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02.18.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 18th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 11:29 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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oiaohm_ About the only ones who request generic packages are gamers zer0c00l Feb 18 13:51
zer0c00l oiaohm: any do you have any link for autopackage or 0install Feb 18 13:51
oiaohm_ remember ID .run files for there games.   Nvidia .run files …. you come into contact with generic package a lot. Feb 18 13:52
zer0c00l oiaohm: also i hate the dependency problem Feb 18 13:52
oiaohm_ The issue with no one requesting. Feb 18 13:52
oiaohm_ is that projects like autopackage and 0install get left to suffer without large numbers of developers. Feb 18 13:53
zer0c00l oh Feb 18 13:53
oiaohm_ http://0install.net/ http://autopackage.org/ both of there URL. Feb 18 13:54
zer0c00l if this is implemented we can reduce the bandwidth which should be spent for downloading packages for each disttro Feb 18 13:54
*zer0c00l looks Feb 18 13:54
oiaohm_ 0install can in theory. Feb 18 13:54
oiaohm_ If enough people were using it. Feb 18 13:54
oiaohm_ Good old chicken and egg problem. Feb 18 13:54
zer0c00l i will ask those people it to add it as a feature Feb 18 13:55
zer0c00l like submit it for fedora’s feature list Feb 18 13:55
zer0c00l also ubunut’s Feb 18 13:55
zer0c00l *ubuntu ‘s Feb 18 13:55
*zer0c00l feels its time for dinner.. Feb 18 13:56
zer0c00l they wont giv me food if i go late to the mess :( Feb 18 13:56
zer0c00l brb Feb 18 13:56
oiaohm_ Classic example of why distributions are so badly divided today.  No one thinks common ground between them exists. Feb 18 14:01
oiaohm_ pardon my slightly off topic there schestowitz Feb 18 14:02
schestowitz Microsoft lockin at work: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13880_3-10165422-68.html “Last year, I decided to give Linux a try. Everything was going well, until I started working for a company that uses Microsoft Outlook for e-mail.” Feb 18 14:03
schestowitz Distributions are like meals. Same components, one restaurant. Feb 18 14:04
oiaohm_ Yet at a restraurant you are aware everything is coming from same compentents Feb 18 14:05
schestowitz BN served over 3000 unique IPs in the past 8 hours. I think it’s StumbleUpon effect. I’ll check logs Feb 18 14:05
oiaohm_ Distributions go out of there way to try to make themselfs look completely not releated. Feb 18 14:05
schestowitz Yes. Feb 18 14:08
schestowitz That’s a good thing Feb 18 14:08
schestowitz People want to use unique software sometimes, for the same reason that phones come in many colous Feb 18 14:09
oiaohm_ Not when it means the same application is build a few 100 times Feb 18 14:09
oiaohm_ Into like 100 different package formats. Feb 18 14:09
oiaohm_ That is pure time wasting. Feb 18 14:09
schestowitz The source code is there. Feb 18 14:09
schestowitz You can have ‘big computers’ compile in the BG Feb 18 14:10
oiaohm_ Source code is there it still don’t justify wasting them. Feb 18 14:10
oiaohm_ Think about the numbers of applications Fedora Debian Ubuntu maintain that are over laps. Feb 18 14:10
oiaohm_ Wasted time could be spent on building tests on sections that are not working. Feb 18 14:11
oiaohm_ Compared to building stacks of stuff that works. Feb 18 14:11
oiaohm_ Multiable times. Feb 18 14:11
schestowitz I see now….. it’s one of the Intel posts that got hit Feb 18 14:12
oiaohm_ I am off to bed Feb 18 14:13
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/09/m… … This one via Stumble Upon: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u…g Feb 18 14:14
oiaohm_ Have a good day schestowitz Feb 18 14:14
schestowitz hanks. Feb 18 14:14
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schestowitz “Query statistics: Since its startup, 178,865,825 queries have been sent to the server.” (17 days ago) Feb 18 14:15
schestowitz {heart kiss} Microsoft Feb 18 14:18
schestowitz * Telstra {heart kiss} Microsoft < http://www.theregister.co.uk/… > Feb 18 14:18
schestowitz Accumulating Aussie shills for the cause….. Feb 18 14:18
schestowitz BN is doing 120 queries per second right now. Server load is too high. Feb 18 14:23
zer0c00l :) Feb 18 14:28
schestowitz OMG. Cringely give it to Microsoft: The Bentonville Mafia < http://www.cringely.com/2009/02/the-b… > Feb 18 14:32
*schestowitz trims down pages as server load goes “critical” Feb 18 14:41
schestowitz Hehe. Brilliant: http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/02/crow… Feb 18 14:43
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb…. “To some extent people are exaggerating the issue, since such a collision cannot launch the subs’ missiles. If the collision had been harder, it might have sunk one or both of the submarines and killed the crew. That would have been a sea disaster, but not a global calamity.” Feb 18 15:00
schestowitz Italian bill aims to block mafia Facebook shrines < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/1… > Feb 18 15:01
