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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 15th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:16 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Sun pages don’t load.. http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/what… Jan 15 00:01
tessier_ I just hope it isn’t too big for the community to maintain without Sun Jan 15 00:01
schestowitz Oh, it hanged… working now. Jan 15 00:01
tessier_ It may have to go to some sort of firefox model or something although firefox is funded by google search results which OOo can’t really do so who knows… Jan 15 00:02
schestowitz “But we need a lot of more people in all projects on OOo to increase the success of OOo in future. Some people talk about code contribution only.” Jan 15 00:02
schestowitz Microsoft is dumping against Sun Jan 15 00:03
schestowitz StarOffice and all Jan 15 00:03
schestowitz It seems like they sued Microsoft for it Jan 15 00:03
schestowitz But that’s not enough Jan 15 00:03
schestowitz That’s part of the Comes exhibits Jan 15 00:03
schestowitz Meeks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jo… Jan 15 00:03
schestowitz And you-know-who.. Jan 15 00:04
schestowitz Luis Suarez-Potts doesn’t seem terribly happy and he shouldn’t be. Michael Meeks Jan 15 00:04
schestowitz is ruining things with FUD and disruption Jan 15 00:04
PetoKraus my OOo bug has been opened 14th of november Jan 15 00:06
PetoKraus NOTHING happened Jan 15 00:06
schestowitz BN did in 14 days better than it did in the past months (full months) :-) Jan 15 00:06
schestowitz Xavier School dumps Windows for Linux < http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/babelmac… > Jan 15 00:09
schestowitz Will Microsoft now chase this schools with EDGI? Jan 15 00:10
PetoKraus there’s so many bugs opened on Sun’s page Jan 15 00:10
PetoKraus it doesn’t even feel like they are doing anything Jan 15 00:10
schestowitz Yes, it’s a big program Jan 15 00:10
PetoKraus oh well Jan 15 00:10
schestowitz Same with KDE Jan 15 00:10
PetoKraus it needs a rewrite. Jan 15 00:10
PetoKraus everything in this OS needs a rewrite Jan 15 00:11
schestowitz OOo does what it needs for me Jan 15 00:11
PetoKraus same for me Jan 15 00:11
schestowitz Like opening loads of stupid PPSs that my mom sends me Jan 15 00:11
PetoKraus but i don’t like some “features” Jan 15 00:11
schestowitz I don’t use it to write Jan 15 00:11
PetoKraus like OOo’s window management and stuff Jan 15 00:11
PetoKraus I do Jan 15 00:11
schestowitz Just open cr*p Jan 15 00:11
schestowitz I use TeX for writing Jan 15 00:11
schestowitz LyX makes it a dream Jan 15 00:12
PetoKraus oh well Jan 15 00:12
PetoKraus lyx? Jan 15 00:12
schestowitz Elegant, simple, portable. Jan 15 00:12
schestowitz Yes, lyx.org Jan 15 00:12
PetoKraus yeah Jan 15 00:12
schestowitz it’s a front end to TeX Jan 15 00:12
PetoKraus though it’s the one Jan 15 00:12
PetoKraus yeah Jan 15 00:12
PetoKraus i’ve got it Jan 15 00:12
schestowitz No ODF Jan 15 00:12
schestowitz TeX and ODF become an interesting story Jan 15 00:12
PetoKraus i figured out it would be too much work for me to Jan 15 00:12
PetoKraus switch Jan 15 00:12
schestowitz Tex-> PS, PDF… any ODF exporter? Jan 15 00:12
PetoKraus umm Jan 15 00:13
PetoKraus tex -> PDF -> OOo Draw Jan 15 00:13
PetoKraus here you go! Jan 15 00:13
schestowitz Oh. Jan 15 00:14
schestowitz Painting letters Jan 15 00:14
schestowitz Blimey.. what for? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=ne… Jan 15 00:15
schestowitz He already has the IRC channel Jan 15 00:15
schestowitz Which I’m in, but it’s not terribly useful Jan 15 00:15
schestowitz EU launches new Microsoft antitrust probe http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ce90532-c2c1-11… Jan 15 00:18
schestowitz Dann. 2008!! Jan 15 00:21
schestowitz Why is Andy posting Jan. 2008 news? Jan 15 00:21
schestowitz Was going to post this via Andy Updegrove… “Quick Mention: Microsoft Hit by Antitrust Action in Europe — Again” http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ce90532-c2c1-11… Old news *sigh* Jan 15 00:22
schestowitz Seigo does prose rather than code… http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/buildi… Jan 15 00:34
