IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 25th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:38 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz Huh? Net Friedman worked at Microsoft./ Mar 25 00:57
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schestowitz Hey Mar 25 07:26
schestowitz Interesting (on Federal Reserve): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=… Mar 25 07:56
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MinceR j0 Mar 25 09:24
schestowitz CA axes 31 staff at Australian security R&D lab < http://www.itwire.com/conte… >. CA is very corrupt. Mar 25 09:57
oiaohm http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS…  << Had to happen. Mar 25 10:00
oiaohm A Linux bot net. Mar 25 10:00
oiaohm Difference all infected items were devices. Mar 25 10:01
MinceR i don’t see how leaving the root password set to “password” had to happen :> Mar 25 10:02
oiaohm Because lot of devices are not designed securely. Mar 25 10:05
oiaohm The adsl modem I have here would have been at risk if I hand not replaced the firmware. Mar 25 10:05
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WMGarrison hello Mar 25 10:12
WMGarrison good morning all Mar 25 10:13
WMGarrison i’ve been studying red hat’s position on software patents Mar 25 10:14
WMGarrison finished an article on digitalmajority.org Mar 25 10:14
WMGarrison basically, they seem to be in favour of softyare patents Mar 25 10:14
WMGarrison against business methods Mar 25 10:14
WMGarrison and mainly for interoperability protection Mar 25 10:14
WMGarrison article is based on interviews with ffii, esp. current president Mar 25 10:16
oiaohm Redhat really does not like patents.  But if patents are the rules of the game might as well use them to get what you want. Mar 25 10:16
oiaohm Redhat patent aggreement with other companies demard that the patent must cover all of open source. Mar 25 10:17
oiaohm Ie You deal with Redhat that better be the end of it for Open Source. Mar 25 10:17
schestowitz Hi, WMGarrison Mar 25 10:18
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schestowitz Did Red Hat lobby for, or against software patents in Europe? http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-1411… Mar 25 10:27
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mib_jg3kge hi Mar 25 10:53
mib_jg3kge do u think is better flash proprietary or slilverlight+ogg? Mar 25 10:54
schestowitz Who’s asking? Mar 25 10:54
schestowitz If Snow White received a very nice-looking apple, this does not mean that the witch is benevolent. Mar 25 10:55
schestowitz What a bunch of utter BS (BBC): http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1… “Barack Obama has told Americans he sees signs of economic recovery…” What a maroon. He’s creating optimism in a bankrupt state using temporary looting of the public (more debt) Mar 25 10:57
schestowitz Man follows sat nav to cliff edge < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/e… > Oops. Mar 25 10:59
oiaohm When there is nothing more left there is hope. Mar 25 11:01
schestowitz “Hope” is the motto/slogan Mar 25 11:01
schestowitz He should go like, “look… we’re basically… well, f*cked… now, I advise you citizens to cut the hell out of spendings, demand that the rich crooks who are responsible get arrested for this, wealth is redistributed, regulation is upped and the so-called stimulus (which I didn’t tell you is really looting) is canceled immediately. Take cover, it’s gonna be tough” Mar 25 11:03
schestowitz Getting Rid of Nasty Flash Cookies on Linux < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxpla… > “Flash cookies are the secret nasties of using the Flash player on any platform.” Mar 25 11:19
oiaohm Really when dependance on proprietary can be left behind the better. Mar 25 11:28
oiaohm The intergration between svg and html5 firefox is doing is very nice. Mar 25 11:28