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schestowitz Why pay for staroffice these days? (new) http://www.shareware.de/software-ka… Feb 18 15:22
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zer0c00l yeah Feb 18 15:23
zer0c00l open office is better these days Feb 18 15:24
schestowitz Even Sun does not know its financial strategy when it come to staroffice Feb 18 15:24
schestowitz They stopped distributing it free of charge in (windows-only) Google Pack. Feb 18 15:24
zer0c00l oh Feb 18 15:25
schestowitz I mailed DiBona to ask why Google give StarOffice for free only to Windows users. He din’t want to respond probably because there is no easy answer. Feb 18 15:25
zer0c00l schestowitz: whats the reality behind sun acquiring oss products like mysql,virtualbox Feb 18 15:25
zer0c00l do you have any idea? Feb 18 15:26
zer0c00l will they harm the community? Feb 18 15:26
schestowitz They want profit Feb 18 15:27
schestowitz But as long as it’s GPL, then it’s not at risk Feb 18 15:27
zer0c00l also i guess they dont want M$’s domination Feb 18 15:28
*zer0c00l is installing ubuntu for one of my college mate .. Feb 18 15:29
zer0c00l some of my friends are frustrated about the viruses and worms which are in windozw Feb 18 15:29
zer0c00l when they come to my room to remove those viruses ..i usually install them with ubuntu or fedora Feb 18 15:30
zer0c00l LOL :D Feb 18 15:30
zer0c00l thanks to viruses and worms Feb 18 15:30
schestowitz It’s the quicker fix Feb 18 15:34
schestowitz It also requires less intervention. Feb 18 15:34
schestowitz And you don’t need to install much software because it’s already there by default and it stays clean. Feb 18 15:35
*zer0c00l has internals tomorrow on mobile communication Feb 18 15:39
*zer0c00l haven’t touched the book yet Feb 18 15:40
*zer0c00l hates the dump non-practical syllabus Feb 18 15:41
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jose schestowitz, this comment goes will with the bn piece about Microsoft suing/jailing their piracy distribution partners: Feb 18 16:05
jose >> They’re not interested in distributors of unlicensed copies, Feb 18 16:05
jose from http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/02/… Feb 18 16:05
jose will -> well Feb 18 16:05
jose Here is more context Feb 18 16:06
jose >> Despite being insanely aggressive and unrestrained, none of these tactics work, and several have backfired spectacularly. V.i. Labs’ CodeArmor uses a different approach: it reports on copies that are actually being used. The idea is to find out who is using the software without paying for it, and then pay them a friendly visit and turn them into a paying customer. They’re not interested in distributors of unlicensed copies, or the odd nerd who makes a Feb 18 16:06
jose copy, uses it once, and then never touches it again. It also protects against reverse-engineering and cheat codes. Feb 18 16:06
jose It’s valuable to have people distribute your wares. Feb 18 16:07
jose Microsoft suing them is …. Feb 18 16:07
jose schestowitz, [new topic] can you set aside a place on the wiki to design a distro? Feb 18 16:14
jose what I am thinking is that subprojects and designs, worked on in open fashion, including by nontechies, can eventually be leveraged by other distro projects.. bn can serve as a focus point of sorts but be generally useful to Linux Feb 18 16:15
jose not long ago, a conversation arose over designing better 3d desktop experiences. much of the design of any software can be done at a high level and leverage many skills. Feb 18 16:16
jose we might even stimulate digital tipping point to grow in a direction where we are building Linux marketing or desktop videos for use today. Feb 18 16:17
schestowitz Hey Feb 18 16:18
schestowitz Yes, I saw that post from Carola Feb 18 16:18
schestowitz Carla Feb 18 16:18
schestowitz I mentioned this in BN too. Feb 18 16:18
schestowitz jose: of course you can use the Wiki for anything Feb 18 16:19
twitter1 “I mailed DiBona to ask why Google give StarOffice for free only to Windows users. He din’t want to respond probably because there is no easy answer.”  Easy advertising?  When you learn how good it is, you might want to run it on a real OS. Feb 18 16:19
schestowitz Create a Wiki account though, I needed to block anonymous edits due to spam Feb 18 16:19
twitter1 twitter1? Feb 18 16:19
schestowitz twitter1: maybe. Feb 18 16:20
twitter1 You have wiki accounts set up now? Feb 18 16:20
schestowitz twitter1: probably some Freenode spilt/ghost Feb 18 16:20
schestowitz twitter1: anyone can create an account Feb 18 16:20
twitter1 If you are a business, StarOffice is cheaper than M$ Office. Feb 18 16:20
schestowitz The Wiki isn’t announced publicly yet. It needs a lot more work to be presentable. Feb 18 16:21
schestowitz I’ll work a lot about it in H2 of 2009 Feb 18 16:21
twitter1 I’ll try logging out and in.  Then I’ll check out the wiki. Feb 18 16:21
schestowitz I’ll unload some other chores to carry on doing Comes, which I haven’t in a while. Feb 18 16:21
