03.25.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 24th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:14 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz	It’s quite major	Mar 24 15:12
_Hicham_	providing binary compatibility for existing programs eases the transition	Mar 24 15:12
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Omar87	Hi	Mar 24 15:13
_Hicham_	hi Omar87	Mar 24 15:13
schestowitz	Read the CNET article. Maybe if you give opinions…	Mar 24 15:15
schestowitz	It’s coming right out of Microsoft	Mar 24 15:16
schestowitz	They passed it to the puppet Ina Fried to publish and promote	Mar 24 15:16
Omar87	_Hicham_: Hey	Mar 24 15:18
schestowitz	What’s up, Omar87?	Mar 24 15:19
schestowitz	Someone mailed me a cartoon I want to show you. I don’t know the source	Mar 24 15:20
Omar87	schestowitz: nothin’	Mar 24 15:20
Omar87	schestowitz: http://blog.internetnews.com/sker…	Mar 24 15:20
Omar87	schestowitz: Too bad this thing is sponsored by Novell though.. -_-	Mar 24 15:21
schestowitz	It’s IDC	Mar 24 15:21
schestowitz	Microsoft puppet mostly	Mar 24 15:21
schestowitz	paid-to-say lackeys	Mar 24 15:22
schestowitz	Mostly anti-Linux comes from them	Mar 24 15:22
schestowitz	And Novell feeds them	Mar 24 15:22
schestowitz	Omar87: read http://boycottnovell.com/2009… and http://www.itwire.com/content/vi…	Mar 24 15:22
schestowitz	What will it be with Dell’s Linux phones (rumours)? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6…	Mar 24 15:25
Omar87	schestowitz: But, did you read what the link I gave you says?	Mar 24 15:26
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Omar87	It’s full of optimism about Linux taking over the server and desktop industries this year after this economic downturn.	Mar 24 15:28
Eruaran	hello	Mar 24 15:28
Omar87	Eruaran: Hey	Mar 24 15:28
Eruaran	I see TomTom joined the OIN	Mar 24 15:29
Eruaran	This is potentially where things get really interesting	Mar 24 15:29
_Hicham_	Linux will take over the market	Mar 24 15:31
MinceR	unless m$ can make it illegal or something	Mar 24 15:33
MinceR	it depends on how they use their money before they die	Mar 24 15:33
_Hicham_	no they can’t	Mar 24 15:33
Eruaran	One commenter on Computerworld’s reporting of it said, “Microsoft: The biggest corporate train wreck in history. It’s fun to watch.”	Mar 24 15:33
_Hicham_	Linux is strong with the GPL	Mar 24 15:34
MinceR	(how much of it is used to bribe people and whom they choose to bribe, stuff like that)	Mar 24 15:34
Eruaran	Cant bribe everybody. Time’s up for that sort of thing I think.	Mar 24 15:38
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php… important start… for articles indexing	Mar 24 15:40
schestowitz	Omar87: yes, I saw that	Mar 24 15:40
schestowitz	It’s paid for (the ‘study’)	Mar 24 15:40
schestowitz	They state the obvious	Mar 24 15:41
schestowitz	And when Microsoft pays then, they deny the obvious	Mar 24 15:41
schestowitz	Hi, Eruaran	Mar 24 15:41
schestowitz	I mentioned Mono and KDE	Mar 24 15:41
_Hicham_	Roy : u r doing a good job on the website	Mar 24 15:41
schestowitz	Thanks, _Hicham_	Mar 24 15:42
Eruaran	Hi Roy	Mar 24 15:42
schestowitz	A journalist has just linked to the Wiki	Mar 24 15:42
schestowitz	because we sort of ‘unveiled’ this last night	Mar 24 15:42
schestowitz	It was only mentioned in comments/IRC before	Mar 24 15:42
Omar87	lol, okay guys listen to this joke.	Mar 24 15:48
*Eruaran listens		Mar 24 15:49
Omar87	A friend of mine at college gave an Ubuntu CD to one of his mates, who bare know what Linux is.	Mar 24 15:49
Eruaran	go on	Mar 24 15:50
Omar87	Today, this guy, supposedly a CS student.. Started complaining that Ubuntu nearly trashed his Vista installation.	Mar 24 15:50
Eruaran	?	Mar 24 15:51
Omar87	His story was that, after he successfully installed and started Ubuntu, he then wanted to get back to Vista.	Mar 24 15:51
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tacone	http://www.microsoft.com/web/	Mar 24 15:52
Omar87	After he the reboot, the grub showed three things: Vista, His laptop’s Recovery system and Ubuntu.	Mar 24 15:52
Eruaran	So what was his problem ?	Mar 24 15:53
Omar87	By mistake, chose to start the Recovery System instead of Vista, so after realizing that, he quickly stopped it and then rebooted the machine..	Mar 24 15:53
MinceR	and ubuntu did it.	Mar 24 15:54
Omar87	Which trashed grub but didn’t harm Vista..	Mar 24 15:54
tacone	also WIMP became WIMPS	Mar 24 15:54
