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		<title>By: amd-linux</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/02/03/call-for-advice-and-help/comment-page-1/#comment-59306</link>
		<dc:creator>amd-linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mentioned that my blog ran quite well while on a IBM Thinkpad 600E (Ubuntu Dapper, Wordpress with WP cache plugin - with up 1500 unique visitors a day. That is much less than your 700k, but also check the specs of a Thinkpad 600E.... 

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&amp;lndocid=AGRN-446MWD

Not sooo bad for such a machine :-) 

So if your machine and setup would really scale well, 700k should be possible with 4 cores machine if my math is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mentioned that my blog ran quite well while on a IBM Thinkpad 600E (Ubuntu Dapper, WordPress with WP cache plugin &#8211; with up 1500 unique visitors a day. That is much less than your 700k, but also check the specs of a Thinkpad 600E&#8230;. </p>
<p><a href="http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&#038;lndocid=AGRN-446MWD" rel="nofollow">http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&#038;lndocid=AGRN-446MWD</a></p>
<p>Not sooo bad for such a machine <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>So if your machine and setup would really scale well, 700k should be possible with 4 cores machine if my math is right.</p>
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		<title>By: amd-linux</title>
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		<dc:creator>amd-linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy,

did you enable WP Cache? I guess so, but just to make sure....

http://www.gunnart.de/tipps-und-tricks/blog-tuning-teil2-wordpress-cache-nutzen/

This can reduce the DB load by 90%.

WP-Super-Cache also comes to mind: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-super-cache/

You maybe can also consider removing links to the archives and the categorie cloud. 

If somebody wants to artificially increase DB load, these links are an invitation.

Sorry if somebody came already up with these suggestions, had not time to check IRC logs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy,</p>
<p>did you enable WP Cache? I guess so, but just to make sure&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gunnart.de/tipps-und-tricks/blog-tuning-teil2-wordpress-cache-nutzen/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gunnart.de/tipps-und-tricks/blog-tuning-teil2-wordpress-cache-nutzen/</a></p>
<p>This can reduce the DB load by 90%.</p>
<p>WP-Super-Cache also comes to mind: <a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-super-cache/" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-super-cache/</a></p>
<p>You maybe can also consider removing links to the archives and the categorie cloud. </p>
<p>If somebody wants to artificially increase DB load, these links are an invitation.</p>
<p>Sorry if somebody came already up with these suggestions, had not time to check IRC logs.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t dealt with this sort of stuff since before &#039;slashdot effects&#039; even existed ...

Possible relatively low-tech solution - redirect the front-page - no doubt the busiest/heaviest to make - to a static page, generated every few minutes/less often if busy, or when something on it changes.  e.g. through the web-server rules + cron.

Not that this would address the problem expressed in the mail - too many http connections and too much bandwidth consumed.

Sounds like wordpress doesn&#039;t scale too well anyway with the no of queries going on.  An alternative cms? (hey according to the IRC logs yesterday, open sauce == no lock-in - right!! ;-P).

To be honest, in this day-and-age of slashdot-effects i&#039;m pretty surprised it doesn&#039;t do anything like this already.  But then again, it is written in a scripting language (I worked on a php project many years ago, and have an intense distrust of php apps in general, about as much as say, vb apps).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t dealt with this sort of stuff since before &#8216;slashdot effects&#8217; even existed &#8230;</p>
<p>Possible relatively low-tech solution &#8211; redirect the front-page &#8211; no doubt the busiest/heaviest to make &#8211; to a static page, generated every few minutes/less often if busy, or when something on it changes.  e.g. through the web-server rules + cron.</p>
<p>Not that this would address the problem expressed in the mail &#8211; too many http connections and too much bandwidth consumed.</p>
<p>Sounds like wordpress doesn&#8217;t scale too well anyway with the no of queries going on.  An alternative cms? (hey according to the IRC logs yesterday, open sauce == no lock-in &#8211; right!! ;-P).</p>
<p>To be honest, in this day-and-age of slashdot-effects i&#8217;m pretty surprised it doesn&#8217;t do anything like this already.  But then again, it is written in a scripting language (I worked on a php project many years ago, and have an intense distrust of php apps in general, about as much as say, vb apps).</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Shane.