schestowitz We’ve made CNET again: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-101427… Jan 15 01:00
schestowitz I feel as though trolling in COLA slowed down a bit. Microsoft, internally at least, feels defeated. Jan 15 01:06
tessier_ schestowitz: How are you doing for hardware/bandwidth etc? Is your current setup holding up? Jan 15 01:18
schestowitz Yes, why wouldn’t it? Jan 15 01:19
schestowitz BN or desktop? Jan 15 01:19
tessier_ BN Jan 15 01:20
tessier_ It seems you are getting a lot more traffic and attention lately. Jan 15 01:20
tessier_ We don’t want you to go down when you get slashdotted etc. Jan 15 01:21
schestowitz Shane could speak to the host Jan 15 01:21
schestowitz But it’s better to optimise somehow Jan 15 01:21
schestowitz DB thrashing is very high Jan 15 01:22
schestowitz Like over 200 db queries per pageloads, leading to other internal pages (i.e. visitors request a series of pages.. with PNGs and all) Jan 15 01:22
tessier_ Ouch. No way to statically pre-generate those pages? Jan 15 01:22
tessier_ Or front it with squid to cache them? Jan 15 01:22
tessier_ db queries are always what kill you first. Followed by imaging hurting disk/bandwidth. Jan 15 01:23
schestowitz Groklaw too could not cope when SCO filed Ch11. Jan 15 01:23
tessier_ images Jan 15 01:23
schestowitz It went bonkers Jan 15 01:23
schestowitz The DB and all… Jan 15 01:23
schestowitz But they have few (or almost none of) images Jan 15 01:23
schestowitz AMD donated a server to them after the old one went titsup or something Jan 15 01:23
tessier_ At the various high traffic sites I’ve worked on we always serve up static pages, sometimes out of squid. And have a queue that generates the pages every minute or 5 or whatever if they change a lot Jan 15 01:23
tessier_ But using standard blogging software I’m not sure how possible that is. Jan 15 01:24
schestowitz I have issues with the sw Jan 15 01:24
schestowitz Adding plugins is flaky Jan 15 01:24
schestowitz I could, however, do this manually Jan 15 01:24
schestowitz .htaccess redir to statics Jan 15 01:24
schestowitz But I used Coral Jan 15 01:25
schestowitz Which puts static on a second farm of servers Jan 15 01:25
schestowitz That static links to about 30 pages in BN though (non-static), so you get a flow of people who land on Coral and move ‘on’ to BN. Jan 15 01:26
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anivar schestowitz: EDGI in news http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story… Jan 15 01:50
schestowitz Excellent. Jan 15 01:51
schestowitz I have the post almost ready Jan 15 01:51
anivar ok Jan 15 01:53
schestowitz It was on Slashdot Jan 15 01:54
anivar I have seen that Jan 15 01:55
schestowitz People start talking publicly about being ‘Peter Quinned’ Jan 15 01:55
schestowitz They need to testofy Jan 15 01:55
anivar great Jan 15 01:55
schestowitz *tify Jan 15 01:55
schestowitz In Mass. you could find the perpetrators Jan 15 01:55
schestowitz It was Microsoft+lackeys Jan 15 01:55
anivar schestowitz:  it is the 2nd slashdotting for BNM r8 Jan 15 01:56
anivar BN Jan 15 01:56
schestowitz No. Jan 15 01:57
schestowitz I don’t remember how many times we made it Jan 15 01:57
schestowitz Maybe 6 Jan 15 01:57
anivar Great Jan 15 01:57
schestowitz We need good stories Jan 15 01:59
schestowitz I’ve been relying on Comes Jan 15 01:59
schestowitz I have some new bits in that next India-EDGI items Jan 15 02:00
schestowitz Then several more on EDGI, then IDC-Gartner scams Jan 15 02:00
schestowitz I haver loads more from previous case, but maybe I’ll aggregate them Jan 15 02:00
anivar great Jan 15 02:02
anivar I suggest you to Organise Website Little more structured  and select a new theme Jan 15 02:02
anivar The Current theme is little bulky Jan 15 02:03
anivar It is better to  go for a theme change after 2 years Jan 15 02:03
schestowitz I know.. Jan 15 02:03
schestowitz But there are other issues Jan 15 02:03
schestowitz Same with changing domains Jan 15 02:04
schestowitz I wanted to do this long ago Jan 15 02:04
schestowitz It’s complicated for many peripheral reasons. Jan 15 02:04
anivar After all this is wordpress right ? so what is the issue Jan 15 02:04
schestowitz Several Jan 15 02:11
schestowitz Upgrade-wise, layout affects post presentation and sometimes I fitted posts to the theme Jan 15 02:12