twitter1 Do me a favor and make sure the trolls don’t take the name “twitter”  you know my IP address. Feb 18 16:22
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twitter there, that’s better Feb 18 16:22
twitter Yes, I should learn the name change command. Feb 18 16:22
PetoKraus /nick? Feb 18 16:24
*twitter is now known as nick1 Feb 18 16:24
*nick1 is now known as twitter Feb 18 16:24
twitter that works, thanks Feb 18 16:24
PetoKraus >.> Feb 18 16:24
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schestowitz Moonshite[sic]: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10163475-… “what does microsoft have to offer with silverlight? DRM, yea that supposed to be a “feature not a bug”.” Feb 18 16:27
twitter oiaohm seems to have regurgitated some silly FUD above. Feb 18 16:28
schestowitz More Moonshine|Moonshite: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/m… It’s NOT even a new release… they just piggyback MS/Novell with Moon Lie. Feb 18 16:29
twitter Why do people build hundreds of different distributions of the same software?  Because they can!  Freedom is not a waste of time, having to reinvent the wheel for system libraries because you don’t trust M$ is. Feb 18 16:29
schestowitz oiaohm = “LinuxHater Redux” Feb 18 16:29
twitter he’s kind of like a benefits of free software refresher course.  without people like that, I’d forget why free software is so cool. Feb 18 16:30
schestowitz http://linux-haters-redux.blogspot.com/ Feb 18 16:30
twitter literally? Feb 18 16:31
twitter has he told you he’s the author of that crap? Feb 18 16:33
twitter linux-haters, the end result of M$’s “softening up on Open Source” is more FUD. Feb 18 16:34
twitter ut oh, more fraud and losses, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20… Feb 18 16:35
twitter makes a bank run http://www.reuters.com/article/top… Feb 18 16:35
twitter M$ denies it profits from selling two OS per computer, http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?c… Feb 18 16:36
twitter I wonder how many times people pay for Windoze per computer. Feb 18 16:37
twitter My laptop was used to sell at least three copies.  I got one OEM because there was no naked or GNU/Linux option.  It was used from IBM, so they had sold at least one other OEM copy when it was new.  My University sold me at least one copy through compulsory student fees.  That’s three for my one laptop and there was probably more from the laptop’s previous life. Feb 18 16:40
twitter My point is that M$ has zero potential for growth and a good chance of contraction because of tactics like this.  It annoys users. Feb 18 16:41
twitter bbl Feb 18 16:41
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jose on the wiki thing and distro project.. Feb 18 16:42
jose a group can design through words (concept group) Feb 18 16:42
jose another draws/animates the concepts as necessary and introduces own ideas and details Feb 18 16:43
jose parallel technical development accompanies the various projects Feb 18 16:43
jose thetuxproject sort of was starting some of this.. let’s see if using bn gets more momentum.. Feb 18 16:45
jose if people come to learn about how bad the threats to linux might be Feb 18 16:45
jose they might stay around and contribute to linux directly Feb 18 16:45
jose this goes along with the theme of bn offering strictly pro-linux content Feb 18 16:46
jose of offering a pro-linux section, in other words Feb 18 16:46
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schestowitz OK, back.. Feb 18 16:47
jose some words as to the terms and licenses (copyright mostly but also patent perhaps) would be handy Feb 18 16:47
schestowitz Ha! What did I tell you? Madoff was only the very beginning. “Hundreds of people lined up to withdraw money from banks in Antigua and Caracas affiliated with Texas billionaire Allen Stanford, a day after the tycoon was charged with an $8 billion fraud. Feb 18 16:48
schestowitz Feb 18 16:48
jose not sure if wordpress is ideal for this.. but to organize ideas, do research, etc. we might have enough.. we can combine efforts with other groups (thetuxproject uses or used drupal) Feb 18 16:49
schestowitz After madoff a lady that’s one of the ‘richest’ (on paper) is said to have committed suicide Feb 18 16:49
balzac Is it fraud or is it just that they didn’t get bailed out? Feb 18 16:49
schestowitz There are many rats out there looking at each other waiting to see who get busted for being a con artist fast. The chain reaction.. Feb 18 16:49
schestowitz Bailout=looting Feb 18 16:49
schestowitz It was funny watching Obama talk about it Feb 18 16:49
schestowitz So many lies Feb 18 16:49
schestowitz He kept a straight face. Feb 18 16:49
schestowitz The public face of the real government Feb 18 16:50
balzac How can you discriminate between the ponzi schemes and the rest of the stock-market gamblers and hucksters who are considered legitimate and were bailed out? Feb 18 16:50
jose yes yes but i still have some hope.. Feb 18 16:50
