| MinceR | yohoho | Jan 31 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | MOG: "SCO’s Appeal Hits the Fast Track" | Jan 31 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | More pro-SCO BS from her: "It's beginning to look as though we may get to hear this year if the federal appeals court buys the idea that Novell owns Unix." | Jan 31 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Wow!!! | Jan 31 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | NOVELL sacks 1000! | Jan 31 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Ouch | Jan 31 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | I'd have to be gentle when posting this.. | Jan 31 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/31/nov... Accomplishment of a boycott might be important, but I can't help thinking of individual developers who will suffer. We need to untangle the patent deal without reducing the might of the Linux development muscle. | Jan 31 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | Tell Novell to escape its Microsoft deal to regain community trust. | Jan 31 13:25 |
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| trmanco | http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Microsoft-PR-b... | Jan 31 13:37 |
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| tazbu | hi guys | Jan 31 13:38 |
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| tazbu | i just of novell's laid off | Jan 31 13:39 |
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| tazbu | : i just read about novell's laid off | Jan 31 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 31 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure what to do about it | Jan 31 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | I hope people like Hovsepian get the sack, not the engineers | Jan 31 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I wrote about this yesterday. Clown Jones is up to new lies. | Jan 31 13:41 |
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| trmanco | ok, I'm catching up with the news | Jan 31 13:42 |
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| tazbu | this is is the worst in the tech industry | Jan 31 13:42 |
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| tazbu | year | Jan 31 13:42 |
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| tazbu | this is is the worst year in the tech industry | Jan 31 13:43 |
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| tazbu | :( | Jan 31 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 31 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Novell was hit hard | Jan 31 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | It delayed this forever | Jan 31 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | It was supposed to lay off about 15% in 2008, IIRC | Jan 31 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | This explains the exodus of some Novell execs as of later. Same in MS. | Jan 31 13:43 |
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| tazbu | how many lays off microsoft has | Jan 31 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Nobody knows | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| tazbu | 5000 | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| tazbu | i think | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | They have dubsidiaries | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | They also have temps and contractors | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Analysts say they'll lay off many more soon. | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| tazbu | and google is on the same road | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe 20,000 if you include peripherals at Microsoft | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| trmanco | http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2009/01... | Jan 31 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Citrix being a good example.. axed 10% 2 days ago.. | Jan 31 13:45 |
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| tazbu | people should start their own starups | Jan 31 13:45 |
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| tazbu | i know its hard | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Understatement | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| tazbu | but they have the right stuff | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | People who do contracts have no demand to address. | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | tazbu: where are you? | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | I ask because it makes a difference depending on geog | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| tazbu | country | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| tazbu | Romania | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | The US is worst hit | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Ah... | Jan 31 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Europe might suffer less. | Jan 31 13:47 |
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| tazbu | yes you can read it all over the news | Jan 31 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | Romania has connections to the American s/w industry though | Jan 31 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | I recall reading about it last year | Jan 31 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | Contrast to say.. Finland | Jan 31 13:47 |
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| tazbu | well here in Romania we have lay off | Jan 31 13:47 |
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| tazbu | from big companies | Jan 31 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | Multinationals | Jan 31 13:48 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 13:48 |
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| tazbu | and also local | Jan 31 13:48 |
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| tazbu | from tech to entertainment | Jan 31 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | That's the cascading effect | Jan 31 13:48 |
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| tazbu | it all over the place | Jan 31 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | Even spots are affected | Jan 31 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | No wages -> no tickets -> no sponsorships etc. | Jan 31 13:49 |
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| tazbu | yep | Jan 31 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine says his parents see more business in the rail station | Jan 31 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | People drive less and consume less gas.. not to mention holding off the purchase of new automobiles. | Jan 31 13:49 |
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| tazbu | yes last month my parents bought a Renault | Jan 31 13:50 |
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| tazbu | and the price dropped | Jan 31 13:50 |
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| tazbu | from 11000$ | Jan 31 13:50 |
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| tazbu | to 6000$ | Jan 31 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | First hand? | Jan 31 13:51 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | The agencies must get rid of stock | Jan 31 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | Production is an issue | Jan 31 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | The automobile industry in the US employs no less than 3 million people | Jan 31 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | Two sources told me that | Jan 31 13:51 |
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| tazbu | yes we have a Romanian car brand called Dacia | Jan 31 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | Now they want bailouts, which in essence means that the industry gets nationalised and maintained by every individual. | Jan 31 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | I hardly use my licence, which is a shame. | Jan 31 13:52 |
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| tazbu | i hope that this people can come together | Jan 31 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | Probably will. | Jan 31 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | See precedence. | Jan 31 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_depression | Jan 31 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | Hopefully the catharsis of this one arrives after no war. | Jan 31 13:54 |
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| tazbu | i heard off bar camp for lay offs | Jan 31 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | The devastation of Europe had the US emerge as the mightiest country in the world, which has engaged in armament since | Jan 31 13:54 |
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| tazbu | that could be intresting | Jan 31 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | I heard of that too | Jan 31 13:54 |