schestowitz But that’s mminor stuff Jan 15 02:12
schestowitz Bigger issues are things like plugins that I need to test Jan 15 02:12
schestowitz Mosty cross-referencing ones Jan 15 02:12
anivar ok Jan 15 02:17
schestowitz *mostly Jan 15 02:18
schestowitz Maybe I’ll upgrade at some stage. I run the latest version in other blogs Jan 15 02:19
schestowitz No real advantage there Jan 15 02:19
anivar hmm Jan 15 02:20
schestowitz Themes are a matter of taste too Jan 15 02:25
schestowitz Re: strature, that would be a lot of work Jan 15 02:25
schestowitz *Structure;  someone volunteered to help for a while Jan 15 02:25
schestowitz So we got some index pages Jan 15 02:26
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schestowitz Hey, curves Jan 15 02:33
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neighborlee schestowitz, either we have a new member or your calling out my pesky side kick LOL Jan 15 02:58
neighborlee schestowitz, atm im reading through the firefox and moonlight (mono) ‘free software’ status list discussion Jan 15 02:59
schestowitz Mono light? Jan 15 02:59
neighborlee lol Jan 15 02:59
neighborlee schestowitz, did PJ ever come to her own conclusion on mono, this email by slated says she was… Jan 15 03:02
neighborlee was going to do some investigation similar to the moonlight story on groklaw Jan 15 03:03
neighborlee http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lin… < from here Jan 15 03:03
schestowitz yeah… Jan 15 03:05
schestowitz It’s too controversial Jan 15 03:05
schestowitz She dones’t want to alienate readers Jan 15 03:05
neighborlee ah Jan 15 03:06
neighborlee shame Jan 15 03:06
dsmith_ your no neighbor of mine lee.. :P Jan 15 03:06
neighborlee but then I guess the outcome would likely be obvious , just nailed down a bit by her. ;) Jan 15 03:06
dsmith_ but your welcome to my wirelss if you use Linux Jan 15 03:06
neighborlee dsmith_, im hurt ;) Jan 15 03:06
dsmith_ hey, at least I’m nut hurling chairs.. Jan 15 03:07
neighborlee dsmith_,lol Jan 15 03:07
neighborlee dsmith_, thx for the offer though, spoken as a true community member ;) Jan 15 03:07
dsmith_ welcome Jan 15 03:08
neighborlee With Java itself now Free Software why bother with Mono? Jan 15 03:11
neighborlee < ron yorston Jan 15 03:11
neighborlee interesting huh Jan 15 03:11
neighborlee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomboy_… <  ‘Tomboy is part of the GNOME desktop environment.’ interesting  as well if true, and from http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap < it would seem true ” Tomboy Notes Jan 15 03:55
neighborlee Complete cross-platform support  “ Jan 15 03:55
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tessier Feb/13/2009 at 23:31:30 UTC – the Unix time number reaches 1234567890 seconds. Jan 15 05:56
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schestowitz Weird… Jan 15 09:11
schestowitz I woke up, the computer didn’t respond. I had to reboot for the first time inn over 3 months. Jan 15 09:12
schestowitz 09:12:05 up 21 min,  1 user,  load average: 1.93, 1.69, 1.11 :-( :-( Jan 15 09:12
PetoKraus your e-penis was magically removed Jan 15 09:14
schestowitz http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/11/16/ho… ” Thanks Alan and all of the folks that stand up the CONVICTED monopolist that’s looking a way to destroy GNU/Linux and FOSS.” Jan 15 09:21
schestowitz PetoKraus: I haven’t done diagnostics to find out what happened. Jan 15 09:21
schestowitz Jan 15 05:35:48 <tessier>Feb/13/2009 at 23:31:30 UTC – the Unix time number reaches 1234567890 seconds. Jan 15 09:23
schestowitz Could this be related?? Jan 15 09:23
schestowitz Naaa…. Jan 15 09:23
schestowitz Jan 15 08:05:46 -christel-[Global Notice] Good Morning all, we’ll be restarting two of our servers in about half an hour. niven (v4) and simak (v6) — affected users are in the region of 2,000. We apologise for the inconvenience. Thank you for using freenode and have a good day! Jan 15 09:24
schestowitz Wait.. is there something happening that wider in terms of impact? Jan 15 09:24
MinceR geekings Jan 15 09:43
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/conte… (Motorola to slash 3000 jobs from cellphone division) Jan 15 09:44