schestowitz http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?… “Stanford International Bank Ltd’s Colombian brokerage unit will deregister from the country’s securities exchange after the firm was accused of fraud in the U.S.” Feb 18 16:50
jose the ponzi scheme is destined to fail no matter what, whereas the others were simply abused Feb 18 16:51
schestowitz jose: excellent. Feb 18 16:51
schestowitz Have you created a new anchor page yet? Feb 18 16:51
jose the wiki? Feb 18 16:51
jose haven’t created an account yet Feb 18 16:51
schestowitz balzac: *LOL* bailout and fraud are synonyms these days. Feb 18 16:52
jose let me go and do some things (I’ll stay on though) Feb 18 16:52
schestowitz balzac: good point. You can feed the crooks while they are unexposed. I think Microsoft wants piece of that bailout too (it’s near debt and it lobbied for this lootin^H^H^Hmulus) Feb 18 16:53
jose the computerworld link twitter posted about ms profiting from downgrades to winxp Feb 18 16:57
schestowitz Yes, I posted this in  BN Feb 18 16:58
schestowitz I linked to PCWorld (also IDG, same article) Feb 18 16:58
jose gives another great reason to dislike microsoft and seek out linux and contribute to it Feb 18 16:58
schestowitz Microsoft counts as 2 Windows sales the resale of Windows for 1 PC Feb 18 16:58
schestowitz This has gone on for a while Feb 18 16:58
schestowitz Some computers with Vista count as 2 copies of Vista because THEY RUN XP!! Feb 18 16:59
schestowitz This was pointed out in USENET 1  year ago.. VERY eye opening. Feb 18 16:59
schestowitz It’s called triple-dipping Feb 18 16:59
jose “who me” Feb 18 17:00
jose of course microsoft doesn’t benefit from the downgrading Feb 18 17:01
jose they just benefit from the new copy, the old copy, the intermediate-required copy….. Feb 18 17:01
jose untrustworthy comes to mind Feb 18 17:01
jose and so does stinking rat Feb 18 17:01
jose if you have integrity, there is much more downside from any deals with microsoft.. ithink Feb 18 17:02
jose the problem with some types of businesses, at least if you want to grow a lot.. Feb 18 17:04
jose is that there are too many opportunities for you to be outdone by someone willing to get closer to the mud.. Feb 18 17:05
jose since the benefits of knocking out a competitor can be very significant Feb 18 17:05
jose by many standards, red hat could be a much larger company today, but they pretty much appear to stay inside the line. Feb 18 17:06
jose nick jose-learned-a-new-trick-today Feb 18 17:07
*jose is now known as jose-learned-a-n Feb 18 17:07
jose-learned-a-n i guess i didn’t learn it so well as i had thought Feb 18 17:08
jose-learned-a-n nick jose Feb 18 17:08
jose-learned-a-n lol Feb 18 17:08
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jose great Feb 18 17:08
*jose is now known as jose-242 Feb 18 17:08
schestowitz Hey Feb 18 17:09
*schestowitz reads in intervals, sorry Feb 18 17:09
*schestowitz sets mode -e schestowitz Feb 18 17:10
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*services. sets mode +e schestowitz Feb 18 17:10
schestowitz I wanted to see if it preserved op, which it does. Feb 18 17:10
jose-242 can you do that again? Feb 18 17:10
schestowitz I am logged it using a password, so.. Feb 18 17:10
schestowitz jose-242: what for? Anyway, about the multi-dipping, this is worth a fully dedicated post, I think. Feb 18 17:11
jose-242 jose was taken somehow during that interval or for whatever reason Feb 18 17:11
jose-242 maybe it was a sync issue Feb 18 17:11
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jose yeah, i can’t switch Feb 18 17:12
jose odd Feb 18 17:12
jose i did switch even though was told the nickname was registered Feb 18 17:13
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jooose i could not change to joose Feb 18 17:13
jooose anyway…. Feb 18 17:13
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twitter cool, a multi-dipping post. That should be interesting. Feb 18 17:19
twitter just spotted this – AMD spins off manufacturing, http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/a… Feb 18 17:19
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schestowitz twitter: it’s old news actually. Feb 18 17:23
schestowitz The lawsuit raised this and issued a challenge, that’s all Feb 18 17:23
schestowitz In general, when billg|steveb say “Vista was sold to X people” they know they are lying Feb 18 17:23
schestowitz But they lie with a straight face Feb 18 17:23
schestowitz Andre Gide: “The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity.” Feb 18 17:24
schestowitz Fraud found in Blackberry today Feb 18 17:24
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/046/1051046… Feb 18 17:24
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schestowitz Join the chain reaction. When corruption is the new ‘norm’, then getting busted soon becomes the norm, too. Feb 18 17:25
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PetoKraus hmm Feb 18 17:28
PetoKraus how would i address a letter to a woman Feb 18 17:28
PetoKraus Mrs or Ms Feb 18 17:29
PetoKraus when I don’t know Feb 18 17:29
PetoKraus :D Feb 18 17:29