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| tazbu | so what do you think | Jan 31 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | 'Sympathy' camps | Jan 31 13:55 |
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| tazbu | can it work | Jan 31 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | What would work? | Jan 31 13:55 |
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| tazbu | people to star their own start ups | Jan 31 13:55 |
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| tazbu | and use foss as their base | Jan 31 13:56 |
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| tazbu | for new products | Jan 31 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | Possible. | Jan 31 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | One issue is that non-Free software is dumped | Jan 31 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | There are giveaways with strongs | Jan 31 13:56 |
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| tazbu | we would all have to win from right | Jan 31 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | *strings | Jan 31 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | Who would pay? | Jan 31 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | Here's the thing | Jan 31 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Many occupations involve production that stems from creativity | Jan 31 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Such is the nature of FOSS | Jan 31 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | People must express themselves as part of nature's force | Jan 31 13:57 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | So there is the likelihood that people will pool their time to create a more communal project | Jan 31 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Like the GNU system.. | Jan 31 13:57 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | It is also a form of rebellion against those whom they were betrayed by. | Jan 31 13:58 |
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| tazbu | one that's is hopefully sustainable | Jan 31 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | But anyway, that's rather theoretical. There aren't many situations to serve as a learning experience. | Jan 31 13:58 |
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| tazbu | if you think about foss | Jan 31 13:58 |
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| tazbu | it takes the power from the few | Jan 31 13:59 |
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| tazbu | and gives it to the many | Jan 31 13:59 |
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| tazbu | right | Jan 31 13:59 |
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| tazbu | it think this is what we need here | Jan 31 13:59 |
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| tazbu | :D | Jan 31 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | That breaks some suppositions | Jan 31 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | About an economy of scales | Jan 31 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | People are supposed to be 'wage slaves' to few proprietors. | Jan 31 14:00 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | This was challenged many years ago and it's easy with digitalisation | Jan 31 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's inevitable. Unless it's banned :-) | Jan 31 14:01 |
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| tazbu | yes we need to work more like a hive | Jan 31 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | Here's the thing | Jan 31 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | Have a look at some political history | Jan 31 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | You'll find that by deliberate design people are kept divided | Jan 31 14:02 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | Whether it was crumbling unions though daemonisation | Jan 31 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | RMS called it "helpless and divided" | Jan 31 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | People in other fields use similar phrases | Jan 31 14:03 |
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| tazbu | the dude is right | Jan 31 14:03 |
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| tazbu | also | Jan 31 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | By emphasising consumerism and consumption on info from TV people are kept apart. | Jan 31 14:03 |
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| tazbu | patents and copyrights | Jan 31 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | This means that rise by separate individuals for change is difficult | Jan 31 14:03 |
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| tazbu | also a big issue | Jan 31 14:03 |
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| tazbu | patents and copyrights | Jan 31 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | In the past, the portrayal of unions was that they are those "evil people" trying to ruin the calm of society | Jan 31 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | [rather than those ehlping it] | Jan 31 14:04 |
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| tazbu | god thank we have now the internet | Jan 31 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | Same type of tactics are sometimes use to mock FOSS people ("communists", "zealots" etc). They actually try to help. | Jan 31 14:04 |
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| tazbu | not so reliable | Jan 31 14:04 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | I head this funny analogy | Jan 31 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | The union revolves around the workplace | Jan 31 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | I.e. private dictatorships | Jan 31 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | So the Corporation is glorifies by means that include Hollywood | Jan 31 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | The manager is supposedly caring so much about the employees welfare. Brainwash can reinforce this belief | Jan 31 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | But the guy who manages the company and that who sweeps the flood rarely share the same views, being just a convenience illusion | Jan 31 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | So organising for change eludes the mind of the ordinary worker that's detached from peers and attacked to machines | Jan 31 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | *attached | Jan 31 14:07 |
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| tazbu | :) | Jan 31 14:07 |
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| tazbu | thank god i found the foss community | Jan 31 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Do you know Beranger? | Jan 31 14:07 |
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| tazbu | ino | Jan 31 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | (Radu) | Jan 31 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | Never mind then. | Jan 31 14:08 |
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| tazbu | ok | Jan 31 14:08 |
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| tazbu | so think foss can make something in this crysis | Jan 31 14:08 |
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| tazbu | ? | Jan 31 14:08 |
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| tazbu | can we help the larger audience | Jan 31 14:09 |
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| tazbu | i mean look a web 2.0 | Jan 31 14:09 |
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| tazbu | its mostly based on open source right and fs | Jan 31 14:09 |
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| tazbu | but they still fire their people | Jan 31 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | You need to attract people | Jan 31 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | Recruit minds | Jan 31 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | No software patents, no selfish ones. | Jan 31 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | Many of them are derailed from a path of participation | Jan 31 14:10 |
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| tazbu | yes its just stupid | Jan 31 14:10 |
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| tazbu | patents | Jan 31 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | Much like people are led to believe that "if it's free, it must be terrible" | Jan 31 14:11 |
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| tazbu | pitagora is free | Jan 31 14:11 |
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| tazbu | thank god | Jan 31 14:11 |