schestowitz IBM still does its monopolistic things.. IBM’s patent blitz < http://www.itwire.com/content… > Jan 15 09:44
schestowitz I’ve just been reading on the subject of self-censorship, powered by editors and fear. How true is that. Lots of people can’t publish less conventional or vindicative things because of fear. That’s why blogs are different. Jan 15 09:46
schestowitz !!! Apple Urges Wired To Remove Hackintosh Video, Article http://www.osnews.com/story/20773/Apple_U… Jan 15 09:50
schestowitz They are doing it again… Net-censoring elites Jan 15 09:50
ushimitsudoki Apple is pretty quick with the lawyers Jan 15 09:53
schestowitz Yes, I have a big set of examples (refs) Jan 15 09:54
schestowitz They also conducted smear campaigns against researchers Jan 15 09:55
ushimitsudoki oh? i didn’t know about that … just how they try to absolutely control the press/blogs/etc around their products Jan 15 09:57
schestowitz Google killing Jaiku, Dodgeball, Notebook, other projects < http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-1014… > Jan 15 09:58
schestowitz MinceR knows the deal. If != “search engine”, then  fail(); Jan 15 09:58
MinceR :) Jan 15 09:58
schestowitz ushimitsudoki: you can’t even present Apple products in certain way Jan 15 09:58
schestowitz If you don’t show some shiny gadgets, then you harm perception. Jan 15 09:59
ushimitsudoki i never even heard of most of those google projects Jan 15 09:59
schestowitz And Linux has incompetents who think that these pictures will appeal to the general audience: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbu… Jan 15 10:00
MinceR “I bet Apple was excited about unveiling the thinnest and lightest CEO in the industry.” — http://xkcd.com/527/ Jan 15 10:01
ushimitsudoki ow, that’s harsh that ubuntu stuff isn’t that bad – it’s not awesome marketing, but it’s not poop Jan 15 10:01
*ushimitsudoki waves ubuntu flag around Jan 15 10:01
schestowitz ushimitsudoki: I have Ubuntu on the second machine at home and at work Jan 15 10:02
*schestowitz is NOT anti-Ubuntu, just doesn’t like the default theme (and prefers KDE) Jan 15 10:03
ushimitsudoki yeah ubuntu is far from perfect, but I’d like to think it’s decent enough and *could* provide a good introduction to FLOSS for newcomers Jan 15 10:03
ushimitsudoki lots of areas could be improved no doubt Jan 15 10:03
schestowitz They need to be taught that early Jan 15 10:04
schestowitz I am far more concerned about things like that new BECTA scam Jan 15 10:04
schestowitz Microsoft has many moles/former employees spread around to cause damage to kids Jan 15 10:04
ushimitsudoki it’s interesting what some ex-MSers go on to do when leaving MS … one guy has that patent troll company. another one has a “consulting” company – all it’s clients are MS websites Jan 15 10:05
schestowitz BTW (OT), while Linux.com is still AWOL (they say they’ll be back), Byfield landed in LWN Jan 15 10:05
schestowitz Some are doing open source ‘consulting’ Jan 15 10:05
schestowitz The problem is that they mislead. Jan 15 10:05
ushimitsudoki ha i’d like to see that Jan 15 10:05
schestowitz The OpenLogic CEO, Black Duck… Ohloh… Jan 15 10:06
schestowitz Stephen Walli: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/11… Jan 15 10:06
ushimitsudoki i might check into that actually – could be something interesting there Jan 15 10:06
schestowitz “Don’t use GPLv3… Microsoft is a nice company… don’t listen to those ‘zealots’… Windows is a good server..” Jan 15 10:07
schestowitz Mozill’a security chief was an ex-MSFTer. Thankfully she left after praising her former employer (MS) while wearing a Mozilla hat. Jan 15 10:07
schestowitz Windows Snyder.. Jan 15 10:08
schestowitz *Window Jan 15 10:08
schestowitz Susan Linton writes for LXF whilst Linux.com is AWOL: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.p… Jan 15 10:09
*MinceR waves the Kubuntu flag Jan 15 10:10
schestowitz http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/li… Jan 15 10:12
schestowitz Why is /. published Linux bug reports now? http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/sl… Jan 15 10:17
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schestowitz “Tainted by Mono” makes Marcel laugh.. http://wftlbytes.com/content/wftl-… Jan 15 10:35