Thanks for putting time into this. There was a discussion about it over the weekend (IRC) and minutes ago it came up again. Maybe the log below will help because it discusses options. Let me know what you think.

From the past ~30 minutes:


&lt;table class=&quot;irclog&quot;&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;other&quot; colspan=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:03:03 &lt;The_Mad_Hatter&gt;Try PRQ for hosting&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:03:05&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRQ&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:03:05&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:03&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:03:37&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;They host wikileaks among others.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:03:37&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:03&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:03:56&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;And are not likely to bow down to Microsoft.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:03:56&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:03&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:07:29&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: thanks.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:07:29&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:07&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:07:33&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I considered Squid&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:07:33&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:07&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:07:55&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I need to get it installed once someone who advises me gets back to me. He was here in IRC the other day&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:07:55&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:07&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:08:44&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;You advised this to me before, right?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:08:44&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:08&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:08:51&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I think it&#039;s you who did.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:08:51&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:08&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:09:19&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Um, not directly. I did mention that I knew a place that was good.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:09:19&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:09&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:10:20&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Pirate Bay is bad IP (Address) neighbourhood, no?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:10:20&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:10&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:10:40&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Not as far as I can tell.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:10:40&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:10&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:10:51&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Another person suggested ibiblio&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:10:51&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:10&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:11&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;They host Groklaw, which has a dedicated AMD box&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:11&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:11&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Ibibilio would be good to. You need something that can&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:11&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:16&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;A - Handle the load&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:16&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:31&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;B - Won&#039;t be pushed around&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:31&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:35&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt; what up fellas&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:35&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:39&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Hey, ushimitsudoki &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:39&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:45&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt;I got laid off today&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:45&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:50&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;We need advice: &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/03/call-for-advice-and-help/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/03/call-fo...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:50&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:50&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;PRQ and Ibiblio are both good that way.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:50&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:54&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Morning.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:54&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:11:57&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki: many people did.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:11:57&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:11&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:12:06&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;It&#039;s not you, it&#039;s the economy&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:12:06&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:12&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:12:13&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Ouch. Sorry to hear that.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:12:13&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:12&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:12:27&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Of course then you got guys like me who can&#039;t work.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:12:27&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:12&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:12:46&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: I&#039;ll share this with Shane.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:12:46&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:12&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:12:46&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt;Yup - 6 years and poof like that. Things getting rough - I was a gov&#039;t contractor, so you know shit&#039;s getting bad&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:12:46&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:12&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:13:04&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;It gets bad with an MOU is signed. :-D&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:13:04&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:13&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:13:24&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki: Japan, right?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:13:24&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:13&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:13:24&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt;Hah - making a site slashdot-proof is a good problem to have&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:13:24&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:13&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:13:31&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt;Yes, japan&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:13:31&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:13&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:13:36&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve been reading a fair bit on what happens there.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:13:36&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:13&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:13:44&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Economy-wise, not IT--wise.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:13:44&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:13&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:13:59&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki: we stood stable before&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:13:59&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:13&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:14:02&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I use Coral&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:14:02&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:14:03&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;But..&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:14:03&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:14:15&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;This means I need to be awake and aware when it happens&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:14:15&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:14:25&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Like an advance warning that some people E-mail us about.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:14:25&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:14:35&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Then I can redirect to Coral.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:14:35&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:14:48&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;advance warning of the slashdot effect? Sheesh.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:14:48&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:14:51&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The issue is, people move b/w pages, so they kind of &#039;escape&#039; the cashing sandbox&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:14:51&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:14:56&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;*caching&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:14:56&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:15:10&quot;&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;action&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;*MinceR has quit (Remote closed the connection)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:15:10&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:15&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:15:11&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: it&#039;s easier with Digg&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:15:11&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:15&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:15:17&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;You just put your domain and RSS&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:15:17&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:15&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:15:25&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Just curious - how well backed up are you?