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| tazbu | :) | Jan 31 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | These things have purpose | Jan 31 14:11 |
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| tazbu | yep | Jan 31 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | It is education along the lines of "you must make gains that are material" | Jan 31 14:11 |
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| tazbu | it like pateting math | Jan 31 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | If you lose people's attention (like, you know, if they don't watch the latest Disney fantasy), then you can lose control of them | Jan 31 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Remember: by industry's standards, if you have an idea, then you must own it | Jan 31 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Don't share, ever. own. | Jan 31 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Build barriers | Jan 31 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Divide | Jan 31 14:12 |
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| tazbu | iwell i work inthe media | Jan 31 14:12 |
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| tazbu | and use creative commons | Jan 31 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | That serves the purpose of leaving people confused and therefore reliant on wage slavery and such. | Jan 31 14:13 |
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| tazbu | for most of my stuff | Jan 31 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | That's an evolutionary step | Jan 31 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | They have no choice | Jan 31 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | That's how they appeal to larger audience | Jan 31 14:13 |
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| tazbu | well the next tep is clear | Jan 31 14:13 |
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| tazbu | elibartion | Jan 31 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | In an age of YouTUbe, there are no longer just 5 TV channels with 'privileged' air time. | Jan 31 14:14 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:14 |
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| tazbu | and there some good stuff on yt | Jan 31 14:14 |
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| tazbu | if you know to find it | Jan 31 14:14 |
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| tazbu | right | Jan 31 14:14 |
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| tazbu | :) | Jan 31 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 31 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | Mashups work well. | Jan 31 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | Universal et al fight YT | Jan 31 14:15 |
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| tazbu | :) | Jan 31 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | Do you know Neuros? | Jan 31 14:15 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | It's a Linux-based PVR and it streams YouTube now. | Jan 31 14:16 |
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| tazbu | the open source device | Jan 31 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | That's like an infinite library of media, no dependence on cable subs | Jan 31 14:16 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | Give them exposure and money (by buying one if need is served) | Jan 31 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | They are the Asterisk of PVRs | Jan 31 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | Or the Apache of Web servers | Jan 31 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | *oops. I mean of PVRs | Jan 31 14:17 |
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| tazbu | see its wierd | Jan 31 14:17 |
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| tazbu | the web work on apache | Jan 31 14:17 |
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| tazbu | but people have not yet tried and open society | Jan 31 14:18 |
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| tazbu | the most important stuff are hidden from use | Jan 31 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | Apache is companies | Jan 31 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | But they share resourced | Jan 31 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | *ces | Jan 31 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Linux (kernel) | Jan 31 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | Wikipedia.. | Jan 31 14:19 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:19 |
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| tazbu | we have an goldmine here | Jan 31 14:20 |
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| tazbu | still unexplored | Jan 31 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | But Wikipedia should not be built by companies | Jan 31 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | Professors and such people with expertise and interest build it | Jan 31 14:20 |
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| tazbu | well yes and no | Jan 31 14:20 |
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| tazbu | companies are made by people | Jan 31 14:20 |
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| tazbu | and are group of people | Jan 31 14:21 |
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| tazbu | people with expertise and interest | Jan 31 14:21 |
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| tazbu | but the problem is just one | Jan 31 14:21 |
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| tazbu | they work separated | Jan 31 14:22 |
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| tazbu | instead of a anarchy | Jan 31 14:22 |
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| tazbu | we foss is not better | Jan 31 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | How so? | Jan 31 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | yes, companies are people | Jan 31 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | But they operate upon orders | Jan 31 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's all a pyramid of delegations. | Jan 31 14:23 |
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| tazbu | back | Jan 31 14:27 |
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| tazbu | so where were we | Jan 31 14:27 |
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| tazbu | i have problems with electricity company | Jan 31 14:28 |
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| tazbu | :P | Jan 31 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | That might become an issue here too some day | Jan 31 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | Water also.. | Jan 31 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | Although some countries don't have an issue of water capacity. | Jan 31 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | Nuclear energy will become popular | Jan 31 14:29 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:29 |
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| tazbu | for blowing up things | Jan 31 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it can also be a partial solution to pollution, at the expense of, wel... waste | Jan 31 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | Chernobyl... | Jan 31 14:29 |
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| tazbu | we need wind power | Jan 31 14:30 |
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| tazbu | solar power | Jan 31 14:30 |
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| *zer0c00l has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Jan 31 14:30 |
| tazbu | i have hopes for obama | Jan 31 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | We use that | Jan 31 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | Plants use the solar 'power' | Jan 31 14:30 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | Then they dissolve, make organic material (oil) | Jan 31 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | But humans are too lazy to use the sun | Jan 31 14:30 |
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| tazbu | no | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| tazbu | its intrest | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | Obama -- hope? | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| tazbu | big companies are lazy | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | Can he toss out all the cronies? | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| tazbu | i think he is a smart guy | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | It doesn't take smarts | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | Nor power | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | Many smart guys can't defeat a corrupt system | Jan 31 14:31 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | The mafia doesn't fear someone's wisdom. It just blows threat up | Jan 31 14:32 |