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schestowitz Just no title Feb 18 17:30
PetoKraus hm Feb 18 17:30
PetoKraus Dear Name Surname, etc? Feb 18 17:30
schestowitz Good news today for us… I’ve had press inquiries recently and BN gets a lot of visitors today (about 10k uniques). We’ll carry on with Comes soon… that’s where lots of attention is focused these days (unique archives) Feb 18 17:31
schestowitz PetoKraus: Just “Dear” :-) Feb 18 17:31
schestowitz Oh dear! Feb 18 17:31
PetoKraus ;) Feb 18 17:31
schestowitz Maybe it’ll be a guy Feb 18 17:31
schestowitz IDG MAFIAA shills? http://www.pcworld.com/article/159732/its… Feb 18 17:32
schestowitz “No, I’m not a card-carrying member of the RIAA, nor am I a fan of the recording industry’s past strong-arm tactics to fight piracy, including last year’s RIAA lawsuit when a Minnesota woman was found guilty of copyright infringement for sharing a measly 24 files on Kazaa.” Feb 18 17:32
schestowitz See, those idiots propagate and buy the illusion that ANY file shared on the Web is “illegal” Feb 18 17:33
schestowitz I guess all those screenshots I get too must be “piracy” Feb 18 17:33
schestowitz Yeah… those E-mails I get too.. and those massive 650MB files (Linux distros)… this has really got to stop! Decetralised sharing… kind of like folks meeting at a pub Feb 18 17:34
schestowitz Maybe they’ll attack RFIDs to all manufactured CD-ROMs and DVDs to check we don’t pass these too… or put back doors in CD-burning software with spyware capabilities. Feb 18 17:34
schestowitz Maybe they can just gouge people’s eyes and ears because these organs are responsible for so much “piracy” Feb 18 17:35
schestowitz And erase people’s brains too because they might remember a song or a film. Feb 18 17:35
schestowitz We’re in Heise.de: http://www.heise.de/tp/blogs/4/132566 Feb 18 17:37
schestowitz Cool! New ALP GUI: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3… Feb 18 17:38
schestowitz “Combining GPL, closed code – One of Linux’s elder statesmen has published an essay about combining proprietary software with GPL-licensed software (such as the Linux kernel) in devices. Focusing on the specific example of mobile phones, Perens offers advice both about what to do and what not to do. ” http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS838… Feb 18 17:41
schestowitz This contradicts Microsoft’s “GPL is like a cancer” FUD Feb 18 17:41
schestowitz The Geek Stuff offers downloads of Ramesh Natarajan’s Linux 101 Hacks E-Book for  f  r e e  via password “linuxrocks”. Feb 18 17:43
schestowitz @ http://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=1195923&amp… Feb 18 17:43
schestowitz “And thank you, EU Commission, for creating a reality that makes it possible for the GPL to find a level playing field.”Source:  http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?stor… Hmmmmmm… not sure about the EU part Feb 18 17:46
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jose i so dislike almost anything using the words “ms” “deal” and “linux” in it Feb 18 17:50
jose but it seems to me that this vm deal is almost necessary from the corp support pov Feb 18 17:50
jose at least as many will run such combinations Feb 18 17:50
jose nevertheless Feb 18 17:51
jose …. Feb 18 17:52
schestowitz Here is another perspective Feb 18 17:53
schestowitz Microsoft f*ed over Xen Feb 18 17:54
schestowitz It used Citrix partner Feb 18 17:54
schestowitz Microsoft f*ed over VMware Feb 18 17:54
schestowitz It used the EMC partner Feb 18 17:54
schestowitz So it’s choking Red Hat et al Feb 18 17:54
schestowitz Could Red Hat be pressued also by the Hyper-V-SLES exclusivity? Feb 18 17:54
schestowitz If so, why without patent extortion>? Feb 18 17:55
jose it seems we are definitely talking about hypervisors which i think require os hooks… Feb 18 17:55
jose i knew there was a hook in there somewhere Feb 18 17:55
schestowitz Microsoft leverages these Feb 18 17:56
jose as mentioned here http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mo… Feb 18 17:56
schestowitz After it had put the VMware mole (Maritz) in charge they signed at least 1 deal, maybe two Feb 18 17:56
jose there are alternatives where linux runs underneath and ms cooperation (nor linux tie ins to ms) is not required Feb 18 17:57
schestowitz I’ll post some more about ti later Feb 18 17:58
jose regardless of this certification deal, red hat is in for fighting against unfair competition Feb 18 17:58
schestowitz http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20051013/… “You also won’t have to worry about Vista if you buy oneof Apple Computer’s Macintosh computers, which don’t runWindows.” Feb 18 18:04
schestowitz Feature: it doesn’t run Windows Feb 18 18:04
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schestowitz Whoa! Feb 18 18:18
schestowitz Ostatic quietly became part of the IDG umbrella. Feb 18 18:18
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jose bye Feb 18 18:32