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:15:25&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:15&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:15:57&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt;schestowitz: I wish I could make a good recommendation - but not my area. I thought I saw a wordpress plugin once that went to a static site automatically when a certain number of hits was reached? That&#039;s one possibility&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:15:57&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:15&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:15:57&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Then you see if something advances close to FP and shield the pages up in the sense that you strip down the PHP file (trimming for DB load) or redirect&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:15:57&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:15&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:16:14&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: I back up regularly. So does Shane.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:16:14&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:16&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:16:40&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki: yes, WordPress though does what a server-level (not CMS-level) software achieves&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:16:40&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:16&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:16:46&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;What I meant was, is it possible to download the entire site?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:16:46&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:16&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:17:05&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Also, we use the &#039;LTS&#039; version of WordPress, so many plugins are likely not to be compatible&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:17:05&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:17&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:17:16&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: it used to be possible&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:17:16&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:17&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:17:20&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The host blocked it&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:17:20&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:17&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:17:26&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;They set limits&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:17:26&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:17&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:17:41&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/site-archives/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://boycottnovell.com/site-archives/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:17:41&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:17&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:18:04&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;IIRC, they took the site down for a few minutes, then put it back online with limits on queries.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:18:04&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:18:26&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Distributed backups. I have a copy of the Iowa MS stuff here. What I&#039;m saying is that if you get knocked down, say MS sues you for libel, if someone else has a copy, well....&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:18:26&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:18:42&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: they can&#039;t sue for libel&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:18:42&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:18:44&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;I think you got the wrong host &lt;G&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:18:44&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:18:46&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt;Whoa. Waugh left GNOME? Is there real hope for the GNOME project?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:18:46&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:18:51&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;And they won&#039;t&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:18:51&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:19:09&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;If anything, I could sue *Them* for libel if they chose this route&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:19:09&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:19&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:19:33&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Of course they can sue for libel, or whatever else they dream of. They might now win, but they can cause as much trouble as possible. If someone else has a copy, well...&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:19:33&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:19&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:19:33&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I once spoke to a lawyer who got Microsoft convicted for libel. I spoke to him in 2006&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:19:33&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:19&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:19:44&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki: GNOME is fine&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:19:44&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:19&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:20:01&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I think Waugh was a PR disaster to them. He caused friction /inside/ GNOME.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:20:01&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:20:11&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Murray for example went Rambo on him.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:20:11&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:20:11&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Hey, I&#039;m paranoid. I&#039;ve seen to much of this sort of stuff over the years.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:20:11&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:20:35&quot;&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;action&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;*r0ver (n=r0ver@200.127.24.112) has joined #boycottnovell&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:20:35&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:20:36&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt;schestowitz: I don&#039;t trust it right now. Seems too many people are too eager to get mono all over it. With Icaza and Waugh out of the picture, things might look up, though&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:20:36&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:20:39&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: there are already 4 mirrors of Comes that I know of.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:20:39&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:20:45&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;It was a popular torrent in 2007&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:20:45&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:20:48&quot;&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;action&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;*MinceR (n=mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) has joined #boycottnovell&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:20:48&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:20&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:21:06&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Which is how I got it. And how many mirrors of BoycottNovell?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:21:06&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:21:09&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki: Mono is a separate issue.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:21:09&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:21:17&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;GNOME != Mono&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:21:17&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:21:24&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;But GNOME is deployed with a lot of Mono&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:21:24&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:21:29&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Ubuntu contains Mono&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:21:29&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:21:36&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Ubuntu also contains GNOME&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:21:36&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:21:49&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;And I strip Mono out of Ubuntu.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:21:49&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:21:55&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: no mirror of BN&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:21:55&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:21:59&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt;schestowitz: In some ways, I agree. My point is a -lot- of people seem to be trying to change that into &quot;gnome == mono&quot; or at least &quot;all the cool bits of gnome == mono&quot;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:21:59&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:22:10&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;There&#039;s several threads in the Ubuntu forums covering the issue.