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| tazbu | again we need towork togther | Jan 31 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | Political bloggers can help | Jan 31 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | They are not controlled by FDR (??) | Jan 31 14:32 |
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| tazbu | the systems like it or not is not working | Jan 31 14:32 |
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| tazbu | and people are staring to see this | Jan 31 14:33 |
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| tazbu | so it becomes first priority | Jan 31 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Not FDR, never mind | Jan 31 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they reach out for answers now | Jan 31 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | But this can lead to radicalism or war | Jan 31 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Militias and extreme right | Jan 31 14:34 |
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| tazbu | what we need is not abetter way | Jan 31 14:34 |
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| tazbu | but a different way | Jan 31 14:34 |
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| tazbu | and we can take foss as a model | Jan 31 14:34 |
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| tazbu | lets not forget that people are interested in foss | Jan 31 14:35 |
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| tazbu | even big companies | Jan 31 14:35 |
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| tazbu | like novell | Jan 31 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | FOSS as in participation? | Jan 31 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | Here's another theory | Jan 31 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | One that's to do with aspirations of croporations leaning to self destructions because goals have no limits imposed. | Jan 31 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | No account is taken for when it comes to factors like environment or human stress (political too) | Jan 31 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | This leads to illusions as way of lige | Jan 31 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | *life | Jan 31 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | I.e. install values that better align with a workforce-oriented society | Jan 31 14:37 |
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| tazbu | well we have corporations are a subgroup of us | Jan 31 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | Not exactly | Jan 31 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | I would phrase it like that anyway | Jan 31 14:37 |
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| tazbu | well we have corporations theya subgroup of us | Jan 31 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | The country lends power to centres of power and money to employ and manage the population | Jan 31 14:38 |
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| tazbu | well corporations fail to see just one things | Jan 31 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | In more extreme cases (like the US) the government becomes merely a shadow of those who carry out most things.. GM, Wal-Mart and so on.. | Jan 31 14:38 |
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| tazbu | yes i agree | Jan 31 14:38 |
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| tazbu | laws are not laws | Jan 31 14:38 |
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| tazbu | because they are breakdown | Jan 31 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | The laws are for 'the people' | Jan 31 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | Not for entities that are collectives, e.g. corporations/government | Jan 31 14:39 |
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| tazbu | yes and even they break theem | Jan 31 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's rare to see corporations reprimanded (by whom??) or jailed | Jan 31 14:40 |
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| tazbu | but they go faster to jail | Jan 31 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | So they are private tyrannies | Jan 31 14:40 |
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| tazbu | no | Jan 31 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Tough love... love for the elites, tough for everyone else... | Jan 31 14:40 |
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| tazbu | they just fail to see that what hurts you it hurts me | Jan 31 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | I don't follow | Jan 31 14:41 |
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| tazbu | they act on belief | Jan 31 14:41 |
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| tazbu | and the belief is simple | Jan 31 14:41 |
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| tazbu | the more i take the more ihave | Jan 31 14:41 |
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| tazbu | even people act on that belief | Jan 31 14:42 |
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| tazbu | but what if you would have a new belief | Jan 31 14:42 |
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| tazbu | that the more i give the more ihave | Jan 31 14:42 |
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| tazbu | isnt foss about this | Jan 31 14:42 |
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| tazbu | that is why we act this way | Jan 31 14:43 |
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| tazbu | that why we give | Jan 31 14:43 |
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| tazbu | but we dont have a good foundation | Jan 31 14:43 |
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| tazbu | we believe that money dont grow on trees | Jan 31 14:43 |
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| tazbu | we they actually do grow on trees | Jan 31 14:44 |
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| tazbu | they actually do grow on trees | Jan 31 14:44 |
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| tazbu | :) | Jan 31 14:44 |
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| tazbu | right | Jan 31 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 31 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | I heard this before | Jan 31 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | People act based ion faith | Jan 31 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | Most do | Jan 31 14:44 |
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| tazbu | all of them do | Jan 31 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | Faith often comes before anything | Jan 31 14:45 |
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| tazbu | even you and i | Jan 31 14:45 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | Windows/Microsoft are one example in the case of software. Notions like "Americanism" are others | Jan 31 14:45 |
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| tazbu | and lookat rms | Jan 31 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | With symbols, hymns and blind faith for decisions made by secret services. | Jan 31 14:45 |
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| tazbu | we they microsoft is divided | Jan 31 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | The assumption that FOSS needs money to grow is partly flawed | Jan 31 14:46 |
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| tazbu | ms is about us and them | Jan 31 14:46 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | It assumed that production comes only from gain in terms of material things. | Jan 31 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | This isn't woodwork | Jan 31 14:46 |
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| tazbu | yes they act like most companies do | Jan 31 14:47 |
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| tazbu | but today there are 2 ms | Jan 31 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | I've just received mail from a mate | Jan 31 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | "No one still working at Novell can be worth much anyway. I'm already doing what I can to prevent use of Novell, not that I've found more than a single instance around here in the last years." | Jan 31 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | "I see a real danger from losing Yahoo, but in some ways it's already gone and it is time to find a way to get those developers back into production." | Jan 31 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | "That's all peripheral anyway. The heart of the problem is found in Redmond and that needs to be addressed. From the outside, Redmond looks like it works like organized crime. So the solutions for dealing with other forms of organized crime are long established. RICO comes to mind." | Jan 31 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | needless to say, other companies do similar things | Jan 31 14:49 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 14:49 |