schestowitz http://dfey.freedomdreams.co.uk/wiki/… “VENUE: BBC Headquarters, Oxford Road, Manchester” Jan 15 10:38
schestowitz Hacker redefined: http://pramode.net/2009/01/13/malayala-manor… Jan 15 10:48
schestowitz *LOL* Classic: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/u… Jan 15 10:50
schestowitz Dixons site was down last week. Now this: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/15… ; http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… (Seagate cuts go deep – 3,000 axed – not 800) Jan 15 10:50
MinceR sounds like she’ll need to find a college that doesn’t fucking suck Jan 15 10:51
schestowitz Yes Jan 15 10:53
schestowitz And a clue about computers (which are *NOT* just synonymous with Win) Jan 15 10:53
schestowitz Rackable admits Q4 sales plummet < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/14/… > Jan 15 10:53
schestowitz Bubble economy is ending… how long has it taken for the filth to come from under the rug? 3 decades? “The future is bright,” they said. Jan 15 10:54
schestowitz IDC~artner~rrester:the industry will continue to grow, buy , spend, yadda yadda. Jan 15 10:54
schestowitz Apple patents map mobile future < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1… > Jan 15 10:58
schestowitz Bush says torture still necessary < http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_says_tortu… > Jan 15 11:00
schestowitz http://www.brettonwoodsii.org/projects/show… “The title on my presentation, delivered on 8 December 2008, was “A Quick Sketch of the Fundamental Determinants of the Economy Today”. As you can see from the title of this online project, I’ve come to prefer an alternate title that originated as a phrase from one of the frames of the presentation: The Great Due Date of 2008″ Jan 15 11:02
schestowitz “It is unclear how much a drop in PC sales will impact Microsoft’s results for the quarter, which it will report next Thursday.” http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/ar… Jan 15 11:14
schestowitz me to IBM re patents: “Is this a goodwill utility now? A case of taking away thoughts and then selling them/giving them back?” Jan 15 11:23
schestowitz Patent Attorneys Say RIM Court Case’s 5m Pounds Legal Bill Highlights Risk of Uncontrolled Costs in Patent Litigation http://tinyurl.com/73h5jl Jan 15 11:28
zoobab they were arguing against swpats in this court case Jan 15 11:31
zoobab RIM vs Visto Jan 15 11:31
schestowitz Yes, thanks for catching it Jan 15 11:31
schestowitz A month later.. Jan 15 11:31
schestowitz I’ll do a big post later Jan 15 11:32
schestowitz Still catching up….. Jan 15 11:32
schestowitz SAP Project Costs Cited in Jeweler’s Bankruptcy Filing < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157058/sap_proje… > Jan 15 11:38
schestowitz ITWire says 3000: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22670/1055/ (Motorola to slash 3000 jobs from cellphone division) but IDG says 3000+1000 http://www.pcworld.com/article/157… (Motorola Announces 4,000 More Layoffs) Jan 15 11:41
schestowitz Marc’s wife blogs a bit.. http://www.thedelphicfuture.org/2009/01/… Jan 15 11:45
schestowitz “Selling the company was very hard. I don’t think people can appreciate that unless they’ve done it. The attitude can be–just take your big ass divorce settlement and move on. However, when you’re a creative person, it’s difficult to give up control. You feel like you’ve sold your child upriver. JBoss had a very distinctive personality.” Jan 15 11:46
schestowitz Jan 15 11:47
schestowitz Back when we were struggling, I would occasionally run into or read about the Dot Com success stories. I remember thinking how these people were so full of themselves, so convinced that they had worked harder and were smarter than everybody else. The truth is that anybody with an ounce of perspective knows people who are smarter and have worked harder than themselves, people that didn’t make it because the timing wasn’t right or be Jan 15 11:47
schestowitz cause of circumstances beyond their control.” Jan 15 11:47
schestowitz Ricardo Montalban dies at 88; ‘Fantasy Island’ actor <  http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-… > Jan 15 12:20
schestowitz http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2009/0… Jan 15 12:24
schestowitz This theme looks a bit like Enlightenment Jan 15 12:25