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:22:10&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:22&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:22:29&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t think we would mind one. I could set up one at work (simple Apache+PHP+WP thing)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:22:29&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:22&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:22:37&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #818144&quot;&gt;ushimitsudoki&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #818144&quot;&gt;I felt like that was something Waugh was supportive of (the further integration of mono in gnome). And I -know- that&#039;s something icaza tried to push&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:22:37&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:22&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:22:39&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;I think there needs to be mirrors of BN, preferably in different countries.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:22:39&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:22&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:23:10&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: the DB is the core of it&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:23:10&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:23&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:23:16&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Or at least archive copies, that can be put up quickly if anything happens.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:23:16&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:23&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:23:25&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;So it could be floated around without the passwords in the DB.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:23:25&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:23&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:23:32&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Groklaw has a mirror too&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:23:32&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:23&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:24:04&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Our issue, however, is separate&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:24:04&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:24&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:24:04&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Of Comes yes. Of the writing you&#039;ve done, if the have it, I didn&#039;t see it.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:24:04&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:24&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:24:20&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Let&#039;s say the load on &quot;Effects&quot; is not the issue but regular loads also&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:24:20&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:24&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:24:29&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;About 90 DB queries/seconds&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:24:29&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:24&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:24:38&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I think Squid will improve this&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:24:38&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:24&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:24:59&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;It ought to serve identical pages without rerunning the whole thing each time&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:24:59&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:24&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:25:06&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t know, that sort of stuff is beyond me.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:25:06&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:25&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:25:24&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Since people don&#039;t hammer on the archives as much as on new posts, that ought to help a lot&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:25:24&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:25&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:25:38&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t know how Pound and Squid work because I never tried it&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:25:38&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:25&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:26:04&quot;&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;action&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;*r0ver (n=r0ver@200.127.24.112) has left #boycottnovell&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:26:04&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:26&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:26:09&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I imagine that it&#039;s an abstraction layer that keeps copies of pages served and can bypass WordPress&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:26:09&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:26&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:26:16&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Me either.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:26:16&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:26&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:26:28&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;In which case, this would help a lot and keep us on cheap hosting.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:26:28&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:26&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:26:45&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Shane pays those bills.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:26:45&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:26&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:26:53&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The ads help cover this&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:26:53&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:26&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:27:11&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;So if we moved elsewhere, that would complicate things, I think.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:27:11&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:27&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:27:11&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Heh. Thinking about off-site backups, why setup a torrent?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:27:11&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:27&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:27:34&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;&quot;Why setup&quot; or &quot;why /not/&quot;?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:27:34&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:27&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:27:44&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter: it&#039;s not simple&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:27:44&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:27&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:27:55&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;Sorry, pain killers are kicking in. Why not?&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:27:55&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:27&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:28:07&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I need to ask Shane if he&#039;s OK with floating his posts and the passwords need to be stripped off the DB&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:28:07&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:28&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:28:38&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;I meant technically.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:28:38&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:28&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:28:46&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter:&#160;&#160;I have statics of the pages. I could zip them up and make that a torrent hosted from here.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:28:46&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:28&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:29:04&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;That would make the equivalent of paper trail &#039;backup&#039; of the site&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:29:04&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:29&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:29:07&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;It&#039;s possible to set up a torrent, and add to it over time.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:29:07&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:29&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:29:13&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;But anyway, that&#039;s a separate matter&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:29:13&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:29&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:29:35&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Another issue is navigation, I think.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:29:35&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:29&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:29:35&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;So once a week you add the new pages, and anyone who is downloading the torrent gets them automatically.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:29:35&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:29&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:29:52&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;If you want to make a sort of ebook, that mat be possible, but it need grepping&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:29:52&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:29&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:30:20&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Like s/http:\/boycottnovell.com\/./&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:30:20&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:30&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:30:24&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;yes, that could be a bit of work.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:30:24&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:30&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:30:32&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Oops, sed, not grep&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:30:32&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:30&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:31:00&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;Anyway, regarding hosting, it&#039;s up to Shane really.