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| tazbu | we should do something about this | Jan 31 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | The government is in the pockets of companies bigger than MS | Jan 31 14:49 |
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| tazbu | well MS is not all about money | Jan 31 14:50 |
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| tazbu | lets not forget that there products are made by geeks | Jan 31 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Bought? | Jan 31 14:50 |
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| tazbu | the reason they stay with mirosoft is because | Jan 31 14:51 |
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| tazbu | they think like most people do | Jan 31 14:51 |
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| tazbu | that money dosent grow on trees | Jan 31 14:51 |
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| MinceR | you call those hacks geeks? | Jan 31 14:52 |
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| MinceR | sure, in microsoft's world money doesn't grow on trees, it's acquired via fraud | Jan 31 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | They take kids from college | Jan 31 14:52 |
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| MinceR | bribing governments to make them purchase vast quantities of licenses | Jan 31 14:52 |
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| tazbu | well money are not the problem | Jan 31 14:53 |
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| MinceR | making sure kids are only taught to use their products | Jan 31 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | Licences that are valid only as long as _all_ machines are with MSware | Jan 31 14:53 |
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| MinceR | selling products that don't exist yet | Jan 31 14:53 |
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| MinceR | stealing the work of others and selling it to unsuspecting fools | Jan 31 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft invested the word processor :-) | Jan 31 14:53 |
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| tazbu | well its not like stealing | Jan 31 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | OOo must therefore be a ripoff of Microosft :-p | Jan 31 14:53 |
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| tazbu | stealing is one of our illusions | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| MinceR | yes, stealing is an illusion and so is property | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| MinceR | and so is money, then | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | But they take other people's ideas and claim credit for them | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| tazbu | we belive that we own something | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | That's moral corruption, a lie | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| tazbu | no | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| MinceR | and i'm sure you won't mind me taking your car, then | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| tazbu | if you think about it | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | To claim "innovation" for stuff they deserve no attrib | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| MinceR | you've surely overcome your illusions already | Jan 31 14:54 |
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| tazbu | think about it | Jan 31 14:55 |
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| MinceR | follow your own advic | Jan 31 14:55 |
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| MinceR | e | Jan 31 14:55 |
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| tazbu | did god put patent on color red | Jan 31 14:55 |
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| MinceR | think about what follows from what you've said | Jan 31 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | Cololur red is nature | Jan 31 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | Specrum.. | Jan 31 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | *trum | Jan 31 14:56 |
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| tazbu | and so is the computer screen | Jan 31 14:56 |
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| tazbu | its all part of nature | Jan 31 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | Different creatures interpret those 'colours' differently. | Jan 31 14:56 |
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| tazbu | yesi know | Jan 31 14:56 |
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| tazbu | but its all part of nature | Jan 31 14:56 |
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| tazbu | so we dont own nothing | Jan 31 14:56 |
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| tazbu | nothing at all | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Sad, eh? | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | "own nothing" = can suppress nobody | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| tazbu | its just a illusion | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Some people 'own' people | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | That's ownership too | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| tazbu | so no one is stealing nothing | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | It assumes also that people 'belong' to a country | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| tazbu | a country is a idea | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | But a useful one sometimes | Jan 31 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | If you want to police societies | Jan 31 14:58 |
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| tazbu | there are no countries | Jan 31 14:58 |
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| schestowitz | Bushmen don't have punishment though | Jan 31 14:58 |
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| schestowitz | They get along without hurting their kids | Jan 31 14:58 |
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| tazbu | the sad part is that we hurt our kids | Jan 31 14:58 |
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| schestowitz | In the most primitive form, man thrive in company (as in friends) and hunting | Jan 31 14:58 |
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| tazbu | we give them our false history | Jan 31 14:58 |
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| MinceR | tazbu: if nobody owns anything, what about money? | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | In modern society, people are attached to societal machinery | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| MinceR | do you need money? | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| tazbu | they are construct | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| MinceR | does money even exist? | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| tazbu | no | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| tazbu | what is money | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| tazbu | i ask you | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| MinceR | so how do you feed yourself? | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| tazbu | food | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| MinceR | how do you get food? | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| tazbu | not paper | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| MinceR | do you grow your food? | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| tazbu | form plants | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| MinceR | do you take it from others? | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| MinceR | do they get anything in exchange? | Jan 31 14:59 |
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| tazbu | yes my air | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | From 'Mother'... nature | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| tazbu | right | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | But some people own nature too | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | 'Own' | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| tazbu | no | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | That too is an ethical dilemma | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| tazbu | its a illusion | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | I'm lacking tone in text | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| tazbu | the only thing we own | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| tazbu | is our freedom | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | Somwething along those lines. | Jan 31 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | There's the old discussion about ownership of kids too | Jan 31 15:01 |