schestowitz http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=513 “The incredible number of configurable options in KDE is one of the things I love about it, and hate in Gnome, because that level of reconfigurability is absent.  Yet, oddly, a lot of people love that.  So, if they don’t mind loosing some power tools in favor of greater ease of use, then so be it.” Jan 15 12:27
schestowitz Sounds like another Beranger: http://getshotwithlinux.zenerves.net/2009… Jan 15 12:30
schestowitz Woman blames Dell for missing online classes < http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/stor… > Jan 15 12:46
schestowitz “As a result, with no internet and no Microsoft Word, Schubert dropped out of MATC’s fall and spring semesters.” This is news-worthy??? Smells like someone with a an axe to grind Jan 15 12:47
schestowitz Mags are comparing vapourware to a finished products. This is insane. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/… Jan 15 13:02
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_Doug hi there .. y’ll Jan 15 13:03
schestowitz Hey Jan 15 13:04
_Doug what’s happening ? Jan 15 13:04
schestowitz Journos are promoting the misconception that a non-existent O/S (maybe to be released in 2010 with DRM enabled) is already here to compete. That’s playing right into Microsoft’s hands. Jan 15 13:06
_Doug vaporware, designed to freeze the market .. Jan 15 13:07
_Doug Right now they can have a multimedia hi-spec computer, that’ll sell like hot.cakes .. Jan 15 13:08
_Doug The embedded market is also going to be huge .. Jan 15 13:08
schestowitz natham talks about vapourware Jan 15 13:08
schestowitz Masters of bubbles Jan 15 13:08
schestowitz *nathanm Jan 15 13:08
schestowitz ES: Axarquía county administration moves all desktops to open source http://www.osor.eu/news/es-axarquia-county-… Jan 15 13:09
schestowitz Why Linux will crush Windows 7 http://blogs.computerworld.com/… Jan 15 13:09
schestowitz People dumping their Mac now.. for Linux Jan 15 13:09
schestowitz Correlated to Jobs news? Jan 15 13:09
_Doug not unless the consumers can get it in the high-street or mail-order .. Jan 15 13:09
schestowitz Switching http://technovia.co.uk/2009/01/swit… “Apple doesn’t produce a less-powerful 15in machine, but plenty of other vendors do. It’s understandable from a supply-line and product simplicity perspective for Apple to keep its product lines as tight as possible. But at the end of the day it also means that it doesn’t make a machine which matches my needs.” Jan 15 13:09
schestowitz The end of my love affair with Apple? http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2031 Jan 15 13:10
schestowitz _Doug: not many people buy/will buy new PCs Jan 15 13:10
schestowitz So the preinstallation barrier is less of an issue, hopefully. Jan 15 13:10
_Doug http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=… Jan 15 13:10
_Doug why not ? Jan 15 13:10
schestowitz This video scaled poorly… grainy Jan 15 13:11
_Doug If I bought ‘naked’ hardware and put this on the machines, they would fly off the shelves .. Jan 15 13:12
_Doug Download the LinuxMCE video in high-def .. here: http://wiki.linuxmce.com/index.php Jan 15 13:12
schestowitz “The same is true in the US. Perhaps Israel should stop trying to “help” us fight the “war on terror” and help us with the more important “war on cars”.” http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-fe…) Jan 15 13:13
schestowitz Environment.. Jan 15 13:13
schestowitz “War on cars”… Jan 15 13:13
schestowitz _Doug: some companies already sell LinuxMCE appliances Jan 15 13:13
schestowitz Advertising might be a barriers though. Jan 15 13:13
_Doug restrictive OEM contracts more likely Jan 15 13:14
schestowitz That too… Jan 15 13:15
schestowitz BTW.. Jan 15 13:15
schestowitz I’ve made copies of all “Comes” posts Jan 15 13:15
schestowitz I’ll decide how to publicise them more widely later… Jan 15 13:15
_Doug why are you telling me :) Jan 15 13:16
schestowitz Probably will need assembling by topic… like… Jan 15 13:16
_Doug What happened with Shane ? Jan 15 13:16
schestowitz OS/2… regroup, then maybe extract full text Jan 15 13:16
schestowitz Shane’s humour misunderstood and he wrongly thought stuff while away Jan 15 13:16