schestowitz Yes, I look forward to video sites that use all this Mar 25 11:35
schestowitz balzac looks into it, I think Mar 25 11:35
MinceR mib_jg3kge: ogg+theora[+vorbis] in itself is better than either Mar 25 11:37
MinceR otherwise i’d say Adobe Trash is better than Silver Lie, regardless of what codec Silver Lie happens to use Mar 25 11:38
MinceR there’s a lot more evil to Silver Lie than just windows media. Mar 25 11:38
oiaohm ogg+theora+vorbis+html5+svg+javascript kicks the stuffings out of flash or sliverlight. Mar 25 11:45
oiaohm At least that combintation in time you will not depending on plugins so it operates. Mar 25 11:45
schestowitz Needs some SDK Mar 25 11:46
schestowitz balzac can make a front-end tool for creating videos with standards on the Web. Mar 25 11:48
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schestowitz oiaohm: did you read http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/25/… ? It’s generally about some of the history of it. I spoke to FFII people on the mailing lists too. It was agreed that Red Hat wasn’t terribly helpful in 2005. Mar 25 11:51
oiaohm Redhat was not in terrible good shape in 2005 either. Mar 25 11:56
MinceR that’s no excuse Mar 25 11:57
oiaohm No defence plan.  Lots of competiion breathing down there neck. Mar 25 11:57
oiaohm Redhat has a defence plan basically.  Take the other guys plan and play it against them. Mar 25 11:58
oiaohm Software patents taken out and only licenced for you to use if you agree to allow your software patents to be used for open source. Mar 25 11:59
oiaohm The same game MS is really playing. Mar 25 11:59
oiaohm Both MS and Redhat see Patents as a way to bring the software industry to a grinding halt. Mar 25 12:00
oiaohm They question you have to ask who gets more advantage out of a grinding halt. Mar 25 12:01
oiaohm Lets just say Open Source vs closed has gone to a completely new level. Mar 25 12:01
oiaohm Is there not a better way of getting rid of software patents than bring the industry to a grinding halt. Mar 25 12:02
oiaohm FFII really don’t believe in that kind of offence. Mar 25 12:03
MinceR what they did back then makes their current issue more threatening. Mar 25 12:03
MinceR (RH, that is) Mar 25 12:03
oiaohm Yep Mar 25 12:03
oiaohm RH is not waiting around to be attacked. Mar 25 12:04
oiaohm If MS will not lay there patents on the table for inspection RH will smoke them out. Mar 25 12:04
MinceR i mean, threatening to the rest of us. Mar 25 12:05
oiaohm RH does not threaten open source Mar 25 12:05
MinceR RH lobbied for SW patents in the EU, now they’re collecting SW patents Mar 25 12:05
MinceR doesn’t sound ethical at all. Mar 25 12:05
oiaohm RH ethical where did you get that idea. Mar 25 12:05
MinceR i was naive Mar 25 12:05
oiaohm What is ethical about using users as lab rats in fedora. Mar 25 12:05
oiaohm RH is not 100 percent ethical.  But does not want anything threating its bread and butter either.  Ie you threaten Open Source they want to skin you alive. Mar 25 12:06
oiaohm Each team is taking a different method to software patents. Mar 25 12:07
MinceR they might be threatening small sw companies though Mar 25 12:08
MinceR some of which produce FLOSS. Mar 25 12:08
oiaohm Really not. Mar 25 12:08
MinceR SW patents increase barrier to entry on the market Mar 25 12:08
MinceR by a lot Mar 25 12:08
schestowitz Create fear Mar 25 12:09
oiaohm It costs nothing other than agreeing that your patents can be used for open source to get protection of the Redhat patents. Mar 25 12:09
schestowitz Red Hat has patents and indemnification Mar 25 12:09
schestowitz Ubuntu might not Mar 25 12:09
schestowitz So the patents harm this space Mar 25 12:09
MinceR oiaohm: is there a legally binding document to ensure that? Mar 25 12:09
schestowitz None Mar 25 12:09
oiaohm Yes MinceR Mar 25 12:09
schestowitz Just words Mar 25 12:09
MinceR also, what about small proprietary sw companies? Mar 25 12:09
