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | I think Mark gave the first guest post | Dec 30 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | Sunday Refugee. | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| TheOriginalSR | and I was *discouraged* from doing anything else. | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Aye, that's me, mate ;-) | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| TheOriginalSR | SR is just easier to type ;-) | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I'm only commenting because I care ;-) | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | There is just one vandal that changed his ways in the sense that he gives arguments | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | One of them vanished | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | There are only 3 | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | eet is the worse | Dec 30 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | You remember eet, right? | Dec 30 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | He nymshifts a lot. | Dec 30 11:23 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I remember him well. He ad-hommed me many times for no reason at all. | Dec 30 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | He attacked readers too | Dec 30 11:23 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Trying to engage him in rational debate just got me called names... | Dec 30 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | He's still around, but he uses other nyms | Dec 30 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | "eet" is too tainted now. | Dec 30 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | The Michaels guy was one of the most vicious vandals | Dec 30 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | Now he actually argues, not just vandalises | Dec 30 11:24 |
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| TheOriginalSR | AlexH makes some good points in the last few days. I don't necessarily agree, but I'd hate for him to get a label :-( | Dec 30 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | He also stalked a reader and libeled him. He still does that, but only as an appendage to an argument | Dec 30 11:24 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I haven't seen his past, so I can't comment on Micheals ;-) | Dec 30 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | Alex won't get a label | Dec 30 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | I never accused of of trolling | Dec 30 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | He's just nitpicking a lot | Dec 30 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | And Microsoft can never do wrong in his eyes | Dec 30 11:25 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I'm actually downloading Mint, and getting ready to purge the last of Novell from my PC LOL | Dec 30 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | Even the SFLC has begun talking out loud about Mcirosoft's fake gesture to OSS | Dec 30 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | SUSE fell behind | Dec 30 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | I see it ranked quite poorly among those who try it. | Dec 30 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | Like 4th | Dec 30 11:25 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Aye. I nearly have my wife ready to convert. | Dec 30 11:26 |
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| TheOriginalSR | She ran SLED for a year, and it was solid. | Dec 30 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | TheOriginalSR: follow the links in the red text and you'll see the past | Dec 30 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | SLED is old | Dec 30 11:26 |
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| TheOriginalSR | She got Vista, and it's now decided to blacklist her DVD drive in her PC | Dec 30 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | 1006? | Dec 30 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | 2006 | Dec 30 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | Blacklist.. is that a feature? | Dec 30 11:26 |
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| TheOriginalSR | So it shows up, but it's not useable. | Dec 30 11:26 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Security Feature LOLll | Dec 30 11:27 |
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| TheOriginalSR | So she remembers the reliability and freedom of GNU/Linux, but doesn't want to be | Dec 30 11:27 |
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| TheOriginalSR | *warned* again of my *subversive* thoughts on freedom. Hence, Mint is downoading ;-) | Dec 30 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Security of course. | Dec 30 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Go to secure the MPAA from financial bankruptcy | Dec 30 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | *Got | Dec 30 11:28 |
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| TheOriginalSR | oh, of course. Which means, a hacker in Bangladesh found out a way to rip DVD's | Dec 30 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's a pointless wart | Dec 30 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | You shut one hole, another one opens | Dec 30 11:29 |
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| TheOriginalSR | so everyone globally has the drive disabled until (if?) the manufacturer decides to develop a patch | Dec 30 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | You only aggravate the good people. | Dec 30 11:29 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Precisely. Like my wife, who was only trying to save a slideshow she made for her L6 class children | Dec 30 11:30 |
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| TheOriginalSR | brb roy | Dec 30 11:30 |