Omar87	This is where the joke it.	Mar 24 15:54
tacone	(as in Silverlight)	Mar 24 15:54
Omar87	is*	Mar 24 15:54
MinceR	isn’t WIMP Window, Icon, Menu, Pointer or something like that?	Mar 24 15:55
tacone	depends	Mar 24 15:55
tacone	Windows Iis Mysql Php Silverlight	Mar 24 15:55
Omar87	This guy, who’s a CS student, shamelessly blurts out a stupid pointless excuse for not giving Ubuntu a try..	Mar 24 15:55
Omar87	Three words: “Fear..of..change”	Mar 24 15:56
Eruaran	Thats it ?	Mar 24 15:56
Omar87	That’s it.	Mar 24 15:56
Eruaran	And he’s a CS student ?	Mar 24 15:56
Omar87	Eruaran: somehow.. yes!	Mar 24 15:56
Omar87	Eruaran: Just to tell you how pathetic thing are.. here in Jordan.. -_-	Mar 24 15:57
Omar87	things*	Mar 24 15:57
Eruaran	He would do well to realise Linux will be around long after Vista is long gone.	Mar 24 15:58
Eruaran	And he’d never get a job where I work.	Mar 24 15:58
Omar87	Eruaran: Yeah, he would, but, what can you say..	Mar 24 15:58
Omar87	brb	Mar 24 15:59
Eruaran	If he wants a job when he leaves uni, he’d better pull his head out of his proverbial.	Mar 24 15:59
Eruaran	And get a clue as well	Mar 24 15:59
_Hicham_	all of my mates don’t use Linux	Mar 24 16:00
_Hicham_	I am the only one to use Linux in class	Mar 24 16:00
_Hicham_	I look strange to them	Mar 24 16:00
_Hicham_	a professor who was teaching us during OS Lab, comes to me and asked to install Linux for her	Mar 24 16:01
_Hicham_	because she never installed Linux	Mar 24 16:01
_Hicham_	and she told me : so I need samba to access my existing Windows partitions?	Mar 24 16:01
_Hicham_	and really, I couldn’t answer her, because she’s my professor and I respect her a lot	Mar 24 16:02
_Hicham_	all of my mates who want to try Linux comes to me and say : ” In Linux, everything is done via CLI?”	Mar 24 16:03
_Hicham_	and I don’t really know how to answer	Mar 24 16:03
_Hicham_	and those CS students	Mar 24 16:03
_Hicham_	and those are CS students	Mar 24 16:04
Eruaran	Call them idiots and walk away	Mar 24 16:04
schestowitz	A journalist has just mailed us for comment	Mar 24 16:05
_Hicham_	about what Roy?	Mar 24 16:05
tacone	schestowitz: ?	Mar 24 16:06
tacone	about ms web ?	Mar 24 16:06
tacone	if so you can’t tell them is a nice move from microsoft. as for the intent, is multiple. Spreading silverlight, appeal ms-lazysysadmins, make good pr, get revenue from future payfor apps, etc.	Mar 24 16:07
tacone	err can	Mar 24 16:07
schestowitz	Hey	Mar 24 16:10
*schestowitz catches up		Mar 24 16:10
tacone	lol	Mar 24 16:10
_Hicham_	Roy : where r u ?	Mar 24 16:11
schestowitz	_Hicham_: about SUSE Enterprise Desktop 11	Mar 24 16:12
schestowitz	SL[GNU/inux]ED 11	Mar 24 16:12
tacone	oh	Mar 24 16:12
_Hicham_	what about it?	Mar 24 16:13
Omar87	_Hicham_: So, where are you from?	Mar 24 16:14
_Hicham_	I am from Morocco	Mar 24 16:14
Omar87	_Hicham_: Cool!	Mar 24 16:15
Omar87	Ya know guys:	Mar 24 16:17
Omar87	?	Mar 24 16:17
Omar87	I believe that the FOSS community should consider adding more incentives for programmers and developers.	Mar 24 16:19
tacone	FOSS community right now only cares about Moms and nerds.	Mar 24 16:19
Omar87	And by that, I mean stuff like world-wide programming contests and stuff..	Mar 24 16:19
Omar87	Moms and nerds?	Mar 24 16:20
MinceR	programmers are developers and developers are nerds	Mar 24 16:20
tacone	yes. mom and nerds.	Mar 24 16:20
Omar87	What do you mean?	Mar 24 16:20
tacone	there are many types of developers	Mar 24 16:20
tacone	there are good developers who could really care less about how to package a .deb	Mar 24 16:20
tacone	or how to use vim.	Mar 24 16:20
tacone	if you get what I mean.	Mar 24 16:20
MinceR	what makes them good?	Mar 24 16:21
tacone	Linux lacks IDES and easy to use dev-tools	Mar 24 16:21
MinceR	IDEs are overrated	Mar 24 16:21
tacone	lol	Mar 24 16:22
tacone	right.	Mar 24 16:22
Omar87	overrated?	Mar 24 16:22
MinceR	and Logo is an easy to use “dev-tool”, they should give that a try if they’re afraid of doing actual work.	Mar 24 16:22
schestowitz	What’s wrong with Eclipse?	Mar 24 16:22
schestowitz	In the news today: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/… http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/artic…	Mar 24 16:23
Omar87	By the way, speaking of div tool. Our Database instructor told us about at a program that we might be using in the project..	Mar 24 16:23
schestowitz	There is no GNU IDE	Mar 24 16:23
schestowitz	Not one that’s rich	Mar 24 16:23
