Comments on: Novell Committed to Microsoft Technologies, But Not so Much to Free Desktop (RadeonHD) http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bill http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-3/#comment-60176 bill Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:02:19 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60176 "Roy Schestowitz said, March 2, 2009 at 5:57 pm It was a quote, not a statement that I made, and I suspected it was fallacious but wasn’t sure. I’ll remove that quote." I think this statement says it all - you're a shill, truth doesn't matter nor does journalistic integrety. You have an opinion and you will write whatever you want to support that opinion. Have you ever considered what would happen to Linux if your wish for Novell to fail actually happened - who would pick up the developmental and financial support it provides? Maybe it's not Novell you wish to fail but Linux and Novell is the crack in the dyke you've decided to exploit so that you could fracture the community and and weaken Linux's ongoing development. “Roy Schestowitz said,
March 2, 2009 at 5:57 pm
It was a quote, not a statement that I made, and I suspected it was fallacious but wasn’t sure. I’ll remove that quote.”

I think this statement says it all – you’re a shill, truth doesn’t matter nor does journalistic integrety. You have an opinion and you will write whatever you want to support that opinion.

Have you ever considered what would happen to Linux if your wish for Novell to fail actually happened – who would pick up the developmental and financial support it provides? Maybe it’s not Novell you wish to fail but Linux and Novell is the crack in the dyke you’ve decided to exploit so that you could fracture the community and and weaken Linux’s ongoing development.

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-3/#comment-60159 JohnD Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:33:29 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60159 I would ask you this, if Novell is just an MS shill these days - why is there still a pending lawsuit between them? http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20041115070558892#ref00 How much I know or don't know is not at issue here. What's at issue is how to help Linux succeed in the market. Novell is the only big name company with a long term rep that's truly supporting Linux from stem to stern. They've dumped Windows and Office from as many machines as they can, and documented how they did it along with issues and solutions for the whole world to see. Novell realizes that if there are no popular applications running on Linux - they will fail. It happened to Netware, OS/2, etc. MS will sing that song long and loud. Mono can be used as a stepping stone to be used against MS. Once the issue of patents and Linux infringement on MS IP is put to rest - then the community can write software to convert from Mono to something else. You slam both sides and divide the community at the same time. That's the fast track to a MS win. I would ask you this, if Novell is just an MS shill these days – why is there still a pending lawsuit between them?
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20041115070558892#ref00
How much I know or don’t know is not at issue here. What’s at issue is how to help Linux succeed in the market.
Novell is the only big name company with a long term rep that’s truly supporting Linux from stem to stern. They’ve dumped Windows and Office from as many machines as they can, and documented how they did it along with issues and solutions for the whole world to see. Novell realizes that if there are no popular applications running on Linux – they will fail. It happened to Netware, OS/2, etc. MS will sing that song long and loud. Mono can be used as a stepping stone to be used against MS. Once the issue of patents and Linux infringement on MS IP is put to rest – then the community can write software to convert from Mono to something else. You slam both sides and divide the community at the same time. That’s the fast track to a MS win.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-3/#comment-60155 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:19:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60155 How much do you know about, e.g. Mono and patents? How much do you know about, e.g. Mono and patents?

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-3/#comment-60154 JohnD Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:12:48 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60154 Novell depends on all of it's customers and I have been paying attention. "For the quarter, Novell reported net revenue of $215 million." The little tidbit you left out - the MS payment was a little more than 10% of it's total revenue for the quarter - by extension just under 90% of it's money came from someplace else. You are so focused on finding all the potential bad things about Novell that you're missing the biggest opportunity. MS is most likely using the deal to try to screw the community, but by doing so they've left themselves open. MS has money and mind share right now due to it's monopoly. The only way you can change the money and mind share is by eroding it's market share. The only way to do that is to get people to switch to something else. You can use the Novell/MS deal like sledgehammer, not against Novell, but against MS. Tomtom is FUD plain and simple, and sadly it will work given the stupidity of most corporate managers. I'll bet that MS will offer to settle out of court in the interest of saving money (but really trying to gain the appearance of victory)- or they will drag it out forever. Either way the damage will be done. If you use Novell products (at least in part) you take away the MS bite. For example: Use SLES and mono to serve up content for applications to non-sled clients? That would make for one interesting legal argument wouldn't it? Novell depends on all of it’s customers and I have been paying attention.
“For the quarter, Novell reported net revenue of $215 million.”
The little tidbit you left out – the MS payment was a little more than 10% of it’s total revenue for the quarter – by extension just under 90% of it’s money came from someplace else.
You are so focused on finding all the potential bad things about Novell that you’re missing the biggest opportunity. MS is most likely using the deal to try to screw the community, but by doing so they’ve left themselves open. MS has money and mind share right now due to it’s monopoly. The only way you can change the money and mind share is by eroding it’s market share. The only way to do that is to get people to switch to something else. You can use the Novell/MS deal like sledgehammer, not against Novell, but against MS.
Tomtom is FUD plain and simple, and sadly it will work given the stupidity of most corporate managers. I’ll bet that MS will offer to settle out of court in the interest of saving money (but really trying to gain the appearance of victory)- or they will drag it out forever. Either way the damage will be done. If you use Novell products (at least in part) you take away the MS bite. For example: Use SLES and mono to serve up content for applications to non-sled clients? That would make for one interesting legal argument wouldn’t it?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-2/#comment-60151 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:08:03 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60151 Novell CFO: "We incurred 8 million of restructuring charges in the first quarter most of which represented a continuation of our 2008 restructuring activities and we expect to incur 5 million to 7 million of charges in the second quarter. We are still evaluating what additional charges we may incur in the second half of fiscal 2009. Total headcount at the end of the quarter was approximately 3900, down from approximately 4000 in the prior quarter. [...] We are still evaluating what additional charges we may incur in the second half of fiscal 2009. [...] This quarter's cash flow included a $25 million payment from Microsoft for the first tranche of our extended agreement." http://seekingalpha.com/article/123039-novell-inc-f1q09-qtr-end-01-31-09-earnings-call-transcript?source=yahoo&page=8 Novell depends on Microsoft and there are layoffs coming. If you don't know why the Microsoft dependency is bad, then you have not been paying attention. Novell CFO: “We incurred 8 million of restructuring charges in the first quarter most of which represented a continuation of our 2008 restructuring activities and we expect to incur 5 million to 7 million of charges in the second quarter. We are still evaluating what additional charges we may incur in the second half of fiscal 2009. Total headcount at the end of the quarter was approximately 3900, down from approximately 4000 in the prior quarter. [...] We are still evaluating what additional charges we may incur in the second half of fiscal 2009. [...] This quarter’s cash flow included a $25 million payment from Microsoft for the first tranche of our extended agreement.”