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schestowitz Abba star slates ‘lazy, stingy’ Pirate Bay fans http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/… “Former Abba guitar player Björn Ulvaeus has hit out at supporters of The Pirate Bay and accused them of fighting for “the ‘freedom’ to be lazy and stingy”.” Feb 18 18:50
trmanco http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplane… Feb 18 18:52
silentivm yes, I’m kinda lazy. :) Feb 18 18:52
schestowitz trmanco:  :-) Feb 18 18:57
schestowitz Did you see page 2? Feb 18 18:59
balzac Maybe Abba and Metallica should tour together to shame those who challenge copyright law. Feb 18 19:01
silentivm good idea Feb 18 19:01
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MinceR they should tour together… on the surface of the Sun. Feb 18 19:22
schestowitz Microsystems (capitalisation noted) Feb 18 19:24
schestowitz They’ll be broke and out of work in no-time Feb 18 19:24
MinceR :) Feb 18 19:24
MinceR i meant the real thing though Feb 18 19:24
MinceR nice 6000°C weather and all Feb 18 19:25
schestowitz It’s not painful, you melt.. Feb 18 19:25
MinceR but molten people can’t talk. Feb 18 19:25
schestowitz Torturous death comes from working for Sun (the other one) Feb 18 19:25
schestowitz Molten people have greater problems Feb 18 19:26
schestowitz The hypocrite bully is on the loose again.. Ballmer praises openness, attacks iPhone < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-269605.html > Feb 18 19:29
trmanco schestowitz, yes I did, he quoted you a couple of times :-P Feb 18 19:29
schestowitz trmanco: thanks. Feb 18 19:29
schestowitz “Andrea Milani and his team of professional asteroid hunters have upgraded the probability that Asteroid 1999 RQ36 could hit the Earth between the years 2169 and 2199. ” http://www.itwire.com/content/… Feb 18 19:30
schestowitz I didn’t know we’d even make it this far. What’s worse? Localised impact of an asteroid or nuclear retalisations in many places? The Russian had 40,000 nukes some decades ago. Feb 18 19:31
schestowitz *ssians Feb 18 19:31
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toros hi Feb 18 19:35
MinceR hay Feb 18 19:36
silentivm hi Feb 18 19:36
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schestowitz New  Arch released..   http://www.archlinux.org/news/435/ lots of other releases this week. Feb 18 19:40
schestowitz GParted, CDlinux, Trixbox, RIPLinuX, Parted Magic, paldo, paldo, DragonFly ……. Feb 18 19:41
schestowitz No recession in *NIX world…. Feb 18 19:41
MinceR only in the FLOSS part :> Feb 18 19:43
silentivm XD Feb 18 19:44
schestowitz Yes. Maybe Leopard Slow is next up Feb 18 19:44
toros paldo? is this the distro with the mono-based package manager? Feb 18 19:53
toros yepp, it is: http://www.paldo.org/index-section-about-… Feb 18 19:54
schestowitz Hehe, yes, I’ve heard… Feb 18 19:57
toros once I tested the distro Feb 18 19:58
toros It wasn’t bad, but as I remember, the package manager was pretty slow and stupid Feb 18 19:59
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toros not as bad as MyahOS… :P Feb 18 20:02
schestowitz Small projects Feb 18 20:09
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/159757/microso… (Microsoft Kills Equipt Subscription Offering) Feb 18 20:34
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schestowitz AMD still deeply troubled… AMD Shareholders Favor Manufacturing Spinoff < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159734/amd_sha… > Feb 18 20:54
MinceR something i’ve just noticed about the WIPO: Feb 18 21:01
MinceR “The Washington Post reported in 2003 that Lois Boland (USPTO Director of International Relations) said “that open-source software runs counter to the mission of WIPO, which is to promote intellectual-property rights.” Also saying, “To hold a meeting which has as its purpose to disclaim or waive such rights seems to us to be contrary to the goals of WIPO.”” Feb 18 21:01
MinceR http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WIPO Feb 18 21:01
schestowitz WIPO is corrupt… morally corrupt Feb 18 21:03
schestowitz So it’s hardly news Feb 18 21:03
MinceR i wonder if the entirety of the UN is this corrupt Feb 18 21:03
schestowitz It’s a front for companies that invest in intellectual monopolies Feb 18 21:03
MinceR or the WIPO is somehow special Feb 18 21:03
schestowitz Seach BN for “WIPO” :-) Feb 18 21:04
schestowitz You’ll be surprised Feb 18 21:04
schestowitz Whip o’ Feb 18 21:04
MinceR i’ve always known that the WIPO was against freedom, competition and fair use Feb 18 21:05
MinceR i just didn’t know they explicitly oppose FLOSS, too Feb 18 21:05
MinceR and it makes me wonder about the rest of the UN Feb 18 21:08
schestowitz Yes. Feb 18 21:09
schestowitz UN and Gates has some chatz to do Feb 18 21:09
MinceR there should be a campaign to make states leave the WIPO and perhaps also the UN Feb 18 21:09
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/27/bill… Feb 18 21:09
schestowitz BillG is also doing OBAMAA: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/06/pu… Feb 18 21:10
schestowitz Many more… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/27/bill-… Feb 18 21:10