schestowitz Had Oracle bought Red Hat….. Mar 25 12:09
oiaohm OIN members. Mar 25 12:09
oiaohm If someone aquired Redhat and wants to undo the Redhat agreement there in for a rude shock. Mar 25 12:10
oiaohm You cannot undo the deal. Mar 25 12:10
schestowitz Which deal? Mar 25 12:11
oiaohm Redhat IBM and others when they formed OIN they did a formal agreements on patents. Mar 25 12:12
oiaohm Its very much you don’t attack open source anyone does they become open to full legal attack from all the other groups holding patents. Mar 25 12:12
oiaohm Basically a normal Patent MAD agreement. Mar 25 12:13
oiaohm Breaking it everyone else is still protected from your patents. Mar 25 12:13
oiaohm How to be 100 percent defenceless basically. Mar 25 12:14
schestowitz Ah!!!!!! Mar 25 12:28
schestowitz Got it! Mar 25 12:28
schestowitz Having spent half an hour on validation with xhtml and js Mar 25 12:28
schestowitz I got my answer here: http://javascript.about…. Mar 25 12:28
oiaohm I am spend the current time trying to work out why in hell a windows 2003 ftp server cannot be connected to. Mar 25 12:29
schestowitz Short story is, XHTML accepts CDATA declarators as “<![CDATA[“ Mar 25 12:29
oiaohm Its running.  Firewall rules appear right.  Nothing can connect to it. Mar 25 12:29
schestowitz Not //<[CDATA[ Mar 25 12:29
oiaohm Bar localhost Mar 25 12:29
schestowitz oiaohm: cpanel used to have a vuln that disabled ftp for security reasons in v.9 IIRC Mar 25 12:30
schestowitz I got it back in 2008 Mar 25 12:30
oiaohm SBS 2003 to be correct. Mar 25 12:31
oiaohm It a business pest. Mar 25 12:31
oiaohm Yes really wrong I am a Linux System admin and I have the job of fixing up a SBS 2003 server. Mar 25 12:31
oiaohm I get all the jobs no one else can solve. Mar 25 12:32
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schestowitz The plugins also invalidated our CSS *Sigh* http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/… Mar 25 12:43
schestowitz Ahhhh. Mar 25 12:46
schestowitz So fixing validation just broke the functionality Mar 25 12:46
schestowitz Should I just give up on validation? Mar 25 12:46
schestowitz I think I have it under control again.. I think. Mar 25 12:48
schestowitz People who write plugins don’t care about validation, so I need to ‘fix’ their plugins, which means that unless I submit a patch, then I have to re-fix every time they ship an update Mar 25 12:49
oiaohm You would think there would be others in you boat schestowitz Mar 25 12:50
oiaohm Fork the plugins get tempting after a time. Mar 25 12:51
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schestowitz http://www.gdstarrating.com/2009/0… Mar 25 12:57
schestowitz “Your plugin is my favourite of all and I wish to submit a patch. I could not find where to do it, so: Mar 25 12:57
schestowitz in function /gd-star-rating.php : Mar 25 12:57
schestowitz replace Mar 25 12:57
schestowitz echo(’//<[!CDATA[’); Mar 25 12:57
schestowitz with Mar 25 12:57
schestowitz echo(’//<![CDATA[’); “ Mar 25 12:57
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, that’s the point. You can help resolve the pain for others too. Mar 25 12:58
schestowitz oiaohm: forking becomes tempting if: 1) the lead dev stops developing OR 2) you feel as though you’ve put too much in Mar 25 12:58
oiaohm OR 3) Lead dev will not listern to required features. Mar 25 12:59
schestowitz I sort of forked bits of WP 1.2, but what’s the point? I mean, they were already making fast progress, so I helped with the main branch b/w 2004-2007 Mar 25 12:59
schestowitz Not help much, though. Mar 25 12:59
schestowitz In 2008 I pushed them for GPLv3 Mar 25 12:59
schestowitz Or AGPLv3 (better) Mar 25 12:59
schestowitz oiaohm: this one is a bug, not a design choice. Mar 25 12:59
oiaohm AGPL is designed for web services. Mar 25 12:59
schestowitz Yes Mar 25 13:00
schestowitz Like WordPress Mar 25 13:00
schestowitz I can modify WP and serve it to users Mar 25 13:00