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| schestowitz | Ha. Teachers... those fiends! Trying to steal and pirate from poor artists.. those "criminals" (Glickman's terminology) | Dec 30 11:33 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Aye, mate. She made a slide-show about slavery, set to music, to distribute to children to watch at home | Dec 30 11:36 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Vista, unfortunately, has flagged her cd-burner as possibly DRM-breaking | Dec 30 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | Slavery is an important subject | Dec 30 11:37 |
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| TheOriginalSR | so she's stuck. | Dec 30 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | It's not properly covered in education | Dec 30 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | They should spend more time educating kids about ethics, freedom and human rights. | Dec 30 11:37 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I convinved her that the newer OpenSuSE would work better. | Dec 30 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | Less about genocidal literature like the bible. | Dec 30 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | Also, mathematics and biology should be emphasised | Dec 30 11:38 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Imagine my surprise when I discover that *any* cd-burner must be launched as root from a terminal in any DE in SuSE 11 | Dec 30 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | None of that creationism (IMHO) and global warming being "an undecided issue" | Dec 30 11:38 |
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| TheOriginalSR | 11.1 | Dec 30 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Weird | Dec 30 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva and Ubuntu don't work this way | Dec 30 11:38 |
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| TheOriginalSR | She agrees. Her district mandated that she can't disclose the age of the Grand Canyon | Dec 30 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | Why? | Dec 30 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | Ha!! | Dec 30 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | No way! | Dec 30 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | Cause the Earth can't be older than /what/?\ | Dec 30 11:39 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Because it might go against "Intelligent Design" ;-) | Dec 30 11:39 |
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| TheOriginalSR | than 6,000 years old ;-) | Dec 30 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry... not earth... "world" (with hell underneath and heaven above | Dec 30 11:40 |
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| TheOriginalSR | There is a work-around in Suse 11.1 - add yourself to a user group | Dec 30 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | This is outrageous. | Dec 30 11:40 |
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| TheOriginalSR | But if you have trouble running from a command line, you're NEVER going to figure out adding yourself to a user grroup | Dec 30 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Intelligent Design" = stupid by design | Dec 30 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | [Apologies to religious readers] | Dec 30 11:41 |
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| TheOriginalSR | my thoughts exactly ;-) | Dec 30 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | They make children stupid, by design | Dec 30 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | They manufacture ignorance | Dec 30 11:41 |
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| TheOriginalSR | And Bush's "No Child Left Behind" means teachers have to teach how to pass tests | Dec 30 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | Praise the gods and do your work 9-5, then start a second job | Dec 30 11:41 |
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| TheOriginalSR | instead of teaching material and how to learn ;-) | Dec 30 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | A levels have some similar issues | Dec 30 11:42 |
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| schestowitz | The goal is not to educate by to produce better marks | Dec 30 11:42 |
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| schestowitz | SATs likewise-- they teach tricks and methods for 'hacking' the test, so it's no longer about intelligence, but about perseverance mostly... a test of patience | Dec 30 11:42 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Exactly! And teachers are sick to death of it... but they get the brunt of the attacks... | Dec 30 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | RMS' got 1600 in his SATs | Dec 30 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | I only found this out last week. | Dec 30 11:43 |
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| TheOriginalSR | That doesn't surprise me. | Dec 30 11:43 |
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| TheOriginalSR | My irritated commenting was based from reading the sun/ooxml thread, mate. | Dec 30 11:44 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Is Sun responsible for ooxml in oo.o? | Dec 30 11:44 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Being on SLED for a year, we've had a, rather, outdated version ;-) | Dec 30 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | It implemented this at a later stage because Microsoft managed to bribe enough companies (Novell included) to ram it down ISO's throat. | Dec 30 11:45 |
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| TheOriginalSR | So then Novell forked a version that already had ooxml? | Dec 30 11:45 |
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| TheOriginalSR | If so, as much as I despise Novell, it doesn't seem like thier fault... | Dec 30 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Not quite | Dec 30 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Go-OOXML is older | Dec 30 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | And Novell built a 'translator' as part of its commitment to Microsoft | Dec 30 11:46 |
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| TheOriginalSR | so Go had ooxml *before* Sun implemented it? | Dec 30 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 30 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Novell built software | Dec 30 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Linspire and Turbolinux too | Dec 30 11:46 |