http://seekingalpha.com/article/123039-novell-inc-f1q09-qtr-end-01-31-09-earnings-call-transcript?source=yahoo&page=8

Novell depends on Microsoft and there are layoffs coming. If you don’t know why the Microsoft dependency is bad, then you have not been paying attention.

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-2/#comment-60149 JohnD Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:01:49 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60149 I agree Dan. AMD has some self inflicted wounds and the economy is not helping. I find it interesting that you hammer on Novell's sliding stock price and workforce cuts even though every other company out there (even ones in far better shape ie MS) are doing the same thing. I agree Dan.
AMD has some self inflicted wounds and the economy is not helping. I find it interesting that you hammer on Novell’s sliding stock price and workforce cuts even though every other company out there (even ones in far better shape ie MS) are doing the same thing.

]]> By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-2/#comment-60139 Dan O'Brian Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:11:45 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60139 Just the other week you wanted to kick Novell out of the Linux community, now that they are pulling out of developing some things, you attack them for what you wanted them to do the other week? They just can't make you happy even if they take your advice, huh? Just the other week you wanted to kick Novell out of the Linux community, now that they are pulling out of developing some things, you attack them for what you wanted them to do the other week?

They just can’t make you happy even if they take your advice, huh?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-2/#comment-60137 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:56:58 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60137 There's more news coming from AMD (maybe tonight). It's not good. There’s more news coming from AMD (maybe tonight). It’s not good.

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-2/#comment-60134 JohnD Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:33:12 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60134 Also there's this link: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/09/05/1328225.shtml Perhaps this is why Novell is cutting development? Would it make sense for a cash strapped company to duplicate development efforts of the hardware manufacturer? If you really want to make points that stick - you need to research both sides of the story. Also there’s this link:
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/09/05/1328225.shtml
Perhaps this is why Novell is cutting development? Would it make sense for a cash strapped company to duplicate development efforts of the hardware manufacturer?
If you really want to make points that stick – you need to research both sides of the story.

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-1/#comment-60132 JohnD Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:08:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60132 But in the above post you state that you "suspected" it was false. So you either thought the post may have been incorrect, or you didn't. Pick one. But in the above post you state that you “suspected” it was false. So you either thought the post may have been incorrect, or you didn’t.
Pick one.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-1/#comment-60129 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:53:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60129 <blockquote> So you post things that you think might be false? What’s the point? </blockquote> I didn't know that it was wrong. Shamar makes good comments in LT, so I thought he was right. It is actually true that the Mono part which GNOME Do depends on is funded by Microsoft/Novell. Mono dependency is <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/21/threat-of-mono-basis/" rel="nofollow">a dangerous thing</a>.

So you post things that you think might be false? What’s the point?

I didn’t know that it was wrong. Shamar makes good comments in LT, so I thought he was right. It is actually true that the Mono part which GNOME Do depends on is funded by Microsoft/Novell.

Mono dependency is a dangerous thing.

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-1/#comment-60128 JohnD Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:46:32 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60128 So you post things that you think might be false? What's the point? While we're at it, what's the point of this site? According to your posts Novell is doomed and nothing can save it now. So do you feel the need to drive more nails in the coffin? Pour salt in the wounds? So you post things that you think might be false? What’s the point?
While we’re at it, what’s the point of this site? According to your posts Novell is doomed and nothing can save it now. So do you feel the need to drive more nails in the coffin? Pour salt in the wounds?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-1/#comment-60126 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:57:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60126 It was a quote, not a statement that I made, and I suspected it was fallacious but wasn't sure. I'll remove that quote. It was a quote, not a statement that I made, and I suspected it was fallacious but wasn’t sure. I’ll remove that quote.

]]> By: David http://techrights.org/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/comment-page-1/#comment-60125 David Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:32:19 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/novell-lays-off-radeonhd-luc/#comment-60125 Hello, my name is David Siegel, and I am the founder and maintainer of GNOME Do. GNOME Do is not financed by Novell or Microsoft -- please correct the inaccuracy in your article. Thank you, David Hello, my name is David Siegel, and I am the founder and maintainer of GNOME Do. GNOME Do is not financed by Novell or Microsoft — please correct the inaccuracy in your article.

Thank you,
David

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