schestowitz	But there’s no lack of IDEs for GNU/Linux	Mar 24 16:23
schestowitz	Qt Lab….	Mar 24 16:23
MinceR	a couple of things are wrong with eclipse	Mar 24 16:23
MinceR	starting with the GUI design tool that just can’t be made to work	Mar 24 16:24
Omar87	The program transforms ER diagrams into code. However, I don’t think this thing has any sort of support for Linux.	Mar 24 16:24
_Hicham_	Eclipse is Great for Java	Mar 24 16:24
MinceR	and continuing with the soul-killing process of installing components to eclipse	Mar 24 16:24
_Hicham_	Qt/Kdevelop great for KDE and lot more stuff	Mar 24 16:24
Omar87	_Hicham_: CodeBlocks is good for C++.	Mar 24 16:24
_Hicham_	Anjuta is super great for creating Gnome projects	Mar 24 16:25
_Hicham_	CodeBlocks is good also	Mar 24 16:25
MinceR	gvim is better than all others for all of those tasks	Mar 24 16:25
_Hicham_	so there is a lot of choice	Mar 24 16:25
_Hicham_	gvim is a master also	Mar 24 16:25
_Hicham_	with all the plugins and syntax highlighting	Mar 24 16:25
_Hicham_	gedit	Mar 24 16:25
Omar87	I also heard, Dia is good for ER-Diagraming.	Mar 24 16:26
_Hicham_	plus developing in Linux is a lot easy than windows	Mar 24 16:26
_Hicham_	Dia, Umbrello	Mar 24 16:26
schestowitz	Red Hat shares up on speculation of Oracle deal < http://www.reuters.com/article/i… >	Mar 24 16:26
_Hicham_	Diagramming and code generation also	Mar 24 16:26
tacone	the only entity developing a polished IDE these days seems novell itself, with MonoDevelop.	Mar 24 16:26
Omar87	_Hicham_: Yeah, but.. tell that to my mates over here..	Mar 24 16:26
_Hicham_	Quanta for Web Development	Mar 24 16:27
_Hicham_	MonoDevelop is good but only for .NET	Mar 24 16:27
_Hicham_	but I don’t like .NET	Mar 24 16:27
schestowitz	“Investors have long speculated that software giant Oracle would one day buy Red Hat, which sells subscriptions to maintain services for its version of the open-source Linux operating system.”	Mar 24 16:27
_Hicham_	they can’t buy Red Hat	Mar 24 16:28
_Hicham_	RedHat have a stable place in the Market	Mar 24 16:28
schestowitz	That won’t happen	Mar 24 16:31
schestowitz	But then again, Red Hat is only obliged to shareholders, not to “community”	Mar 24 16:31
schestowitz	And with Sun at risk of being devoured, who the heck the knows…..	Mar 24 16:32
tacone	still, RH is a big linux contributor.	Mar 24 16:33
_Hicham_	Sun is not like RedHat	Mar 24 16:37
_Hicham_	RedHat have a strong community	Mar 24 16:37
_Hicham_	Sun failed to open source Java	Mar 24 16:37
tacone	uh	Mar 24 16:38
tacone	is wordpress gpl 2 and not 3 ? shame !	Mar 24 16:38
_Hicham_	I don’t know about WordPress	Mar 24 16:41
schestowitz	tacone: I lobbies WP	Mar 24 16:41
schestowitz	*lobbied	Mar 24 16:41
schestowitz	A year ago, to move to GPLv3	Mar 24 16:41
tacone	schestowitz: and … ?	Mar 24 16:42
schestowitz	http://comox.textdrive.com/piperm…	Mar 24 16:42
schestowitz	Thread here: http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp…	Mar 24 16:42
tacone	nothing done	Mar 24 16:45
tacone	there’s not information on licenses accepted on that store	Mar 24 16:47
schestowitz	Push them some more	Mar 24 16:50
schestowitz	I’ve done what I could. RMS knows about it also..	Mar 24 16:50
schestowitz	PetoKraus: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-… ( Virgin eyes 150Mb broadband speed )	Mar 24 16:51
tacone	for what is worth: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/microso…	Mar 24 16:59
_Hicham_	some thing that MSVC is excellent at is code completion	Mar 24 17:01
_Hicham_	Eclipse is also good on Java	Mar 24 17:01
_Hicham_	but for C and C++, MSVC is superior	Mar 24 17:01
schestowitz	So Dell is still at it: Michael Dell Hints at Smartphones, Mobile Internet Devices < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161827/michae… >	Mar 24 17:06
trmanco	try emacs or netbeans	Mar 24 17:06
trmanco	or vim	Mar 24 17:07
schestowitz	:-S Not enough to check… do: http://techdirt.com/articles/2009… (US Trade Rep Promises To Review Transparency Policies)	Mar 24 17:07
schestowitz	I developed mostly with nedit, kate, glade, other tools. I rejected IDEs	Mar 24 17:08
schestowitz	Even the MATLAB IDE is not worth it.	Mar 24 17:08
trmanco	I like IDE’s because of it’s code completion	Mar 24 17:09
schestowitz	So Much For That Plan: Google CIO Doesn’t Even Last A Year At EMI < http://techdirt.com/articles/2… >	Mar 24 17:09
schestowitz	Can you help me find more PI-MS connections? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn… http://www.google.com/search?q=sit…	Mar 24 17:09