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| TheOriginalSR | ok. then that clarifies my understanding greatly. | Dec 30 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | That was part of their dfeal with Microsoft | Dec 30 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft: "we won't shoot your knees if you support and implement OOXML" | Dec 30 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | By doing so, they enabled Microsoft to say, "look, we have FOSS companies supporting OOMXL" | Dec 30 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | They just didn't say that it was bribed for | Dec 30 11:47 |
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| TheOriginalSR | *nothing* Novell does surprises me. | Dec 30 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | That was just 'insignificant' details | Dec 30 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | Acquires (bought) consent | Dec 30 11:48 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Microsoft *buys* everything. Novell becomes a prop to make it look like they have legit competition | Dec 30 11:49 |
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| TheOriginalSR | and if worse comes to worse, they aquire Novell and the rights to Unix. | Dec 30 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | Can you help me proofread this? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/... | Dec 30 11:50 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I've already been threatened by the Novell system - I know what happens to dissenting voices ;-) | Dec 30 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | I could use a second pair of eyes | Dec 30 11:50 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Hence, me not posting for a year. | Dec 30 11:50 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Sure | Dec 30 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's also about the same topic of payments for favbours | Dec 30 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | but it's new (posted 30 secs ago) | Dec 30 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | > "Hence, me not posting for a year." Yes, well, I learned a lot over the past year | Dec 30 11:51 |
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| schestowitz | The research is very cumulative | Dec 30 11:51 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Is Gates buying CDs, or are they more direct investments? (less traceable) | Dec 30 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | CDs? | Dec 30 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | Stands for? | Dec 30 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | Congress delegates? | Dec 30 11:54 |
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| TheOriginalSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certif... | Dec 30 11:56 |
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| TheOriginalSR | guaranteed investmens, if you will. | Dec 30 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Like SCO's? | Dec 30 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Larry Goldfarb, Baystar, key investor in SCO: "[Microsoft's] Mr. Emerson and I discussed a variety of investment structures wherein Microsoft would 'backstop,' or guarantee in some way, BayStar's investment.... Microsoft assured me that it would in some way guarantee BayStar's investment in SCO." | Dec 30 11:56 |
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| TheOriginalSR | not really. it's like buying stock in a government, almost like a loan. | Dec 30 11:57 |
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| TheOriginalSR | not entirely ethical, as reciprocation is "expected", but not quite an outright bribe ;-) | Dec 30 11:57 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Oh, this one hurts, Roy. I campaigned for Obama :-( | Dec 30 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | Me too | Dec 30 11:58 |
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| TheOriginalSR | This is *very* odd. I'm under the understanding that "personal" contributions are capped at 2K | Dec 30 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | I promoted his candidancy in BN | Dec 30 11:59 |
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| *MinceR has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) | Dec 30 11:59 |
| schestowitz | But I am not blind to issues | Dec 30 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | I like Linux, but I don't approve Linus' stance on GPLv3 | Dec 30 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | I also disagree with RMS on some issues, but I love GNU and FSF | Dec 30 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | Unconditional admiration or love is dangerous | Dec 30 12:00 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Oh my. This is fairly common here in the States, I must admit. | Dec 30 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | That's how leaders can push people into a 'war' in Vietnam and other stupid things. | Dec 30 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | Don't idolise Obama yet | Dec 30 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | He's the lesser bad choice | Dec 30 12:00 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Corps often contribute under "employee" names, often without even thier knowledge | Dec 30 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | The whole system in the US is seriously broken | Dec 30 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | Characteristics of Failed State(R) | Dec 30 12:01 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Aye. We're run by special interest groups, with the populace only catered to during "elections" | Dec 30 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | TheOriginalSR: being common never makes a thing alright | Dec 30 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/16/... | Dec 30 12:01 |