schestowitz I can modify WordPress MU and make a wordpress.com lookalike Mar 25 13:00
schestowitz Some sites have done just that Mar 25 13:00
oiaohm I have had trouble with a few different programs over the years. Mar 25 13:00
schestowitz But I very much doubt they modified the code much Mar 25 13:00
oiaohm Few I have seen forked over basic issues. Mar 25 13:00
oiaohm Funny enough most of them end up killing the project with the lead that would not listern Mar 25 13:01
oiaohm Forking must be based on a valid reason or it dies. Mar 25 13:01
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Omar87 Hi all. Mar 25 13:19
schestowitz Hey Mar 25 13:19
MinceR hay Mar 25 13:20
schestowitz Troll wants help… http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/z… ( A plea for open source help ) Mar 25 13:28
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schestowitz http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/200… “Richard Stallman is often criticized as being out of touch and too fanatical. But I think…” Mar 25 13:39
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schestowitz [read on] RMS has a beard, so people try to compare him to other people who have beards (i.e. they don’t shave *gasp*). Carla is defending him pretty often in LinuxToday; she’s all right, even compared to Brian. Mar 25 13:41
schestowitz NASA associates itself with a criminal corp. :-( : Microsoft Partners With NASA To Put Images Online < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009… > Mar 25 13:43
schestowitz Vista capable: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new… Mar 25 13:46
schestowitz \ Mar 25 13:47
schestowitz Sweet OpenGL 3.1 luv is coming: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/… Mar 25 13:48
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zoobab01 hi Mar 25 13:48
schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Mar 25 13:49
schestowitz I’ve just written about Red Hat and the book from Phelps Mar 25 13:49
schestowitz It relates to what someone told me in October. Mar 25 13:49
schestowitz That he was *ahem* taking a leave perhap Mar 25 13:49
schestowitz *perhaps Mar 25 13:49
schestowitz China is exploiting Microsoft’s vulnerable products the most: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1619… Mar 25 13:54
MinceR i’d say the USA is the world’s malware factory, with m$ at its head. but then again, i don’t work for IDG and aren’t paid by m$. Mar 25 13:57
MinceR s/aren’t/am not/ Mar 25 13:57
schestowitz Novell’s CEO has some regrets about the Microsoft deal: http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… Mar 25 13:57
MinceR there was a /. article on novell losing clients or something Mar 25 13:58
MinceR i think this is related to that Mar 25 13:58
MinceR “but at the end of the day we have to listen to the customer.” …and sell him a patent pseudolicense he doesn’t need for lots of money. Mar 25 14:00
schestowitz :-) Mar 25 14:01
schestowitz Yeah. Listen to the customer. Mar 25 14:01
schestowitz Susan Hauser did (Microsoft) Mar 25 14:01
schestowitz Microsoft told Novell what the customers wanted — patents and alll… Mar 25 14:01
schestowitz Microsoft mouthpiece Gavin Clarke is as usual trying to make it seem like FOSS is losing: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03… Mar 25 14:04
schestowitz I want to find pictures of this, if any exist: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… The car was /still/ *on* the cliff Mar 25 14:10
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schestowitz wb, _Hicham_ Mar 25 14:33
_Hicham_ thank u Roy Mar 25 14:37
_Hicham_ fucking asp sites Mar 25 14:37
_Hicham_ I must install IE Mar 25 14:37
schestowitz Hovsepian looks like a zombie here:  Novell CEO sees SUSE Linux Enterprise 11 in the data center < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10… > Mar 25 14:41
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*schestowitz has played the same song in a loop for 7 hours Mar 25 14:53