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:31:00&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:31&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:31:06&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;I&#039;ll post that log for him to read.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:31:06&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:31&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:31:08&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve tried setting up an apache/php server once or twice, and messed it up pretty badly.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:31:08&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:31&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:31:27&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #42427e&quot;&gt;schestowitz&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #42427e&quot;&gt;That&#039;s acceptable for just secondary (backup)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:31:27&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:31&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:31:45&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #407a40&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #407a40&quot;&gt;K, anyway I better go grab another pill, I&#039;m hurting like a bastard today.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:31:45&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:31&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr id=&quot;tFeb 03 17:31:46&quot;&gt;&lt;th class=&quot;nick&quot; style=&quot;background: #854685&quot;&gt;jose__&lt;/th&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;text&quot; style=&quot;color: #854685&quot;&gt;The_Mad_Hatter, have you added to existing torrents before.. i thought that affected the torrent attributes and effectively means you are creating a new torrent .. meaning, i would imagine, that it would not be picked up by those grabbing the old (???)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;time&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#tFeb 03 17:31:46&quot; class=&quot;time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feb 03 17:31&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Shane.</p>
<p>Thanks for putting time into this. There was a discussion about it over the weekend (IRC) and minutes ago it came up again. Maybe the log below will help because it discusses options. Let me know what you think.</p>
<p>From the past ~30 minutes:</p>
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<td class="other" colspan="3">Feb 03 17:03:03 &lt;The_Mad_Hatter&gt;Try PRQ for hosting</td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:03:05">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRQ" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRQ</a></td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:03:05" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:03</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:03:37">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">They host wikileaks among others.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:03:37" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:03</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:03:56">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">And are not likely to bow down to Microsoft.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:03:56" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:03</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:07:29">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: thanks.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:07:29" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:07</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:07:33">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I considered Squid</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:07:33" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:07</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:07:55">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I need to get it installed once someone who advises me gets back to me. He was here in IRC the other day</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:07:55" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:07</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:08:44">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">You advised this to me before, right?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:08:44" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:08</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:08:51">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think it&#8217;s you who did.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:08:51" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:08</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:09:19">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Um, not directly. I did mention that I knew a place that was good.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:09:19" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:09</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:10:20">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Pirate Bay is bad IP (Address) neighbourhood, no?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:10:20" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:10</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:10:40">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Not as far as I can tell.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:10:40" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:10</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:10:51">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Another person suggested ibiblio</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:10:51" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:10</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:11">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">They host Groklaw, which has a dedicated AMD box</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:11" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:11">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ibibilio would be good to. You need something that can</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:11" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:16">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">A &#8211; Handle the load</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:16" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:31">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">B &#8211; Won&#8217;t be pushed around</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:31" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:35">
<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144"> what up fellas</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:35" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:39">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Hey, ushimitsudoki </td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:39" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:45">
<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144">I got laid off today</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:45" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:50">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">We need advice: <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/03/call-for-advice-and-help/" rel="nofollow">http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/03/call-fo&#8230;</a></td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:50" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:50">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">PRQ and Ibiblio are both good that way.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:50" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:54">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Morning.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:54" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:11:57">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ushimitsudoki: many people did.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:11:57" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:11</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:12:06">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">It&#8217;s not you, it&#8217;s the economy</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:12:06" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:12</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:12:13">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ouch. Sorry to hear that.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:12:13" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:12</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:12:27">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Of course then you got guys like me who can&#8217;t work.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:12:27" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:12</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:12:46">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: I&#8217;ll share this with Shane.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:12:46" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:12</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:12:46">
<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144">Yup &#8211; 6 years and poof like that. Things getting rough &#8211; I was a gov&#8217;t contractor, so you know shit&#8217;s getting bad</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:12:46" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:12</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:13:04">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">It gets bad with an MOU is signed. <img src='http://techrights.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:13:04" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:13</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:13:24">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ushimitsudoki: Japan, right?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:13:24" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:13</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:13:24">
<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144">Hah &#8211; making a site slashdot-proof is a good problem to have</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:13:24" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:13</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:13:31">