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| TheOriginalSR | no, not at all. I didn't mean to say that. Just that sadly, it happens often :-( | Dec 30 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | “Microsoft’s perspective is best reflected by Bob Herbold, Chief Operating Officer, to whom the CFO reports. Bob very sincerely replied, “Bill, everyone is doing it.” " | Dec 30 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | There are countries that were destoryed by blind love for a 'fuhrer' | Dec 30 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | Obama faces obstacled | Dec 30 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | Obama faces obstacles | Dec 30 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | They say (some say) that Kennedy was killed for trying to change the system | Dec 30 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | As in reform it | Dec 30 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | Mandela almost died too | Dec 30 12:03 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Yep. Fuhrer Bush almost destroyed mine. "You're either for me or terrorists" directllly mirrors Goebellls | Dec 30 12:04 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Kennedy was. He was shot precisely *4* days after announcing he would end the Vietnam War ;-) | Dec 30 12:05 |
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| TheOriginalSR | My hero, Steven Bantu Biko, *did* die for attempting peaceful reform and peace ;-) | Dec 30 12:05 |
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| schestowitz | TheOriginalSR: I know too little about Kennedy | Dec 30 12:06 |
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| TheOriginalSR | What is the money-trail now? Where are these outlandish monies going... | Dec 30 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | Not my home country (nor my days) | Dec 30 12:07 |
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| trmanco | http://www.internetling.com/2008/12/2... | Dec 30 12:07 |
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| *schestowitz looks up Steven Bantu Bik | Dec 30 12:07 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I saw it but won't feed it | Dec 30 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | It feeds a Microsoft lackey (Adrian) | Dec 30 12:07 |
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| TheOriginalSR | brb - going to boot up Mint instead of SuSE | Dec 30 12:07 |
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| trmanco | ok | Dec 30 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | What do you mean? Whicfh money trails? | Dec 30 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, he's gone | Dec 30 12:08 |
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| trmanco | Scammers Use Microsoft and IRS Websites To Install Viruses On Computers – Antivirus 2009 And Other Spyware Programs: http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q... | Dec 30 12:12 |
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| MinceR | r4wr | Dec 30 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Dec 30 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I saw that earlier | Dec 30 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it in BN | Dec 30 12:18 |
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| TheOriginalSR | The only problem I can see with the article is that if, say, %100 percent of the monies go to charity, the article could backfire.. | Dec 30 12:18 |
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| trmanco | meh, you always beat me to it :-P | Dec 30 12:18 |
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| TheOriginalSR | but if there's no money trail, there's *serious* trouble... | Dec 30 12:20 |
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| TheOriginalSR | also - has Red Hat possibly donated? Or the FSF? | Dec 30 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | Which money? | Dec 30 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | The Gates money? | Dec 30 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | What *is* charity? | Dec 30 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | Drugware? | Dec 30 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | 'Free' addictionware? | Dec 30 12:24 |
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| TheOriginalSR | good question. not as in "Gates Foundation" charity. | Dec 30 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | Did you follow the link on anchor 'charity'? | Dec 30 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of people have misconception about what it is | Dec 30 12:24 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I must not have. Let me read again... | Dec 30 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | Because the media which reports about it is owned by the very same entities it reports on | Dec 30 12:25 |
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| TheOriginalSR | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008... | Dec 30 12:28 |
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| TheOriginalSR | so "individual" contributors is as close as legally possible to a bribe ;-) | Dec 30 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | Well... | Dec 30 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't say that, but you did. | Dec 30 12:30 |
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| TheOriginalSR | I did. Because it appears to be true ;-) | Dec 30 12:30 |
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| trmanco | Windows 7 Fails to Play Nice with Legacy USB Network Adapters: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-7-Fails-t... | Dec 30 12:30 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Win7 is going to get alot of debugging before GM, though. | Dec 30 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 doesn't exist yet | Dec 30 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's just Vista with some gloss | Dec 30 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | For Microsoft fans to play with early for rave 'reviews | Dec 30 12:31 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Of course, it'll still be DRM restrictive, but trivial issues like that won't exist. | Dec 30 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's like Vista circa 2005 all over again. | Dec 30 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | Let the Windows fanatics play with it and pretend it's drek on a plate | Dec 30 12:32 |