MinceR why? Mar 25 14:56
schestowitz Laziness. I have heaps that are new (RIAA-safe) Mar 25 15:04
schestowitz Oooh.. nice. It’s sunny now Mar 25 15:22
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schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03… “While IBM and the Linux community for mainframes centered around Marist College in New York have worked to get official mainframe ports done for Linux – Red Hat and Novell officially support mainframes, if you can write a big enough check to get support – there is no native Windows port to IBM mainframes as far as I know. So, the real curiosity is how Mantissa Mar 25 15:36
schestowitz is supporting Windows XP or Vista atop z/VM partitions.” Mar 25 15:36
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schestowitz Vote distribution in BN: people just vote “0″ or “10″: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/pl… Mar 25 15:52
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_Hicham_ Nobody is in here today Roy Mar 25 15:56
schestowitz They do something more interesting like flying kites :-D Mar 25 16:04
_Hicham_ I am on Windows now Mar 25 16:05
_Hicham_ because of a fucking aspx form Mar 25 16:05
_Hicham_ do u see how Microsoft is fucking us? Mar 25 16:05
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dsffds hello everyone Mar 25 16:06
*dsffds is now known as stated Mar 25 16:06
_Hicham_ as soon as I will work in the government, I will ban Windows from all the machines Mar 25 16:06
stated :) Mar 25 16:06
stated does anyone know an open source program similar to comic life in function? http://en.wikipedia.org/w… Mar 25 16:06
schestowitz Hi, stated Mar 25 16:08
stated hey Mar 25 16:08
schestowitz _Hicham_: who is responsible for the design? Mar 25 16:08
stated someone  i know is being “forced” to use that program and is looking for an alternative Mar 25 16:08
stated schestowitz: id be so ignorant wihtout your site :) Mar 25 16:08
*schestowitz looks at Wikipedia Mar 25 16:09
schestowitz stated: I saw two such programs recentyly Mar 25 16:09
schestowitz One targets Linux as a priority Mar 25 16:09
schestowitz Let me find it Mar 25 16:09
schestowitz http://www.linuxpr.com/rel… Mar 25 16:09
schestowitz Comic creation software released simultaneously for Linux and Windows. Mar 25 16:10
schestowitz eBook and Comic Book Reader, Organizer for Linux Hits 1.0 < http://www.linuxpr.com/releas… > Mar 25 16:10
_Hicham_ Roy : a government web designer Mar 25 16:10
_Hicham_ all gov sites in Morocco are IE only Mar 25 16:10
schestowitz What?!?! Mar 25 16:10
*schestowitz thinks of the OLPC thing Mar 25 16:10
schestowitz Oops. Mar 25 16:11
schestowitz I was also thinking of Lybia Mar 25 16:11
schestowitz Libya Mar 25 16:11
_Hicham_ fucking fucking fucking aspx and docx Mar 25 16:12
_Hicham_ the x at the end of the extensions stands for “fuck u” Mar 25 16:13
_Hicham_ all MS products are X rated Mar 25 16:13
schestowitz DirectX, hackTicHacks… Mar 25 16:16
MinceR RadioActiveX Mar 25 16:19
_Hicham_ to convert docx successfuly, without downloading any pirated software, I had to do the following Mar 25 16:19
_Hicham_ reboot into Windows Mar 25 16:19
_Hicham_ install Microsoft Word Viewer Mar 25 16:19
schestowitz That’s good. Mar 25 16:20
schestowitz …for Microsoft Mar 25 16:20
schestowitz Convert (to Windows) or die Mar 25 16:20
schestowitz Or suffer tying to live on Mar 25 16:20
_Hicham_ then right click the docx, choose “Open with” Mar 25 16:20
_Hicham_ well I m just trying to live without infringing the patents Mar 25 16:20
schestowitz .It’s a system of peer pressure and imposed assimilation to your environment Mar 25 16:20
schestowitz That’s what many things like OOXML are about Mar 25 16:20
schestowitz And they sure prove effective as you can see. Mar 25 16:21
schestowitz Network effects Mar 25 16:21
_Hicham_ well, Roy, I think it is better to run this under wine Mar 25 16:21