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/17/bil… Feb 18 21:10
schestowitz “Oh dear, what a charming philanthropist…” [he has moneyz... SHEESH] Feb 18 21:11
MinceR as charming as a pile of shit Feb 18 21:14
schestowitz More on Gates, as per one hour ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02… Feb 18 21:20
schestowitz Why are Apple customer accepting this type of abuse? http://www.pcworld.com/article/159733/apple_r… Feb 18 21:39
MinceR because they’re apple’s bitches Feb 18 21:40
MinceR there’s no amount of abuse they won’t take Feb 18 21:40
schestowitz What if Apple makes those rented phone explode? Feb 18 21:40
schestowitz [they have kill switches] Feb 18 21:40
silentivm because it’s Apple, after all, for the fanboys everything they make is cool Feb 18 21:40
schestowitz IDG has just published an article about Steve Jobs making the cover of a magazine. WTF? How does a front page of some paper count as news? Feb 18 21:47
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MinceR ooh, metanews! Feb 18 21:48
schestowitz Here, I found it again: Steve Jobs Makes The New Yorker Cover, Sort of < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159752/steve_jobs_make… > Feb 18 21:48
MinceR quick, someone write an article about IDG publishing an article about Steve Jobs making the cover of a magazine! Feb 18 21:49
MinceR then we can have a cover story about that article. Feb 18 21:49
schestowitz :-D Feb 18 21:49
schestowitz I’m doing a post about IDG ATM Feb 18 21:49
silentivm :D Feb 18 21:49
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schestowitz Guys, help me out, see if you spot typos: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/18/giga… (some sites will hate me for it) Feb 18 21:50
silentivm looks OK Feb 18 21:53
MinceR i didn’t spot any Feb 18 21:54
schestowitz Thanks. Feb 18 21:59
schestowitz Mozilla, Skype join iPhone jailbreak fight < http://www.theregister.co.uk/… > Feb 18 22:04
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schestowitz Another company bites dust: “BearingPoint has filed for Chapter 11 as part of a financial restructuring agreed with its senior creditors which will see existing shareholders wiped out.” http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009… Feb 18 22:08
schestowitz All of this mostly due to fraud. And self-proclaimed smartasses like Milton Friedman are against government intervention… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBB7l-SfoK4 Feb 18 22:11
schestowitz Ubuntu fanboyism from Mark Shuttleworth’s friend: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505… Feb 18 22:14
schestowitz [Missing disclosure: Ubuntu is built by my buddy.] Feb 18 22:14
schestowitz Would Apple customer think this is “Cool!” too? http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/lat… Feb 18 22:18
MinceR they would think “DURRRRR” just like they normally do. Feb 18 22:19
schestowitz Do they know what Perl is? Feb 18 22:22
schestowitz I think along the lines of Safariphotoshop mentality Feb 18 22:22
schestowitz Safari is an apt name. The Safari accommodates herds that roam a certain wild and follow the example of one another. Apple employs men with jeeps and big guns to shoot down or sedate… errr… ‘illegal’ programs and phones that threaten other animals Feb 18 22:25
silentivm nice analogy Feb 18 22:25
schestowitz “Hi, I’m Linux. Hello, I’m a Mac, come join our Safari” Feb 18 22:25
schestowitz Webkit is to KHTML what elephant’s ivory is to an elephant :-D Feb 18 22:26
MinceR http://xkcd.com/545/ Feb 18 22:26
schestowitz LMAO. Watch this headline: http://www.netbooknews.de/1892/freescal… Feb 18 22:28
MinceR :D Feb 18 22:28
MinceR kinky. Feb 18 22:28
schestowitz Asimo is cheating on his wife: http://www.deviceguru.com/explore-as… Feb 18 22:32
schestowitz Nice second video Feb 18 22:33
schestowitz http://www.deviceguru.com/nightmare… “This time, however, rerouting traffic to CoralCDN wasn’t sufficient. On the day The BoxeeBox Cookbook was published — despite promises of “unlimited site bandwidth” by HostMonster, our webhosting service provider — visitors were greeted with this lovely page..” Feb 18 22:35
schestowitz Same with ours by the way Feb 18 22:35
schestowitz We have 500GB traffic limit Feb 18 22:35
schestowitz But Shane receives an E-mail saying this is “FAR TOO MUCH”… although he’s paying for it. So they tell you you can have X but take you down when you reach like a third of X. Yeah…. ‘unlimited’… they assume site will never come anywhere near. Feb 18 22:36
schestowitz “At this point, we couldn’t even login to the site’s web-based control panel or SSH into the server to try to remedy the situation.” Feb 18 22:37
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schestowitz “In other words the company “reserves the right to limit” the bandwidth of a website to whatever it decides is appropriate, based on current loading conditions, and can periodically disable the site — without warning — to enforce those limits. So much for “unlimited.”” Feb 18 22:37