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| tazbu | and we can restrict our freedom | Jan 31 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | Some insist they are theirs | Jan 31 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | Some say they become 'ownership' of the society that surrounds them | Jan 31 15:01 |
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| MinceR | tazbu: and do those plants grow wild or does someone take care of them? | Jan 31 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | tazbu: we don't restrict it really, but other people try to | Jan 31 15:01 |
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| tazbu | well how did dinosaurs lived | Jan 31 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | It's a characteristic of man to want to make another man do something s/he does not want. | Jan 31 15:02 |
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| MinceR | are you a dinosaur? | Jan 31 15:02 |
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| tazbu | think about | Jan 31 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine who's a biology professors agrees on this assumption and that's why it's a lost cause | Jan 31 15:02 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: so humans are evil by nature? | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| tazbu | no | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | But density of human beings becomes more of an issue because the closer we get, the more binding these relationships become | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Like sharing a forest vs sharing a tree | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| tazbu | the contrary | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Or sharing a land (American Indians) versus a sleazy apartment | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| MinceR | tazbu: so if you don't value material goods, do you value work? do you value your own work and your own time? | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| tazbu | well what is work | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: no, Ubuntu :-) | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| tazbu | let difine it | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | People want to help their kind | Jan 31 15:03 |
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| tazbu | work+ | Jan 31 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | They have to be mentally morbid to steal from a child for example | Jan 31 15:04 |
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| tazbu | no not really | Jan 31 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Or to kill animals unless they are hungry | Jan 31 15:04 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: tazbu argues there is no such thing as stealing | Jan 31 15:04 |
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| tazbu | a whell | Jan 31 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Depends on what | Jan 31 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Not ideas | Jan 31 15:04 |
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| tazbu | is that something original | Jan 31 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | So you must define property | Jan 31 15:05 |
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| tazbu | ownership property patents | Jan 31 15:05 |
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| tazbu | are all made up by us | Jan 31 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | Imagine a neathderal going around with a wooden bat demanding that other caveman pay him in fgood for using "method of killing a deer" | Jan 31 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | *cavemen | Jan 31 15:06 |
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| tazbu | well | Jan 31 15:06 |
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| tazbu | cavemans dint made money | Jan 31 15:06 |
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| tazbu | they cut trees just for a home | Jan 31 15:07 |
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| tazbu | well there a more methods to go from point a to b | Jan 31 15:08 |
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| tazbu | right | Jan 31 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | So their 'employer' was nature | Jan 31 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | Subsidising source anyway | Jan 31 15:08 |
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| Tallken | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&... | Jan 31 15:09 |
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| Tallken | :p | Jan 31 15:09 |
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| tazbu | we really need to jumpstart new ideas | Jan 31 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2cof... | Jan 31 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | "Google Kills Bush’s Miserable Failure Search & Other Google Bombs After just over two years, Google has finally defused the Google Bomb that has returned US President George W. Bush at the top of its results in a search." | Jan 31 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | Why?????/ | Jan 31 15:10 |
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| Tallken | you saw google tagging every site as hamrful site on my link? :p | Jan 31 15:10 |
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| tazbu | yep | Jan 31 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: I didn't see it | Jan 31 15:10 |
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| Tallken | search for anything | Jan 31 15:11 |
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| Tallken | and you'll see :D | Jan 31 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | It does't do it for me | Jan 31 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's your DC. | Jan 31 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | Datacentre issue | Jan 31 15:12 |
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| Tallken | it's fixed apparently | Jan 31 15:12 |
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| Tallken | http://i43.tinypic.com/1e89wp.jpg | Jan 31 15:12 |
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| Tallken | but isn't happening anymore | Jan 31 15:12 |
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| MinceR | :) | Jan 31 15:13 |
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| tazbu | :) | Jan 31 15:14 |
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| tazbu | google is playing with us | Jan 31 15:14 |
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| tazbu | :) | Jan 31 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | Google studies us: http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html | Jan 31 15:15 |
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| tazbu | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/31/googl... | Jan 31 15:15 |
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| tazbu | :) | Jan 31 15:15 |
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| tazbu | pagerank is a good tech | Jan 31 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Google is malware | Jan 31 15:16 |
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| tazbu | i would say that | Jan 31 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | It actually helps me a lot... more than Wikipedia | Jan 31 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | It's good at matching entities, obviously, using a massive dataset | Jan 31 15:17 |
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| tazbu | the guys that work there are awesome | Jan 31 15:17 |
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| tazbu | plus google as that 20% | Jan 31 15:17 |
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| tazbu | work your own project | Jan 31 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like we might make Digg's front page today | Jan 31 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | I'll set up Coral cashe | Jan 31 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | cache | Jan 31 15:18 |
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| tazbu | yep | Jan 31 15:19 |
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| tazbu | digg has done also lay offs | Jan 31 15:19 |
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| tazbu | right | Jan 31 15:20 |
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| tazbu | 20% of their employers | Jan 31 15:20 |
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| tazbu | i think | Jan 31 15:20 |