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| TheOriginalSR | It's Vista with a slightly different DE. Same restrictions on freedom, nicer wallpaper ;-) | Dec 30 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: unless it's to do with manipulation, I'd rather not mention Vista7. That's what Microsoft would want | Dec 30 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | If you put vapourware in people's faces, they can almost feel like it's already out | Dec 30 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | That's the point of vapourware.. to freeze the market | Dec 30 12:33 |
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| trmanco | it an illusion | Dec 30 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's patent troll Myhrvold wrote this in an E-mail. | Dec 30 12:33 |
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| TheOriginalSR | remember Allchin's +1 evengelism quote ;-) | Dec 30 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | TheOriginalSR: yes, it has a nice wallpaper | Dec 30 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | I can't wait until it comes out | Dec 30 12:33 |
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| *schestowitz has about 60 wallpaper from the Vista set | Dec 30 12:34 |
| PetoKraus | :) | Dec 30 12:34 |
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| trmanco | some people are trying it in a VM, it is not real hardware, where you have to download drivers for 3d acceleration | Dec 30 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | shuffles these among hundreds more in KDE3.5 | Dec 30 12:34 |
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| trmanco | anti virus and stuff | Dec 30 12:34 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Yeah. So even more teachers can be locked out of teahing devices, just in case someone has figured out how to copy movies from the same deevice ;0* | Dec 30 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing was said about Vista7 secuerity mind you. | Dec 30 12:35 |
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| trmanco | so people are saying it is faster, and that is because it hasn't been bloated up as it is going to be when OEM start to ship that crap | Dec 30 12:35 |
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| TheOriginalSR | gah. I can't see half of my posts LOL | Dec 30 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | No coincidence.. Vista is a security mess for so many reasons and Vista7 leaves it as is. | Dec 30 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: /which/ people say this? | Dec 30 12:35 |
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| TheOriginalSR | It's only faster because of the Acer Ferrari's it's distributed with ;-) | Dec 30 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | Those whom Microsoft bribed with dual-core laptops? | Dec 30 12:35 |
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| trmanco | as schestowitz says, it is Vista with some more lipstick | Dec 30 12:35 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, no | Dec 30 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | Or those whose job is to sell Windows books (Ed Bott et al) | Dec 30 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's naked emperor | Dec 30 12:36 |
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| trmanco | 1 sec | Dec 30 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | The mother with 3 kids doesn't have a new $2000 laptop from Lenivi | Dec 30 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | Lenovo | Dec 30 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | And given the Depression that's coming, she won't buy a new one either. | Dec 30 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | Mint would do anything she needs for free, on the existing h/w, without turning her to part of t a botnet | Dec 30 12:37 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Hopefully, she'll buy a netbook with Linux ;-) | Dec 30 12:37 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, stuff like this: http://srcasm.com/2008/12/29/initia... | Dec 30 12:37 |
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| TheOriginalSR | We'll see. I'm almost ready to boot into Mint 6 on hardware that XP chokes on ;-) | Dec 30 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: it says nothing about h/w | Dec 30 12:37 |
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| trmanco | VM | Dec 30 12:38 |
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| TheOriginalSR | It's already faster from LiveCD than XP was on the hard drive | Dec 30 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | Yup, nothing abouu h/w | Dec 30 12:38 |
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| trmanco | he tested it in a VM, it is not real hardware | Dec 30 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | The blog's tag cloud is worth a glance | Dec 30 12:38 |
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| TheOriginalSR | Win7 is aiming for slightly-higher-than-Vista level hardware. Which puts it out of reach of probably 50% of the popullation. | Dec 30 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://srcasm.com/about-2/ | Dec 30 12:38 |
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| TheOriginalSR | installation complete. brb | Dec 30 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: people with needed equipment and software benchmarked Vista7 | Dec 30 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's as heavy as Vista | Dec 30 12:39 |
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| trmanco | yes I remember that | Dec 30 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | Some guy that says "Two words — It’s Fast!" is no benchmark | Dec 30 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's like saying, "gosh! I'm so hungry I could east a horse" | Dec 30 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | To use that example from Elaine in Seinfeld. | Dec 30 12:40 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 30 12:40 |