schestowitz	I found Google’s accusations from 2007, but nothing else.	Mar 24 17:09
schestowitz	trmanco: true. Kate does that too (KDevelop)	Mar 24 17:10
trmanco	snippets are useful too	Mar 24 17:10
trmanco	brb	Mar 24 17:10
schestowitz	You don’t need an IDE for Kate parts…. also, it has a CLI with translucency integrated at the bottom… file browser, rabbing…	Mar 24 17:10
ushimitsudoki	WingWare make a nice Python IDE. It is a commercial product, but if you are using it for an open-source project, it is available no-charge.	Mar 24 17:10
schestowitz	*tabbing	Mar 24 17:10
schestowitz	ushimitsudoki: many editors go Free	Mar 24 17:11
schestowitz	I last noticed one last week.	Mar 24 17:11
tacone	no charge ? I didn’t know that.	Mar 24 17:11
schestowitz	Kate addresses most needs	Mar 24 17:11
schestowitz	KWrite is good when you need multiple sessions of text editing.	Mar 24 17:12
tacone	i am just using Eric this days. not perfect, but at least workable	Mar 24 17:12
schestowitz	But…. KATE has no inline spellchecker! Very big loss.	Mar 24 17:12
schestowitz	Even KNode has inline spellchecker	Mar 24 17:12
ushimitsudoki	tacone: yes, you have to send them you project information. it is very simple and takes about a day to get back a code. I looked a long time for a very good python IDE, and WingIDE was the best I found. The best open-source python IDE was Komodo Edit.	Mar 24 17:12
tacone	wow.	Mar 24 17:12
ushimitsudoki	for my needs anyway. if you need a python-specific IDE for an open source project, I highly recommend giving it a look	Mar 24 17:13
tacone	I even have a project to submit. I’ll try maybe. WW always looked good to me.	Mar 24 17:13
Omar87	ushimitsudoki: Regarding Wingware, if I tell them I’ll be working on a Python-based open source web app, they might give it to me for free?	Mar 24 17:15
tacone	Omar87: http://www.wingware.com/store/prices	Mar 24 17:15
tacone	read the bottom of the page.	Mar 24 17:15
ushimitsudoki	Omar87: http://wingware.net/store/prices	Mar 24 17:15
ushimitsudoki	ah yeah	Mar 24 17:15
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ushimitsudoki	I had a small GPLv3 project up with a couple of source releases, and they hooked me right up.	Mar 24 17:16
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*schestowitz just realise what “RT” stands for http://www.brentozar.com/ar… (other than Ray Tracing)		Mar 24 17:23
schestowitz	Has anybody tried Zenwalk?	Mar 24 17:26
schestowitz	It has just received a negative review from a KDE user: Zenwalk 6.0: Not Quite Ready < http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=252 >. He doesn’t like GNOME BTW	Mar 24 17:26
trmanco	schestowitz, I recommended it to a friend of mine	Mar 24 17:27
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vlt	hi all. in which way do you guys boycott novell?	Mar 24 17:29
kentma	it’s in the subjunctive, like “long live the king”.	Mar 24 17:29
kentma	ie., it’s an expression of desire – the subtitling is probably of more direct interest	Mar 24 17:30
vlt	do you reject to use any software that contains parts of code by novell inside?	Mar 24 17:31
kentma	you’re not really asking the right questions here…	Mar 24 17:31
kentma	it’s more about software patent risk, that kind of thing.	Mar 24 17:31
vlt	‘m just asking what’s interesting to me	Mar 24 17:31
vlt	which are the right questions to you?	Mar 24 17:32
kentma	as I just said, it’s about patent risk and such like really	Mar 24 17:34
schestowitz	Oracle is not buying Red Hat < http://blogs.computerworld.com/or… >. Please pass on to stop the rumours.	Mar 24 17:34
schestowitz	Hi, vlt	Mar 24 17:34
vlt	hi	Mar 24 17:34
schestowitz	vlt: what is your relationship with SUSE is any?	Mar 24 17:35
vlt	i tried opensuse at once	Mar 24 17:35
schestowitz	I see.	Mar 24 17:35
vlt	this summer	Mar 24 17:35
schestowitz	What do you use now?	Mar 24 17:35
vlt	and removed it right away	Mar 24 17:35
vlt	windows at home, mandriva at work	Mar 24 17:35
schestowitz	I heard the party line at first, so I was curious	Mar 24 17:36
schestowitz	I’m on Mandriva on my main box too	Mar 24 17:36
schestowitz	Novell loves to say that you can’t boycott Novell	Mar 24 17:36
schestowitz	They have a lot of marketing, PR muscle that’s hard to counter due to scale.	Mar 24 17:36
vlt	) i actually signed that petition in the internet	Mar 24 17:36
_Hicham_	Roy : Novell is a big contributor to Kernel	Mar 24 17:37