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| tazbu | so no tech companie is doing well | Jan 31 15:23 |
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| tazbu | canonical i think is staring to get sustainable | Jan 31 15:23 |
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| tazbu | and this an awesome company | Jan 31 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 31 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | They did damage control too | Jan 31 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Something like "we're hiring some marketing people (they nabbed a Yahoo! guy)" | Jan 31 15:24 |
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| tazbu | they are open sourcing also launchpad | Jan 31 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I got cache now, just in case | Jan 31 15:25 |
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| tazbu | launchpad i think its the only close project they had | Jan 31 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | I'll quick do another one on Intel | Jan 31 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | Launchpad is going GPLv3 | Jan 31 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | AGPLv3 | Jan 31 15:26 |
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| tazbu | yep | Jan 31 15:26 |
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| tazbu | and its not bad | Jan 31 15:26 |
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| tazbu | for a group of 200+ people | Jan 31 15:26 |
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| tazbu | i wish to see more foss companies | Jan 31 15:27 |
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| tazbu | i am interested in funding one | Jan 31 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | They integrate more than they develop, I think | Jan 31 15:27 |
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| tazbu | byes but they do a good job | Jan 31 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | NeanderthalSoft :-) | Jan 31 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Making software for humble homo sapients | Jan 31 15:28 |
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| tazbu | nice name | Jan 31 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 31 15:28 |
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| tazbu | :) | Jan 31 15:28 |
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| tazbu | but i what about a open source media corporation | Jan 31 15:29 |
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| tazbu | now that's huge | Jan 31 15:29 |
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| tazbu | dont you think | Jan 31 15:30 |
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| tazbu | ? | Jan 31 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | Just one? | Jan 31 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | There need to be many | Jan 31 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | With overlap | Jan 31 15:30 |
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| tazbu | why not 2000 | Jan 31 15:30 |
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| tazbu | now thats huge | Jan 31 15:30 |
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| tazbu | imagine a world like that | Jan 31 15:31 |
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| tazbu | no copyrights | Jan 31 15:31 |
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| tazbu | no patents | Jan 31 15:31 |
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| tazbu | no ownership | Jan 31 15:31 |
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| tazbu | plus how did we get the idea of ownership | Jan 31 15:32 |
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| tazbu | its stupid | Jan 31 15:32 |
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| tazbu | it like saying i own the air i breath | Jan 31 15:32 |
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| tazbu | but the air belong to everyone | Jan 31 15:32 |
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| tazbu | right guys | Jan 31 15:33 |
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| MinceR | it's like saying i own the fruits of my own labor | Jan 31 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | Air can't be owned yet | Jan 31 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | But some people sell water for premium price | Jan 31 15:34 |
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| MinceR | and it's like saying i can afford to have a place where my privacy is respected | Jan 31 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | They also use imagery on adverts to make water seem like any less of a commodity. | Jan 31 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | Y'know, like a girl bathing under a waterfall or something, trying to sell you mineral water for the price of a meal for an entire family in some countries. | Jan 31 15:35 |
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| tazbu | privacy in my opnion is another word for shame | Jan 31 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | No | Jan 31 15:36 |
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| tazbu | yes to sell water | Jan 31 15:36 |
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| tazbu | it stupid | Jan 31 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's the ability of one to keep the brain in the skull. | Jan 31 15:36 |
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| MinceR | it isn't stupid as long as that water is of controlled quality | Jan 31 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | Transparency at a PROFESSINAL level is a separate thing | Jan 31 15:36 |
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| MinceR | for example, no chlorine for me :> | Jan 31 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | I'm all for people doing their work openly | Jan 31 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | But privacy invasion goes much further | Jan 31 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | I don't care what Obama tells his kids | Jan 31 15:37 |
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| tazbu | well what is invasion | Jan 31 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | I do care if he's plotting something evil that affects a country that's most dangerous in the world | Jan 31 15:37 |
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| tazbu | i think obama is a good guy | Jan 31 15:37 |
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| tazbu | i sees the truth | Jan 31 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: a lot of water is polluted because of man, | Jan 31 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | IOW... | Jan 31 15:38 |
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| tazbu | yes | Jan 31 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | Let's mudy the water so that we can sell medicine | Jan 31 15:38 |
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| MinceR | and a lot of water tastes different because of the minerals it's stored in | Jan 31 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | I think that in Colombia they have such water battles | Jan 31 15:38 |
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| tazbu | see we destroy ourself with our beliefs | Jan 31 15:38 |
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| MinceR | i've tried the drinking water in various places and they tend to taste different | Jan 31 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | I don't follow this closely, but RMS sure does | Jan 31 15:38 |
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| MinceR | chlorine is added to water to disinfect it (it's probably the cheapest way they could find) | Jan 31 15:39 |
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| MinceR | but i don't like the smell of chlorine in my drinking water | Jan 31 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: premium though is another matter | Jan 31 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | Drinking water vs other 'kinds' of water | Jan 31 15:39 |