schestowitz No Mar 25 16:21
_Hicham_ why? Mar 25 16:21
schestowitz Alcohol won’t take the misery away Mar 25 16:21
schestowitz It’ll have you lose your job . ;-) Mar 25 16:21
schestowitz Microsoft is also attacking Wine behind closed doors Mar 25 16:21
_Hicham_ so how do we do if we need to convert a docx? Mar 25 16:22
schestowitz It makes agreements about it, at least with Novell Mar 25 16:22
schestowitz Probably Xandros too (they use and market it extensively) Mar 25 16:22
schestowitz Microsoft is a dying, big, violent dinosaur Mar 25 16:22
schestowitz Respect the beast… but show what it does Mar 25 16:22
schestowitz _Hicham_: OOXML is corruption, docx includes Mar 25 16:23
schestowitz Don’t touch the corruption Mar 25 16:23
_Hicham_ I know Mar 25 16:23
schestowitz No government should make docs available in it Mar 25 16:23
_Hicham_ I m just talking about how to do with reality Mar 25 16:23
schestowitz It’s like the government is selling you MS Office Mar 25 16:23
_Hicham_ the government sells MS Office Mar 25 16:23
schestowitz Want to do taxes? Well, it’s your luck day !! Buy Microsoft Office now. Mar 25 16:23
_Hicham_ fuck the office Mar 25 16:23
schestowitz The Czech presidency does this….. it’s SPONSORED by Micfrosoft Mar 25 16:23
_Hicham_ I use Latex Mar 25 16:24
schestowitz Microsoft uses governments as salesmen Mar 25 16:24
_Hicham_ do u know what? Mar 25 16:24
_Hicham_ Go-OO are just lying about providing better OOXML compatibility Mar 25 16:24
schestowitz Demand they make another format available Mar 25 16:24
schestowitz For starters Mar 25 16:24
schestowitz Go-OOXML? Mar 25 16:24
_Hicham_ yes Mar 25 16:24
schestowitz False advertising then :-) Mar 25 16:25
_Hicham_ it is the same as the bundled one with OOo3 Mar 25 16:25
schestowitz Yes Mar 25 16:25
schestowitz Pretty much Mar 25 16:25
schestowitz But Novell needs to MARKET OOXML Mar 25 16:25
_Hicham_ I don’t know why they created such a product Mar 25 16:25
schestowitz Microsoft needs this marketing Mar 25 16:25
schestowitz _Hicham_: for control Mar 25 16:25
_Hicham_ it is sad that some distros use it Mar 25 16:25
_Hicham_ like debian Mar 25 16:25
schestowitz if Microsoft bought Novell, would they swatch to IBMoffice.org? Mar 25 16:29
_Hicham_ IBM have already its own office suite Mar 25 16:30
_Hicham_ IBM Lotus Symphony Mar 25 16:32
MinceR and it’s ooo-based Mar 25 16:32
schestowitz I don’t like this: Mar 25 16:33
schestowitz http://www.tuxradar.com/content/fre… Mar 25 16:33
schestowitz Jose_X has already commented as I believed he would Mar 25 16:33
schestowitz FOSS should not become ‘client state’ of Apple and Microsoft they bundle their own non-Free s/w Mar 25 16:34
schestowitz _Hicham_: Lotus Sym-phony[sic] is just OOo 1.3/1.2 with Eclipse GUI Mar 25 16:34
schestowitz It’s a project/fork without purpose. it’s also proprietary. Mar 25 16:35
schestowitz The strawman in tuxradar: “In depth: There’s a long running argument between two opposing groups of open source advocates. Does the availability of free software for a proprietary platform promote or inhibit open source adoption?” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… Mar 25 16:36
schestowitz http://blogs.computerworld.com/n… “Correct. Linux actually continues to keep growing for them, but pretty much everything else was on the down side. Red Hat, however, is kicking rump and taking names.” Mar 25 16:41
_Hicham_ I like how RedHat is doing things Mar 25 16:45
schestowitz I prefer the Debian way Mar 25 16:47
_Hicham_ Roy : u don’t like companies Mar 25 16:48
schestowitz I don’t trust them Mar 25 16:49
schestowitz They operate with one goal Mar 25 16:49
_Hicham_ so u must go with Debian then Mar 25 16:53
_Hicham_ if u believe in sthg, go with it Mar 25 16:54
schestowitz Or others. Investors are the drivers in very large companies because of trade modes.  Not SuSE Mar 25 16:54