kentma	I’m more debian & ubuntu, although I’ve got a couple of maemo devices (debian really), and a linups acer aa1	Mar 24 17:37
vlt	and to openoffice	Mar 24 17:37
_Hicham_	Greg Kroah-Hartman is working for Novell	Mar 24 17:37
vlt	i think that novell is just a starting platform for m$ to start screwing linux	Mar 24 17:38
vlt	and they actually don’t screw it directly through novell	Mar 24 17:38
_Hicham_	Novell has contributed a lot to the kernel?	Mar 24 17:42
schestowitz	vlt: yes, that’s the plan	Mar 24 17:42
schestowitz	Make another ‘Linux;	Mar 24 17:42
schestowitz	Then move users to it	Mar 24 17:42
schestowitz	Or pollute other distros	Mar 24 17:42
schestowitz	They already pollute Ubuntu with Mono	Mar 24 17:42
vlt	noo, not like that at all	Mar 24 17:42
vlt	it’s enough to steal leading developers and architects	Mar 24 17:43
schestowitz	Like who?	Mar 24 17:43
schestowitz	Novell lost some key devs	Mar 24 17:44
schestowitz	it also sacked many recently.	Mar 24 17:44
schestowitz	20% of the SUSE devs, more to come.	Mar 24 17:44
schestowitz	It also release SLE11 prematurely	Mar 24 17:44
schestowitz	It shows… they just aren’t too serious	Mar 24 17:44
vlt	their first opensuse release with kde4 wasn’t serious at all	Mar 24 17:45
kentma	I think they’re just running out of money, to be honest.	Mar 24 17:45
kentma	there was a piece up recently somewhere indicating that almost no major businesses had agreed to buy ”licences” or whatever they were for Linux.	Mar 24 17:45
kentma	Personally, I know of one where it was stopped, but I can’t say who or what happened.	Mar 24 17:45
vlt	why should they, they can always avoid to buy but rather use smth that’s free of charge concerning linux	Mar 24 17:46
kentma	ah, the deal offered amounted to a discount, so it was compelling.	Mar 24 17:47
schestowitz	Short-term gain	Mar 24 17:47
schestowitz	If Novell is bought this year, which is possible, many of these customers will move to Red hat	Mar 24 17:48
schestowitz	It’s already happening	Mar 24 17:48
schestowitz	I’ve read somewhere that some of those contracts with MS/Novell were dropped (not renewed), so Centos/RHT seems possible.	Mar 24 17:48
schestowitz	Companies are actually SHY to announce Novell contracts	Mar 24 17:48
schestowitz	Same with Oracle	Mar 24 17:48
schestowitz	They got SLAMMED if their customers found out that they ditched Red Hat for Oracle’s ropoff	Mar 24 17:49
schestowitz	*ripoff	Mar 24 17:49
schestowitz	The only ones really announcing the move to SUSE and Waltham MA and Redmond WA	Mar 24 17:49
schestowitz	Looks at this rubbish.. hilarious: http://www.moreinterop.com/	Mar 24 17:51
schestowitz	http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/200… “Thousands of videos disappeared,” Fred von Lohmann, an attorney for the Internet civil liberties group Electronic Frontier Foundation, told the Times. “Either they turned off the audio, or they pulled the video.” Their loss.	Mar 24 17:53
schestowitz	“Major media companies are increasingly lobbying Google to elevate their expensive professional content within the search engine’s undifferentiated slush of results.” http://adage.com/mediaworks/artic…	Mar 24 17:55
schestowitz	bbl	Mar 24 17:59
vlt	hey, we didn’t yet watch the first video to the end	Mar 24 17:59
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vlt	steve ballmer likes to exclamate and tell plenty of words i see. nothing exact about the end result though	Mar 24 18:14
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balzac	hello	Mar 24 18:32
balzac	I just wrote a nicely-worded scare letter (sincere, not deceptive or manipulative) to my contact inside a financial services company.	Mar 24 18:32
balzac	heheh	Mar 24 18:32
balzac	It was fun to write and I’m hoping it will get me in the door for some consulting.	Mar 24 18:33
balzac	Watch out, turbulence ahead for customers of certain lame software vendors.	Mar 24 18:33
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Omar87	So, can we say that MS’s “EEE” tactics are still going on until now?	Mar 24 18:42
Omar87	“EEE” = “Embrace, Extend and Extinguish”	Mar 24 18:44
tacone	Microsoft explicitly stated its renewed interest for standards compliance won’t affect they’re extending strategy.	Mar 24 18:45
tacone	zomg. bad grammar.	Mar 24 18:46
Omar87	“their extending strategy”?	Mar 24 18:47
tacone	yes.	Mar 24 18:47
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benJIman	Wow there’s some epicly misleading posts on boy today.	Mar 24 19:17