<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144">Yes, japan</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:13:31" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:13</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:13:36">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I&#8217;ve been reading a fair bit on what happens there.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:13:36" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:13</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:13:44">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Economy-wise, not IT&#8211;wise.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:13:44" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:13</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:13:59">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ushimitsudoki: we stood stable before</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:13:59" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:13</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:14:02">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I use Coral</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:14:02" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:14</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:14:03">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">But..</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:14:03" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:14</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:14:15">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">This means I need to be awake and aware when it happens</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:14:15" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:14</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:14:25">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Like an advance warning that some people E-mail us about.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:14:25" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:14</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:14:35">
<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Then I can redirect to Coral.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:14:35" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:14</a></td>
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<tr id="tFeb 03 17:14:48">
<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">advance warning of the slashdot effect? Sheesh.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:14:48" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:14</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The issue is, people move b/w pages, so they kind of &#8216;escape&#8217; the cashing sandbox</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:14:51" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:14</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">*caching</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:14:56" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:14</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: it&#8217;s easier with Digg</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:15:11" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:15</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">You just put your domain and RSS</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:15:17" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:15</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Just curious &#8211; how well backed up are you?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:15:25" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:15</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144">schestowitz: I wish I could make a good recommendation &#8211; but not my area. I thought I saw a wordpress plugin once that went to a static site automatically when a certain number of hits was reached? That&#8217;s one possibility</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:15:57" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:15</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Then you see if something advances close to FP and shield the pages up in the sense that you strip down the PHP file (trimming for DB load) or redirect</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:15:57" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:15</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: I back up regularly. So does Shane.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:16:14" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:16</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ushimitsudoki: yes, WordPress though does what a server-level (not CMS-level) software achieves</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:16:40" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:16</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">What I meant was, is it possible to download the entire site?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:16:46" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:16</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Also, we use the &#8216;LTS&#8217; version of WordPress, so many plugins are likely not to be compatible</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:17:05" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:17</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: it used to be possible</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:17:16" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:17</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The host blocked it</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:17:20" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:17</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">They set limits</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:17:26" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:17</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="http://boycottnovell.com/site-archives/" rel="nofollow">http://boycottnovell.com/site-archives/</a></td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:17:41" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:17</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">IIRC, they took the site down for a few minutes, then put it back online with limits on queries.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:18:04" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:18</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Distributed backups. I have a copy of the Iowa MS stuff here. What I&#8217;m saying is that if you get knocked down, say MS sues you for libel, if someone else has a copy, well&#8230;.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:18:26" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:18</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: they can&#8217;t sue for libel</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:18:42" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:18</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think you got the wrong host &lt;G&gt;</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:18:44" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:18</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144">Whoa. Waugh left GNOME? Is there real hope for the GNOME project?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:18:46" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:18</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">And they won&#8217;t</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:18:51" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:18</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">If anything, I could sue *Them* for libel if they chose this route</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:19:09" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:19</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Of course they can sue for libel, or whatever else they dream of. They might now win, but they can cause as much trouble as possible. If someone else has a copy, well&#8230;</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:19:33" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:19</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I once spoke to a lawyer who got Microsoft convicted for libel. I spoke to him in 2006</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:19:33" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:19</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ushimitsudoki: GNOME is fine</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:19:44" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:19</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think Waugh was a PR disaster to them. He caused friction /inside/ GNOME.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:20:01" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:20</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Murray for example went Rambo on him.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:20:11" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:20</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Hey, I&#8217;m paranoid. I&#8217;ve seen to much of this sort of stuff over the years.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:20:11" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:20</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144">schestowitz: I don&#8217;t trust it right now. Seems too many people are too eager to get mono all over it. With Icaza and Waugh out of the picture, things might look up, though</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:20:36" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:20</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: there are already 4 mirrors of Comes that I know of.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:20:39" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:20</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">It was a popular torrent in 2007</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:20:45" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:20</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Which is how I got it. And how many mirrors of BoycottNovell?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:21:06" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:21</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ushimitsudoki: Mono is a separate issue.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:21:09" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:21</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">GNOME != Mono</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:21:17" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:21</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">But GNOME is deployed with a lot of Mono</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:21:24" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:21</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Ubuntu contains Mono</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:21:29" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:21</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Ubuntu also contains GNOME</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:21:36" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:21</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">And I strip Mono out of Ubuntu.