schestowitz It’s different with megacorps. Ethics are not a consideration (PR is to make sales too). The same goes for nations. They are not ethical entities, people are. Mar 25 16:54
schestowitz States/companies != people, but they are treated as individuals and given the same rights, despite being totalities that are destructive to their surroundings.  It’s one thing to hold disdain for a corporation or state and another to resent the nation or company itself. Mar 25 16:54
_Hicham_ I appreciate the decentralized Debian also Mar 25 16:55
_Hicham_ but in corporate open source, RedHat is the leader Mar 25 16:55
schestowitz It also promotes collusion and oligarchy Mar 25 16:55
schestowitz The US thought it was fine Mar 25 16:55
schestowitz The “free market” bulls*hit Mar 25 16:55
schestowitz The US treasury worked secretly Mar 25 16:55
schestowitz handling trillions in loans in the dark Mar 25 16:55
schestowitz They blew it up for decades Mar 25 16:56
schestowitz _Hicham_: as long as Red Hat does not deny people (or centos) access to the good, that’s fine Mar 25 16:56
schestowitz it’s when it locks you out that the GPL’s spirit is violated Mar 25 16:56
_Hicham_ I finished my work on Windows Mar 25 16:59
_Hicham_ I m gonna reboot into Debian Mar 25 16:59
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schestowitz http://www.gamasutra.com/php-b… “Interestingly, on 2DBoy.com thus far, 65 percent of paid PC downloads were for Windows, 25 percent for Mac, and 10 percent for Linux. “ Mar 25 17:02
balzac http://uncyclopedia.wikia….  <— schestowitz, I bet you’ve seen this already, but it deserves to be on BN Mar 25 17:06
balzac I nearly died laughing when I got to all the search-engine-optimization words they put at the bottom. Mar 25 17:07
schestowitz balzac: it’s vuvenile Mar 25 17:08
balzac It’s what Microsoft enables. It’s a real snapshot of the history of the web. Mar 25 17:10
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_Hicham_ finally, into Debian Mar 25 17:17
_Hicham_ what a misery to be obliged to boot into Windows Mar 25 17:17
_Hicham_ fucking web designers who have no ethics Mar 25 17:18
_Hicham_ a silent room again Mar 25 17:20
schestowitz _Hicham_: just published for you: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/03/tak… Mar 25 17:20
schestowitz Send it to the government Mar 25 17:20
schestowitz _Hicham_: balzac is here and active Mar 25 17:20
_Hicham_ where is balzac Mar 25 17:22
schestowitz The Enderle slime attacks Apple now Mar 25 17:23
schestowitz TG Daily lets him post his Microsoft garbage/placements there. Mar 25 17:24
schestowitz Bad karma for TG Daily Mar 25 17:24
_Hicham_ Roy : I tried to explain that to the person who send me the file already Mar 25 17:26
_Hicham_ I don’t use doc format at all Mar 25 17:27
_Hicham_ I use only pdf for communicating Mar 25 17:27
_Hicham_ fuck fuck fuck Microsoft Mar 25 17:28
_Hicham_ Viva virus writers for Windows Mar 25 17:28
_Hicham_ even thought I don’t like destruction Mar 25 17:29
schestowitz I see… well, tell them to resend Mar 25 17:34
schestowitz And explain why Mar 25 17:34
schestowitz Otherwise they’ll do the same to other people Mar 25 17:34
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trmanco what does ATTN mean? Mar 25 17:44
_Hicham_ Roy : what browser do u use? Mar 25 17:45
trmanco _Hicham_, I think he uses Firefox Mar 25 17:50
schestowitz “Attention” Mar 25 17:59
schestowitz trmanco: and Konqueror for identica Mar 25 17:59
trmanco ah thanks Mar 25 17:59
trmanco schestowitz, why Konqueror on Identica? Mar 25 17:59
schestowitz Honeymoon over: “Internet radio and social music site Last.fm is to start charging listeners outside the UK, US, and Germany.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1… Mar 25 18:00
schestowitz trmanco: to try it Mar 25 18:00
trmanco hmm Mar 25 18:00
schestowitz http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss… ( Pupils ‘should study Twitter’). The stupidity is amazingf Mar 25 18:01