schestowitz He thought people were arrested in India Jan 15 13:16
_Doug you neee someone to cross–reference the whole thing .. Jan 15 13:16
schestowitz Not true Jan 15 13:16
schestowitz He also thought it was related to BN Jan 15 13:16
schestowitz Not true. Jan 15 13:16
schestowitz _Doug: yes, other cross-refed it too Jan 15 13:17
_Doug a Wiki .. yes ? Jan 15 13:17
_Doug any volunteers ? Jan 15 13:17
_Doug benJIman ? Jan 15 13:17
schestowitz Some people have tagged and labeled these. No hurry there… been out there in DoJ cardbox boxes for 20 years… can wait another 20 days.. or weeks. Jan 15 13:17
schestowitz _Doug: I thought about it Jan 15 13:18
schestowitz Wiki as a workspace would be handy.. like… Jan 15 13:18
_Doug Time flies, I’m due to retire to the pacific with my filipino mailorder brides .. :) Jan 15 13:18
schestowitz I edit some doc… then someone links it to another that’s currently worked on.. at the end comes a summary.. as post. Jan 15 13:18
_Doug Can someone set up a comes Wiki ? Jan 15 13:18
schestowitz You can’t escape the de[ep] re[ce]ssion Jan 15 13:19
schestowitz Not country is immune Jan 15 13:19
schestowitz I could set one up Jan 15 13:19
MinceR s/p\]/\]p/ Jan 15 13:19
schestowitz Spam is an issue. Jan 15 13:19
schestowitz Should I made it subs only? Jan 15 13:19
schestowitz for edits? Jan 15 13:19
_Doug yea, of course … Jan 15 13:20
schestowitz I have Wikis in two other sites and they got spam Jan 15 13:20
_Doug Extend your desktop and laptop environments with factory-installed Ubuntu on select Dell Jan 15 13:20
_Doug http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/alli… Jan 15 13:20
_Doug any volunteer editors on here ? Jan 15 13:21
schestowitz Doug, I can set up initial content Jan 15 13:23
schestowitz Subsite for BN? Jan 15 13:23
schestowitz wiki.boycottnovell.com? Jan 15 13:23
MinceR how’s the dell linux patent deal going? Jan 15 13:23
schestowitz community.boycottnovell.com? Jan 15 13:23
trmanco wiki :) Jan 15 13:23
_Doug I do believe boycotting Novell is a side issue .. Jan 15 13:24
schestowitz As Bush Goes, Labour Ditch Policies http://www.blairwatch.co.uk/node/2118 Jan 15 13:24
schestowitz _Doug: I know Jan 15 13:24
schestowitz It wasn’t just about Novell Jan 15 13:24
schestowitz Even in 2006 Jan 15 13:24
schestowitz It was the raison detre Jan 15 13:24
_Doug you need to expand the issues to the general tech sector .. Jan 15 13:24
schestowitz MinceR: sheesh. Can’t talk about the Dell Deal. Jan 15 13:24
MinceR why? Jan 15 13:24
schestowitz MinceR: if only people found out.. Jan 15 13:24
_Doug like theRegister or what slashdot used to be … Jan 15 13:24
schestowitz OK, let me set up a Wiki Jan 15 13:25
_Doug before it started advertising Visto .. Jan 15 13:25
schestowitz http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/… ? Jan 15 13:25
schestowitz Anything better? Jan 15 13:25
schestowitz I used PHPWiki in two sites… it’s too simple Jan 15 13:26
schestowitz But simple can be good too Jan 15 13:26
_Doug it’s amazing how a bunch of amatures could build the Linux MCE in their bedrooms .. :) Jan 15 13:26
trmanco Researcher: Worm infects 1.1M Windows PCs in 24 hours: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com… Jan 15 13:27
schestowitz Just 1? Jan 15 13:27
schestowitz There are like 350 Jan 15 13:27
_Doug so, who is going to host the Comes Wiiki ? Jan 15 13:27
schestowitz I can Jan 15 13:28
schestowitz Will you help? Jan 15 13:28
schestowitz You can toss there what you put elsewhere, then we edit together and publish Jan 15 13:28
_Doug sure .. Jan 15 13:28
schestowitz Indexed by the Gooooogle too Jan 15 13:28
schestowitz OK, I’ll install Jan 15 13:28
_Doug yep .. Jan 15 13:28
_Doug gtg .. later … Jan 15 13:28
*_Doug has quit (“http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client”) Jan 15 13:28
schestowitz Subsite name? Jan 15 13:32
schestowitz comminite.bn.com? Jan 15 13:32
schestowitz wiki.bn.com? Jan 15 13:32
schestowitz workspace.bn.com? Jan 15 13:32
trmanco wiki Jan 15 13:33
schestowitz OK Jan 15 13:33
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/ Jan 15 13:35
schestowitz Not on DNS yet?? Jan 15 13:35
schestowitz “Firefox can’t find the server at wiki.boycottnovell.com.” < http://wiki.boycottnovell.com/ > Jan 15 13:35
schestowitz It’s a subsite Jan 15 13:35