*mib_mafz7x is now known as Silverlight Feb 18 22:38
schestowitz He’s the one from whom I learned about Coral in the first place. Feb 18 22:39
schestowitz Oh oh! We have Silverlight installed ;-) Feb 18 22:39
schestowitz Where is mononono Feb 18 22:39
schestowitz sudo apt-get install mononono  [ http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/ ] Feb 18 22:40
schestowitz monono Feb 18 22:40
schestowitz sudo ! Feb 18 22:40
schestowitz sudo !! Feb 18 22:40
schestowitz Left a comment there: “I had EXACTLY the same problem 2.5 weeks ago, despite Coral being enabled (I leaned this tip from you). It ruined part of my weekend and turned away readers.” Feb 18 22:40
silentivm porting mononono to Arch Feb 18 22:41
silentivm it’s just a PKGBUILD away Feb 18 22:41
schestowitz :-) Feb 18 22:42
schestowitz New comment: “I work at a big international semiconductor company (not Intel), and our team of designers use GNU/Linux (RHEL) for most of their EDA tools.” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/09/ms-vs… Feb 18 22:42
*Silverlight is wondering about being rejected :-( Feb 18 22:43
schestowitz Is Novell involved in any of this < http://au.sys-con.com/node/843713 > or is it only a Dell thing that put SLED/ Feb 18 22:44
*schestowitz sets mode -e schestowitz Feb 18 22:45
*You are now known as SilverLie Feb 18 22:45
*SilverLie is cross-platform Feb 18 22:45
*You are now known as schestowitz Feb 18 22:45
*services. sets mode +e schestowitz Feb 18 22:45
*Silverlight says an embracing good night to everybody Feb 18 22:45
Silverlight from Germany Feb 18 22:46
*MinceR sees the extending and extinguishing good nights coming Feb 18 22:47
MinceR schestowitz: it is cross-platform! it runs on every windows platform ;) Feb 18 22:47
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MinceR (except of course for the ones it doesn’t) Feb 18 22:47
schestowitz Is Apple still a Microsoft property? Feb 18 22:48
schestowitz How are MSFT’s investments in Jobs’little proprietary assurer? (and BSD abuser) Feb 18 22:48
MinceR someone said they aren’t but who knows Feb 18 22:50
MinceR m$ itself is a BSD abuser, too Feb 18 22:50
trmanco wtf Feb 18 22:50
trmanco “Why? .NET is one of the world’s most advanced VM implementations and Microsoft Feb 18 22:51
trmanco have put tremendous resources into building it. Competing with it is Feb 18 22:51
trmanco *extremely* difficult and will require not only a lot of cash but also a lot Feb 18 22:51
trmanco of talent.” Feb 18 22:51
MinceR trying to scare off competitors? or just self-delusion? :) Feb 18 22:52
schestowitz Did you paste this from Novell forums|? Feb 18 22:57
trmanco schestowitz, sort of Feb 18 22:58
schestowitz It’s like the “Vista cost $6billion to make” FUD pattern. Feb 18 22:58
trmanco http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.g… Feb 18 22:58
schestowitz Heh Feb 18 22:58
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schestowitz So it’s pasted from a Novell project (forum) Feb 18 22:59
trmanco yes Feb 18 23:02
schestowitz Intel us abusing its monopoly again:  Intel is just running scared says Nvidia < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/061/10… > Feb 18 23:02
silentivm ported mononono to Arch: http://rafb.net/p/DyvleT43.html Feb 18 23:03
schestowitz no-mo-mono would work too as a program name Feb 18 23:06
silentivm nice suggestion Feb 18 23:06
schestowitz Thanks, silentivm Feb 18 23:07
silentivm :) Feb 18 23:07
schestowitz It’s equally important to explain why it is an important package so that people install and run it Feb 18 23:07
silentivm yep Feb 18 23:08
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb.h… “In New Zealand: black out your avatars as a protest against the guilt-by-accusation internet law.” Feb 18 23:18
schestowitz Blackwater (assassins) are escaping bad reputation by nymshifting: The Mercenaries Previously Known as Blackwater < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8214 > Feb 18 23:19
schestowitz Nationalizing the Banks Seems Inevitable: How Bad Does It Have to Get First? < http://www.alternet.org/workplace/127091/national… > Feb 18 23:20
schestowitz ”     Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised…” — Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867 Feb 18 23:21
schestowitz Idiots. Feb 18 23:21
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schestowitz COmpanies seem to be fond of issue _PRESS releases_ for just some silly talk or presentation from employees…. http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/… Feb 18 23:33
schestowitz *issuing Feb 18 23:33
MinceR gn Feb 18 23:38
schestowitz “In a way, open source and the cloud are the same thing” –SugarCRM CEO John Roberts   Very bad quote that one, unless he wants to kill “open source” (as a term) for good. Bad to Free software, methinks :-) Feb 18 23:49
schestowitz Krugle acquired: Aragon Acquires Software Analysis and Maintenance Technology Leader Krugle < http://www.aragoncg.com/outsourc… > Feb 18 23:49
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