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:21:49" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:21</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: no mirror of BN</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:21:55" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:21</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144">schestowitz: In some ways, I agree. My point is a -lot- of people seem to be trying to change that into &#8220;gnome == mono&#8221; or at least &#8220;all the cool bits of gnome == mono&#8221;</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:21:59" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:21</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">There&#8217;s several threads in the Ubuntu forums covering the issue.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:22:10" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:22</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I don&#8217;t think we would mind one. I could set up one at work (simple Apache+PHP+WP thing)</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:22:29" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:22</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #818144">ushimitsudoki</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #818144">I felt like that was something Waugh was supportive of (the further integration of mono in gnome). And I -know- that&#8217;s something icaza tried to push</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:22:37" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:22</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think there needs to be mirrors of BN, preferably in different countries.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:22:39" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:22</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: the DB is the core of it</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:23:10" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:23</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Or at least archive copies, that can be put up quickly if anything happens.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:23:16" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:23</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So it could be floated around without the passwords in the DB.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:23:25" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:23</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Groklaw has a mirror too</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:23:32" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:23</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Our issue, however, is separate</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:24:04" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:24</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Of Comes yes. Of the writing you&#8217;ve done, if the have it, I didn&#8217;t see it.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:24:04" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:24</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Let&#8217;s say the load on &#8220;Effects&#8221; is not the issue but regular loads also</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:24:20" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:24</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">About 90 DB queries/seconds</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:24:29" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:24</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I think Squid will improve this</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:24:38" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:24</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">It ought to serve identical pages without rerunning the whole thing each time</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:24:59" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:24</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don&#8217;t know, that sort of stuff is beyond me.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:25:06" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:25</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Since people don&#8217;t hammer on the archives as much as on new posts, that ought to help a lot</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:25:24" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:25</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I don&#8217;t know how Pound and Squid work because I never tried it</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:25:38" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:25</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I imagine that it&#8217;s an abstraction layer that keeps copies of pages served and can bypass WordPress</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:26:09" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:26</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Me either.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:26:16" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:26</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">In which case, this would help a lot and keep us on cheap hosting.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:26:28" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:26</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Shane pays those bills.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:26:45" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:26</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The ads help cover this</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:26:53" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:26</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">So if we moved elsewhere, that would complicate things, I think.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:27:11" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:27</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Heh. Thinking about off-site backups, why setup a torrent?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:27:11" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:27</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">&#8220;Why setup&#8221; or &#8220;why /not/&#8221;?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:27:34" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:27</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter: it&#8217;s not simple</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:27:44" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:27</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Sorry, pain killers are kicking in. Why not?</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:27:55" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:27</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I need to ask Shane if he&#8217;s OK with floating his posts and the passwords need to be stripped off the DB</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:28:07" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:28</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I meant technically.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:28:38" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:28</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The_Mad_Hatter:&nbsp;&nbsp;I have statics of the pages. I could zip them up and make that a torrent hosted from here.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:28:46" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:28</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">That would make the equivalent of paper trail &#8216;backup&#8217; of the site</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:29:04" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:29</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">It&#8217;s possible to set up a torrent, and add to it over time.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:29:07" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:29</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">But anyway, that&#8217;s a separate matter</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:29:13" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:29</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Another issue is navigation, I think.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:29:35" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:29</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So once a week you add the new pages, and anyone who is downloading the torrent gets them automatically.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:29:35" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:29</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">If you want to make a sort of ebook, that mat be possible, but it need grepping</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:29:52" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:29</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Like s/http:\/boycottnovell.com\/./</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:30:20" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:30</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, that could be a bit of work.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:30:24" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:30</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Oops, sed, not grep</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:30:32" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:30</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Anyway, regarding hosting, it&#8217;s up to Shane really.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:31:00" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:31</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I&#8217;ll post that log for him to read.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:31:06" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:31</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I&#8217;ve tried setting up an apache/php server once or twice, and messed it up pretty badly.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:31:08" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:31</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">schestowitz</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #42427e">That&#8217;s acceptable for just secondary (backup)</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:31:27" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:31</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">The_Mad_Hatter</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #407a40">K, anyway I better go grab another pill, I&#8217;m hurting like a bastard today.</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:31:45" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:31</a></td>
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<th class="nick" style="background: #854685">jose__</th>
<td class="text" style="color: #854685">The_Mad_Hatter, have you added to existing torrents before.. i thought that affected the torrent attributes and effectively means you are creating a new torrent .. meaning, i would imagine, that it would not be picked up by those grabbing the old (???)</td>
<td class="time"><a href="#tFeb 03 17:31:46" class="time" rel="nofollow">Feb 03 17:31</a></td>
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