schestowitz People should be tought to write paper Mar 25 18:01
schestowitz What’s next? SMS class? Mar 25 18:01
schestowitz loz dat would b sumthing!! Mar 25 18:01
schestowitz :-( I can’t hit the keyboard right.. just work up Mar 25 18:02
schestowitz *woke Mar 25 18:02
schestowitz OK, enough with the song I’ve listened to for 10 (!!) hours. Mar 25 18:04
_Hicham_ what song is this? Mar 25 18:05
_Hicham_ free software song by RMS? Mar 25 18:06
schestowitz Oh no ! *LOL* Mar 25 18:09
schestowitz It’s embarrassing when he starts singing that Mar 25 18:09
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_Hicham_ u don’t like it Roy? Mar 25 18:10
_Hicham_ :D Mar 25 18:10
schestowitz Google’s employees still use dual-head (so do I). Watch photo: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/03/25/… Mar 25 18:12
*schestowitz looks for video for _Hicham_ Mar 25 18:12
schestowitz Can’t find it Mar 25 18:13
schestowitz Typical CNET: OnLive could threaten Xbox, PS3 and Wii < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/03/… > Yeah… like “cuil” killed Google and Wikia too Mar 25 18:14
_Hicham_ Roy : u r not a good singer? Mar 25 18:17
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_Hicham_ Debian Sid OOo gives no credit to Go-OO Mar 25 18:19
MinceR go-oo deserves no credit Mar 25 18:21
schestowitz _Hicham_: not really, no. Mar 25 18:25
schestowitz _Hicham_: just for kicks I recoded some stuff when I was 20 < http://schestowitz.com/music.htm > Mar 25 18:27
schestowitz Can Digg Restore the Enthusiasm That Made the Site Popular? < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/03/1… > Mar 25 18:29
_Hicham_ u r using mp3? Mar 25 18:30
_Hicham_ did u pay the royalties? Mar 25 18:33
schestowitz No, that was a long time ago. I haven’t used this format for years Mar 25 18:36
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schestowitz For Australians ( amarsh04 ): Aussies! Grab a sub $200 Linux desktop – today only! < http://www.itwire.com/conten… > Mar 25 18:39
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_Hicham_ sleeping room Mar 25 19:01
_Hicham_ there is no talkers Mar 25 19:01
_Hicham_ the big talkers ever in this room are balzac and oiaohm Mar 25 19:01
_Hicham_ if these two are not here, the room becomes silent Mar 25 19:01
_Hicham_ canonical is selling products Mar 25 19:06
_Hicham_ as a retailer Mar 25 19:06
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wtfyan schestowitz, how comes that you didn’t use mp3 for years? Mar 25 19:12
_Hicham_ wtfyan : for encoding he means Mar 25 19:12
_Hicham_ not listening Mar 25 19:12
wtfyan aah Mar 25 19:12
wtfyan mp3 is not even worth using for encoding Mar 25 19:12
schestowitz I thanked Mary Jo a bold writeup about the latest Microsoft PR book. I knew she could see past PR. Mar 25 19:22
schestowitz wtfyan: I wouldn’t encode in it Mar 25 19:22
schestowitz I try to populate the Web with standards or free formats like Ogg Mar 25 19:23
wtfyan so which one do you prefer? Mar 25 19:23
wtfyan ogg is a bit better Mar 25 19:23
wtfyan as good as i remember best 1 was wma of some latest version Mar 25 19:23
wtfyan concerning quality/bitrate Mar 25 19:24
_Hicham_ wma is fucking bad in quality Mar 25 19:29
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_Hicham_ it is very lossy Mar 25 19:29
schestowitz Sounds about right Mar 25 19:30
schestowitz It has the Microsoft label Mar 25 19:30
stated schestowitz: thanks so much for links! sorry i didnt reply i was afk Mar 25 19:33
stated :D Mar 25 19:33
stated just what i was looking for Mar 25 19:35
stated i think Mar 25 19:38
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schestowitz stated: no problem Mar 25 19:45
stated im not sure if its free open source though, go a price but it also has dowload link to source Mar 25 19:45
*stated checks Mar 25 19:45
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