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| trmanco | cool -> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=... | Dec 30 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: can you pls spot typos for me? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/30/un... | Dec 30 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, I saw the AMD news this morning. It's big win. | Dec 30 13:02 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, where? | Dec 30 13:03 |
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| trmanco | all the post | Dec 30 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, please. | Dec 30 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | If you read the site, then it's easy.. | Dec 30 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, if people read it anyway, then they can easily report typos | Dec 30 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | Omar was doing that a few times. | Dec 30 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | It's better to have that corrected once it's spotted | Dec 30 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | In Groklaw there's a thread only for corrections. | Dec 30 13:04 |
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| trmanco | ok, I'll check in 5 minutes | Dec 30 13:04 |
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| trmanco | I have to go do something before I explode :| | Dec 30 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like you need ./Wine | Dec 30 13:05 |
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| PetoKraus | :) well yeah | Dec 30 13:07 |
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| trmanco | back | Dec 30 13:12 |
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| trmanco | I'll be checking it now | Dec 30 13:12 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I haven't found any typo | Dec 30 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks | Dec 30 13:16 |
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| trmanco | you're welcome | Dec 30 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: the file preview suit is connected to the Ray Niro troll. | Dec 30 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | I missed it the first time around. | Dec 30 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://reddit.jaanix.com/94912-cygnus-files-p... "Cygnus Systems has initiated a patent infringement law suit with Niro, Scavone, Haller & Niro Partners against Microsoft, Google, and Apple Inc." | Dec 30 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-d... "The UK government says that many ex-cons become homeless and commit crimes to get back in prison. To solve this tiny fraction of the homelessness problem, the Conservatives propose to withhold some of the meager pay prisoners get for their jobs." | Dec 30 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* I searched for troll and got this image: http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:S434... | Dec 30 13:58 |
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| PetoKraus | "This is part of why the UK and the US have such a high fraction of the population in prison." | Dec 30 14:00 |
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| PetoKraus | i am glad he said "part" | Dec 30 14:00 |
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| PetoKraus | the other "part" is simply because of neds | Dec 30 14:01 |
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| zoobab | http://media.ffii.org/25C3/... | Dec 30 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | Thankls. | Dec 30 14:06 |
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| zoobab | video is in the same dir | Dec 30 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: put it in Google Apps | Dec 30 14:07 |
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| zoobab | it needs to be splitted | Dec 30 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Then I can put it in an iframe | Dec 30 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | For page to page through | Dec 30 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | hehe. Nice picture | Dec 30 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Is that Sarko and Appel (MS exec) sharing a boat? ;-) | Dec 30 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Good presentation | Dec 30 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | It delivers the point concisely and convincingly. | Dec 30 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: I'll post a roundup about patents in a moment, so iframe would help | Dec 30 14:11 |
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| zoobab | http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-1... | Dec 30 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Perfect | Dec 30 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Niro, Scavone, Haller & Niro Partners = Raymond Niro, right? | Dec 30 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | Just to be 100% sure. | Dec 30 14:15 |
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| Omar87 | hi all | Dec 30 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | Rumour again: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/12/no-la... | Dec 30 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | Collaborative biz: Why (Real) Relationships Matter < http://discussionleader.hbsp.com/haqu... > | Dec 30 15:38 |
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| Omar87 | hi | Dec 30 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | How are you? | Dec 30 15:47 |
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| Omar87 | I good, thanks. | Dec 30 15:48 |
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| Omar87 | You? | Dec 30 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Just posted this seconds ago: (that's why I didn't respond) http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/30/m... | Dec 30 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | I'm OK | Dec 30 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Meeting a friend in a few hours.. new year's preparations. | Dec 30 15:48 |
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