PetoKraus	go share	Mar 24 19:18
benJIman	http://boycottnovell.com/200… “lolwhut”	Mar 24 19:18
benJIman	Apparently there’s some problem with it being under GPL compatible licences, some of which are less restrictive than the GPL.	Mar 24 19:18
benJIman	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… “someone told us that someone is doing something that someone thinks might be something todo with microsoft .net”	Mar 24 19:19
PetoKraus	oh well	Mar 24 19:21
schestowitz	I asked a senior at Red Hat about Oracle (takeover rumours). He said: “I cannot comment on these sorts of rumors.”	Mar 24 19:55
trmanco	hehe http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kern… who wan’t tuz on Ubuntu?	Mar 24 19:56
trmanco	wants*	Mar 24 19:56
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schestowitz	BN is keeping exceptionally high # of visitors this week and I really don’t know where they come from.	Mar 24 20:42
trmanco	so, anyone here like cars?	Mar 24 20:46
schestowitz	Vista7: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… >	Mar 24 20:47
schestowitz	What’s w/ with word “zealot”? http://feeds.pcworld.com/click.phdo… “Look, I have put my faith in OS X since 2003, but I’m not one of those Mac zealots who think that Macs are infallible.”	Mar 24 20:50
schestowitz	Sun does not support Solaris??? …Nor GNU/Linux http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… “But that number could have been higher if JavaFX had shipped with support for Linux or Sun’s own Solaris operating systems. JavaFX currently supports only Windows and Mac. Sun says Linux and Solaris support will surface this year.”	Mar 24 20:55
schestowitz	“The Boycott Novell people maintain that she “always gets it wrong on Red Hat.” We’ll see if she hit the jackpot this time.” http://www.linux-magazine.com/onli… She’s not. Red Hat denies it.	Mar 24 20:55
schestowitz	Biden poisoned the US DOJ with his buddy from MAFIAA: http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2045 (Say it ain’t so: Justice Department Run by Former Content Industry Lawyers Sides with Content Industry)	Mar 24 21:06
schestowitz	UK Police is trying to divide people, suppressing organisation and turning all to strangers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… “A new ad campaign by the Metropolitan Police warns the public to be on the alert for strangers who look at them in a funny way, and to check the contents of their neighbours’ bins.”	Mar 24 21:14
schestowitz	UK ambassador says: Terrorist Scare No. 372 Bollocks < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk… >	Mar 24 21:15
trmanco	http://bit.ly/10sFSK	Mar 24 21:18
trmanco	http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/web…	Mar 24 21:21
schestowitz	OGL FTW!	Mar 24 21:26
MinceR	Open Gaming License ftw, indeed	Mar 24 21:26
MinceR	but 3d graphics don’t belong on the web	Mar 24 21:27
schestowitz	In that former link the guys is feeding an IDG TROLL	Mar 24 21:27
MinceR	i want a web that doesn’t make a render farm necessary for browsing	Mar 24 21:28
trmanco	MinceR, soon we weill have a “render farm” at home	Mar 24 21:29
trmanco	will*	Mar 24 21:29
MinceR	and in our pockets?	Mar 24 21:29
MinceR	one for each tab?	Mar 24 21:29
trmanco	haha, maybe	Mar 24 21:29
MinceR	what if i’d like to use that computing power for something other than reading a few paragraphs of text?	Mar 24 21:29
MinceR	i really hate the way the web is bloated now	Mar 24 21:30
trmanco	just block it	Mar 24 21:30
MinceR	i think i’m going to move to ff3 and use noscript extensively	Mar 24 21:30
trmanco	still on FF2?	Mar 24 21:30
MinceR	i still wonder what i can do about the 23947928374 layers of PNGs with alpha channels	Mar 24 21:30
MinceR	on opera	Mar 24 21:30
trmanco	ah ok	Mar 24 21:30
MinceR	and i have to realize that opera still does quite a few things a lot better than ff	Mar 24 21:31
schestowitz	More open source bullS*. http://tech.slashdot.org/article…. nicely tagged openyourbankaccount	Mar 24 21:31
trmanco	like what?	Mar 24 21:31
schestowitz	^ It’s not open source	Mar 24 21:31
MinceR	for example i can save all bookmarks, one bookmark folder or selected bookmarks to files in 2 formats	Mar 24 21:31
schestowitz	MinceR: NoScript	Mar 24 21:31
schestowitz	Too much XSS	Mar 24 21:32
trmanco	schestowitz, but it does comply with the standards	Mar 24 21:32
schestowitz	People assume powerful PCs	Mar 24 21:32
MinceR	though neither opera nor ff will save to XBEL	Mar 24 21:32