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| twitter | private water - what Coke wants to do to your public water supply. | Jan 31 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Just published: http://boycottnovell.com/... | Jan 31 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | "I can't help but wonder how other companies have reacted to these internal emails being made public. The Comes v. MS exhibits have been circulating for a couple of years now. Surely executives of Intel and HP and Dell, etc., have read them. " | Jan 31 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | "How how many concessions has MS had to make, and how much money has it cost MS behind the scenes to placate its angry partners? These emails HAD to have hurt MS's bargaining position when it came to making deals. Don't you think? | Jan 31 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | "I also wonder how many partners considered suing MS over these internal revelations and were paid off instead...hush money can be more profitable than a law suit. " | Jan 31 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | "Having these exhibits made public has to have caused a serious shift in Microsoft's universe. Blanketing the forums with 'turfer-trolls can't be cheap either. They seem to be everywhere these days. Creepy. Maybe they are just MS employees that are trying to keep their jobs??" | Jan 31 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Let's keep fingers crossed for a Digg FP.. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_on_Int... | Jan 31 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, Coke was involved in this, IIRC. I read about this in Stallman's writings, IIRC. | Jan 31 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | Front page! | Jan 31 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Site dead already? | Jan 31 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | It's still alive | Jan 31 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | Server Load 2.79 (4 cpus) | Jan 31 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | They set up a mirror already: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microso... | Jan 31 15:55 |
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| twitter | cool | Jan 31 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Jan 31 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Ache stabling now | Jan 31 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Just don't know on BN main page :-) | Jan 31 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | I don't mind mirrors | Jan 31 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | I just want people to read the darn message | Jan 31 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | And for Microsoft to face what it did. | Jan 31 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | I've left a comment there: "Thank you, DeathRay2K. Feel free to mirror, duplicate in full, no attribution needed. | Jan 31 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | It's important to just get the message across and pressure those who were injured to respond. | Jan 31 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | These exhibits were made public no earlier than 2006/7 and Microsoft paid a lot of money (estimated at hundreds of millions) to have this stuff buried. They settled in Iowa within *weeks*... terms undisclosed of course." | Jan 31 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | httpd (1.3.41 (Unix)) failed | Jan 31 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | Take The Moblin Alpha For A Spin < http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archi... > | Jan 31 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Server Load 3.24 (4 cpus)" | Jan 31 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | The cache is proving very effective then. | Jan 31 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Memory Used 47.9 % | Jan 31 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Swap Used 0.19 % | Jan 31 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's layoffs included the guy with the Blue Monster tattoo < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Former_Microsof... > | Jan 31 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_l... | Jan 31 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Front page at Linux Today an hour ago... just when the site became unresponsive. | Jan 31 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | "Almost all of the CAD tools that Intel uses run exclusively on Linux. OMG!" | Jan 31 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | The caching isn't working too well if there are cross-refs. We made linuxtoday's FP at the same time and we never endure these things well. I'll improve my caching routine... like caching also the pages cited in the 'Dugg' post | Jan 31 16:52 |
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| trmanco | what does the red article headers mean in /.? | Jan 31 16:55 |
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| trmanco | http://news.slashdot.org/article... | Jan 31 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Example....? | Jan 31 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Jan 31 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Beat me to it | Jan 31 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Speaking of red, I'll highlight links posts inr ed | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | A reader suggested it this morning. | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| MinceR | it isn't red for me | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| trmanco | MinceR, it was | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| MinceR | i've never seen red article headers on /. | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| trmanco | on the frontpage | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| trmanco | dang | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Hi, Roy, | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | I'd like to suggest at least slightly different styles for the different | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | types of posts/articles. i.e. both the quote of the day pages and | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | summaries linking to quote of the day should look a little different | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | than the main part of the article. | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | The pages get quite long and having a variation in the visual theme will | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | help rapid scanning to get to the relevant parts of the pages." | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| trmanco | I should have taken a screenshot | Jan 31 16:57 |
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| MinceR | though i'm using the old-style main page | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | I said: "Should I change bg colour for posts with daily links?" | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | And on it goes... | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | "Something like that. There are several sections to the site, several | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | categories of information (your write-up, link summaries, quotes), | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | several sections within each page (the link summary or your write-up, | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | comments, other links)." | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | So I mage the changes.. | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | *made | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | How's that? | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/3... | Jan 31 16:58 |
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| *tazbu has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | Jan 31 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I can finally get the server to respond to /some/ visitors with a redirect to cache... but most are totally lost at the spike :-( | Jan 31 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | I see that MSDN, IDG and Slashdot.NET are advocating Microsoft vapourware again. | Jan 31 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | Here we have Leopard Snow... | Jan 31 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | We have Mandriva 2009... | Jan 31 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | We have... APACHE | Jan 31 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | But Slashdot is distracted by marketers of inexistent products that re in the pipeline. | Jan 31 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Blech. Microsoft's advice to the Obama administration < http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-microsofts-advice-... > | Jan 31 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft and Gates will suck up to his cabinet | Jan 31 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://digg.com/software/Google_flags... | Jan 31 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | "glynmoody: Interesting: if you search Google for "KDE" it flags up the KDE.org site with a "malware warning". Safe Browsing diagnostic page is down." < http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/1164542148 > | Jan 31 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | OK, the BN server is stable and can cope now. Should have a circulation of about 100,000. :-) Now I can leave the house. | Jan 31 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 31 17:37 |
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