trmanco nope ot yet Jan 15 13:40
schestowitz It worked for me before. Jan 15 13:44
schestowitz I doubt it needs DNS update Jan 15 13:44
schestowitz “The International Energy Agency (IEA), which “advises most major governments across the world on energy policy,” has systematically underestimated the potential of renewable energy sources like wind and solar, “because of its ties to the oil, gas and nuclear sectors,” charges Energy Watch, a group of scientists and politicians.” http://www.prwatch.org/node/8132 Jan 15 13:46
schestowitz Still uploading the s/w Jan 15 13:52
schestowitz 1300+ files :-o Jan 15 13:52
schestowitz “Ballmer will undoubtedly announce 10% layoffs — the bottom 10% performers no doubt.” comment from http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Rumored_M… Jan 15 13:54
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/ind… Jan 15 14:10
schestowitz I can’t get the bloody subsite to be valid Jan 15 14:10
schestowitz Not even a redirection works for http://wiki.boycottnovell.com/ . Does this require DNS update? Jan 15 14:14
schestowitz ┌─(roy@localhost Thu, 15 Jan 09)─——————————————— —————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz └─(14:14 $)─> ping xml.schestowitz.com Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz PING xml.schestowitz.com (84.18.207.66) 56(84) bytes of data. Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz 64 bytes from blueberry.catalyst2.com (84.18.207.66): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=6.93 ms Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz 64 bytes from blueberry.catalyst2.com (84.18.207.66): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=6.94 ms Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz 64 bytes from blueberry.catalyst2.com (84.18.207.66): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=7.18 ms Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz — xml.schestowitz.com ping statistics — Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 6.937/7.020/7.180/0.113 ms Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz ┌─(roy@localhost Thu, 15 Jan 09)─————————— ———————————————— ———─(/home/roy)────┐ Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz └─(14:14 $)─> ping xml.botcottnovell.com Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz ping: unknown host xml.botcottnovell.com Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz ┌─(roy@localhost Thu, 15 Jan 09)─———————————— ————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz └─(14:14 $)─> ping wiki.botcottnovell.com Jan 15 14:15
schestowitz ping: unknown host wiki.botcottnovell.com Jan 15 14:15
MinceR afaik there should be at least a CNAME entry Jan 15 14:15
MinceR you misspelled “boycottnovell” Jan 15 14:16
schestowitz └─(14:16 $)─> ping wiki.boycottnovell.com Jan 15 14:16
schestowitz ping: unknown host wiki.boycottnovell.com Jan 15 14:16
schestowitz PING boycottnovell.com (72.29.75.151) 56(84) bytes of data. Jan 15 14:17
schestowitz 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=104 ms Jan 15 14:17
schestowitz 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=2 ttl=47 time=105 ms Jan 15 14:17
schestowitz 64 bytes from pass3.dizinc.com (72.29.75.151): icmp_seq=3 ttl=47 time=104 ms Jan 15 14:17
schestowitz I dunno…….. Jan 15 14:17
trmanco won’t work here either Jan 15 14:20
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 15 14:25
schestowitz Logo added: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php… Jan 15 14:35
schestowitz Default _Mono_book (yes, that’s what they call it) Jan 15 14:35
PetoKraus right, now i am genuinely pissed off Jan 15 14:42
PetoKraus my new camcorder has a white pixel. Jan 15 14:42
trmanco cool Jan 15 14:44
trmanco the wiki Jan 15 14:45
schestowitz I’m accommodating it with my notes now Jan 15 14:45
schestowitz Doug did lots of work picking up bits Jan 15 14:45
schestowitz PetoKraus: have it replaced Jan 15 14:45
schestowitz Some exhibits are lots of work…… http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/011607/8… ……. 90 pages!!!!! Jan 15 14:47
*karabas (n=karabas@87.255.70.165) has joined #boycottnovell Jan 15 14:48
PetoKraus this is freaking annoying Jan 15 14:52
schestowitz Yes, *hit happens. Jan 15 14:56
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