schestowitz	So they run loads of stuff on pages	Mar 24 21:32
MinceR	i’ve found a nice extension i can save XBEL with under ff3, though	Mar 24 21:32
schestowitz	Even comments now require JS	Mar 24 21:32
trmanco	MinceR, html and what more?	Mar 24 21:32
MinceR	(i can do so under ff2 with another extension and ridiculous hackage)	Mar 24 21:32
MinceR	trmanco: opera hotlist	Mar 24 21:32
MinceR	SiteBar seems to handle opera hotlist better than netscape (html)	Mar 24 21:32
trmanco	that proprietary isn’t it?	Mar 24 21:33
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 24 21:33
schestowitz	But nice people	Mar 24 21:33
schestowitz	Linux users	Mar 24 21:33
schestowitz	Many people in Opera use GNU/Linux	Mar 24 21:33
schestowitz	In Mozilla it’s Macs	Mar 24 21:33
MinceR	yes, that’s why i was reluctant to go back to opera	Mar 24 21:34
MinceR	but in the end i caved in	Mar 24 21:34
MinceR	currently i’m fed up with opera	Mar 24 21:34
MinceR	i’ve heard ff3 is a lot better	Mar 24 21:34
trmanco	MinceR, FF 3 is getting old	Mar 24 21:35
MinceR	who knows, maybe someone will eventually code a browser that doesn’t suck	Mar 24 21:35
trmanco	it’s to much to fit everthing into a single browser	Mar 24 21:35
MinceR	for the time being, i’m moving some functionality out of the browser into webapps i’m hosting	Mar 24 21:35
MinceR	i’ve moved my opera searches into a Web Command Line i wrote in javascript	Mar 24 21:35
trmanco	speed, extensibility, accessibility,standards compliance,etc	Mar 24 21:35
MinceR	i’ve moved my bookmarks into SiteBar	Mar 24 21:35
trmanco	oh great	Mar 24 21:36
trmanco	msn i is crapping out again	Mar 24 21:36
trmanco	im*	Mar 24 21:36
trmanco	Unable to retrieve MSN Address Book	Mar 24 21:36
trmanco	pff	Mar 24 21:36
MinceR	wow, what a surprise :>	Mar 24 21:36
trmanco	back online	Mar 24 21:37
trmanco	maybe a reboot caused by conficker	Mar 24 21:37
MinceR	people using closed IM systems should move to jabber	Mar 24 21:37
trmanco	I use XMPP	Mar 24 21:37
trmanco	but a lot of my friend and family use that bloated proprietary shit	Mar 24 21:37
trmanco	friends*	Mar 24 21:38
MinceR	they are the ones who should move	Mar 24 21:38
MinceR	what’s that “e editor” guy talking about? his company doesn’t even produce FLOSS	Mar 24 21:40
MinceR	and he confuses free software with open source software	Mar 24 21:40
schestowitz	Good fit: http://uk.gamespy.com/ar…	Mar 24 21:42
schestowitz	trmanco: maybe a reboot due to infection	Mar 24 21:43
schestowitz	It did happen before	Mar 24 21:43
schestowitz	[MS datacentres becoming botnets]	Mar 24 21:43
schestowitz	Wait another 22 hours, like with Azure	Mar 24 21:44
trmanco	maybe a BSoD and my connection just jumped to a different semi infected server	Mar 24 21:44
schestowitz	It takes a while to reinstall Winders with all the drivers and stuff…. heaps of patches	Mar 24 21:44
*schestowitz pictures an army of box-booters being called in to bring Azure back. “clean up ze registries! Schnell schnell!!”		Mar 24 21:45
trmanco	it will take a hole afternoon and a couple of reboots to completely install windows with updates	Mar 24 21:45
MinceR	lol	Mar 24 21:47
MinceR	they don’t have system images backed up?	Mar 24 21:51
schestowitz	/Clean/ backup?	Mar 24 21:53
schestowitz	No MS news recently. The company seemingly hibernated, except in the court room and such… (TomTom)	Mar 24 21:54
schestowitz	Office is the next OpenServer?	Mar 24 21:58
schestowitz	IDG misspelled my name: http://blogs.computerworld.com/…	Mar 24 21:59
trmanco	schestowitz, nothing misspelled, I think	Mar 24 22:05
schestowitz	The second time	Mar 24 22:05
MinceR	the “e editor” guy has really strange views… “The whole point is to reach the balance where both the freedoms of the users and of the developers are equally respected.”	Mar 24 22:05
trmanco	ah crap	Mar 24 22:05
schestowitz	sjvn quotes doug by kistake	Mar 24 22:05
trmanco	schestowitz, I see it now	Mar 24 22:05
trmanco	he switched the i with the t	Mar 24 22:06
schestowitz	i sent him a copy of the msg to sjvn. he mistakenly quoted doug as though it was me: I wouldn’t say “infect”	Mar 24 22:06
trmanco	Twitter is over capacity.	Mar 24 22:08
trmanco		Mar 24 22:08
trmanco	I ca’t even search for no one on Twitter, meh	Mar 24 22:08
trmanco	better use Google instead	Mar 24 22:08
trmanco	found him already	Mar 24 22:08
schestowitz	trmanco: yes, spotted that too	Mar 24 22:10
schestowitz	Big whale took over the server	Mar 24 22:10
schestowitz	Leviathan	Mar 24 22:10
schestowitz	Can’t recall the reference to a SUN server, IIRC	Mar 24 22:10
MinceR	Fail Whale	Mar 24 22:11
schestowitz	Sperm whale. Seeding torrents…	Mar 24 22:11
schestowitz	We should really mesh/torrify more of the Web using strong encryption. It would increase capacity for high-res Web video.	Mar 24 22:12
trmanco	http://twitter.com/trmanco/s…	Mar 24 22:15
trmanco	just tweeted	Mar 24 22:15
schestowitz	Fake ‘open source’? http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest…	Mar 24 22:15
schestowitz	Do you post to both simultaneously?	Mar 24 22:15
schestowitz	twitter+identica?	Mar 24 22:15
trmanco	sometimes	Mar 24 22:16
schestowitz	Worth it?	Mar 24 22:19
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d-snp	lol it actually exists	Mar 24 22:21
trmanco	yes, from time to time	Mar 24 22:21
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schestowitz	I watch Novell closely and heard nothing about Moon Lie 2.0 alpha. Anybody knows…?	Mar 24 22:26
schestowitz	Some guy asked me	Mar 24 22:26
schestowitz	2.0 will have .NET infection that runs deep	Mar 24 22:26
schestowitz	Hehe. http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/0… That’s when I reach for my revolver… (nice wriitng style there)	Mar 24 22:28
trmanco	I’ve heard of previews	Mar 24 22:47
trmanco	ah crap, that’s mono, not moon lie	Mar 24 22:48
schestowitz	Same lie, different word length	Mar 24 22:50
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schestowitz	Satyam Hopes to Finalize Bidder by April 30 http://www.pcworld.com/article/161885/sa…	Mar 24 23:07
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wtfyan	schestowitz, “Sun does not support Solaris??? …Nor GNU/Linux” what was that about?	Mar 24 23:39
schestowitz	JavaFX	Mar 24 23:40
schestowitz	Did you see the article?	Mar 24 23:40
wtfyan	nope	Mar 24 23:40
schestowitz	But it’s not really new to, except the Solaris part	Mar 24 23:40
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/1618…	Mar 24 23:40
schestowitz	See bottom	Mar 24 23:40
wtfyan	i can’t imagine how solaris can stop supporting solaris	Mar 24 23:40
wtfyan	it’s just insane	Mar 24 23:40
schestowitz	There’s another odd one…	Mar 24 23:41
schestowitz	http://www.australianit.news.com….	Mar 24 23:41
schestowitz	Found some minutes ago	Mar 24 23:41
schestowitz	Seems like Sun deploys 64-bit GNU/Linux	Mar 24 23:41
wtfyan	“JavaFX currently supports only Windows and Mac. Sun says Linux and Solaris support will surface this year”	Mar 24 23:43
wtfyan	hm… it’s actually not strange at all	Mar 24 23:44
MinceR	well, if ibm buys them, they might beat some sense into what’s left of sun	Mar 24 23:44
wtfyan	they want plenty of devs to learn javafx firstly	Mar 24 23:44
wtfyan	oh come on, is ibm going to buy sun?	Mar 24 23:45
MinceR	afaik yes	Mar 24 23:45
balzac	what is the URL on Sun not supporting Solaris?	Mar 24 23:46
wtfyan	they left 20% of employees behind but i can’t imagine that they are selling themselves towards ibm	Mar 24 23:46
wtfyan	balzac, http://www.pcworld.com/article/161873/sun…	Mar 24 23:46
MinceR	balzac: http://www.pcworld.com/article/161873/…	Mar 24 23:46
wtfyan	read the end	Mar 24 23:46
balzac	~thanks	Mar 24 23:46
wtfyan	i’m not too familiar with what solaris is, live booted it once long long ago, is it gnu/linux based?	Mar 24 23:48
MinceR	nope	Mar 24 23:49
MinceR	it’s proprietary unix	Mar 24 23:49
MinceR	also known as Slowlaris or Slowaris	Mar 24 23:49
wtfyan	that’s where the problem of sun lies	Mar 24 23:49
schestowitz	balzac: there are many such URLs	Mar 24 23:50
schestowitz	Other examples also	Mar 24 23:50
wtfyan	how the f they thought there will be plenty of devs for it if they just don’t want it to be popular	Mar 24 23:50
wtfyan	i don’t get this “sun”…	Mar 24 23:50
MinceR	they should realize they’ve lost and give up on that dinosaur	Mar 24 23:51
wtfyan	for sure	Mar 24 23:51
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wtfyan	i saw it 2 times and it wasn’t awesome at all. kinda minimalistic and nothing else	Mar 24 23:54
schestowitz	it used to be good	Mar 24 23:54
schestowitz	It’s like OS9 now.	Mar 24 23:54
schestowitz	Looking Glass seems passe	Mar 24 23:54
MinceR	os9 was never good	Mar 24 23:54
MinceR	they couldn’t even get multitasking right on their own	Mar 24 23:55
*wtfyan never used mac neither hackintosh		Mar 24 23:55
MinceR	i’ve tried it in some emulator	Mar 24 23:55
wtfyan	user	Mar 24 23:56
wtfyan	wtf… i tried to search	Mar 24 23:56