04.15.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 14th, 2009 – Part 3
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| DaemonFC | *cough* Vista’s audio stack | Apr 14 14:06 |
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| iwmw | so they made vista so crappy on purpose | Apr 14 14:07 |
| oiaohm | MS is in a pinch. | Apr 14 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Somewhere they have never been before. | Apr 14 14:08 |
| iwmw | so people only looked at how crappy vista is and blamed it for it | Apr 14 14:08 |
| iwmw | not talking about drm | Apr 14 14:08 |
| oiaohm | MS no longer has 100 perent price control. | Apr 14 14:08 |
| iwmw | and now vois la win7 is out soon, look how better it looks XD | Apr 14 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | no, most of Vista’s problems existed in XP | Apr 14 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | the hardware is just completely outgrowing the Windows kernel’s ability to use it | Apr 14 14:09 |
| iwmw | hm… i didn’t use that problems | Apr 14 14:09 |
| iwmw | which hardware for example is outgrowing? | Apr 14 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I’ve thought about writing a Windows Haters Handbook | Apr 14 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | a guide to all things Windows | Apr 14 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Boy that could be a extreamally thick book. | Apr 14 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Make the Unix haters look thin. | Apr 14 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | .Net – the first truly modular programming disaster | Apr 14 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | NTFS – If you sit on it, it might pack your bits in tighter | Apr 14 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | AERO – Pardon me, your memory is leaking | Apr 14 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | Cleartype – Windows in Glaucoma-Vision | Apr 14 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | ACPI – Sure it corrupts all your data and may not wake up, but look at your battery life | Apr 14 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | “This program requires Windows Vista” – Why every user needs a resource editor | Apr 14 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | Accessories Menu – Power Tools for Power Fools | Apr 14 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Media – All your multimedia are belong to us | Apr 14 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | Internet Explorer – The most convenient remote code execution platform ever developed | Apr 14 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | GDI+ – Or…”We left that in there in case you decided to save $10″ | Apr 14 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 – Now with ISO burning (A cheaper and smaller alternative to Nero Burning ROM | Apr 14 14:25 |
| oiaohm | you missed IE | Apr 14 14:39 |
| oiaohm | It seamed like a good idea to connect the kernel to the internet. | Apr 14 14:39 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqugg-br0Cw | Apr 14 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Apr 14 14:40 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… | Apr 14 14:41 |
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| iwmw | why connection of windows kernel to the internet is a good idea? | Apr 14 15:02 |
| iwmw | it’s kinda killsome | Apr 14 15:03 |
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| DaemonFC | “–They’re not listening to real users, they’re listening to a focus group if that, and the focus group gave us the McLean Deluxe, which was a total disaster for McDonalds. But unlike McDonalds, Microsoft has the advantage of no competitors. If we want to put Windows in the McLean Deluxe analogy, Windows thrives because all restaurants are McDonalds, all grocery stores are closed, and the only thing on the menu is the mystery mea | Apr 14 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | from a post I’m writing | Apr 14 15:20 |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/… | Apr 14 15:48 |
| balzac | very funny | Apr 14 15:48 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/200… | Apr 14 15:59 |
| schestowitz | I’m back | Apr 14 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.daniweb.com/blogs… | Apr 14 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | “Which is good news, especially when you consider that those fixes concern around 2000 reported crash causing bugs in the Windows 7 code alone, not including third party driver or application problems.” | Apr 14 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Finally I know the background of this phrase.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hock… | Apr 14 16:05 |
| schestowitz | “Alaska governor Sarah Palin, the U.S. Republican vice-presidential candidate in 2008, described herself as a hockey mom as far back as her 2006 gubernatorial race.[16] In her speech at the 2008 Republican National Convention and in stump speeches following the convention, she joked that the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull was lipstick,[17] “ | Apr 14 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I added to the end | Apr 14 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | “Windows 7 is faster, and Iran-Contra wasn’t arms for hostages.” | Apr 14 16:08 |
| balzac | sarah palin | Apr 14 16:08 |
| balzac | WT pageant princess | Apr 14 16:08 |
| balzac | WT = white trash | Apr 14 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | I know | Apr 14 16:09 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 14 16:09 |
| balzac | she doesn’t know better really | Apr 14 16:09 |
| balzac | she quoted this guy during her campaign | Apr 14 16:09 |
| balzac | the same guy mocked RFK’s assassination | Apr 14 16:09 |
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| balzac | In cases like that, presuming she’s just an idiot is being charitable to her | Apr 14 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Apr 14 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz….. | Apr 14 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | jsut a sec | Apr 14 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | hold that thought | Apr 14 16:11 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1831461 | Apr 14 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.collegehumor.com/v… | Apr 14 16:14 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?… | Apr 14 16:26 |
| schestowitz | hehehe | Apr 14 16:28 |
| schestowitz | the damon video was great | Apr 14 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | I about pissed myself when that was in the movie theater | Apr 14 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | I had Windows 98 at the time and it crashed several times per day | Apr 14 16:29 |
| schestowitz | damon on palin i mean | Apr 14 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | no matter whatyou did | Apr 14 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | ahhhh | Apr 14 16:29 |
| schestowitz | this film i havent seen for like a decade | Apr 14 16:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C… Matt Damon Rips Sarah Palin | Apr 14 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | There’s a guy in ##windows that still uses Windows 98 | Apr 14 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | The only browser that still even works on it is Opera | Apr 14 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbL6thAkwXc | Apr 14 16:38 |
| schestowitz | In Ubuntu a progress bat went beyond 100% in a beta | Apr 14 16:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.michaellarabel.com/?k=b… | Apr 14 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Found it | Apr 14 16:41 |
| schestowitz | I see I left a comment at the time | Apr 14 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbL6thAkwXc | Apr 14 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3… | Apr 14 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… | Apr 14 16:46 |
| balzac | poor guy | Apr 14 16:47 |
| balzac | imagine using window 98 | Apr 14 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 14 16:47 |
| balzac | I hope he gets to meet Bill Gates some day and get a pat on the head for being such a miserable “gobbler of dregs” | Apr 14 16:48 |
| balzac | for his sake, I hope that’s not his primary OS | Apr 14 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | I think it is | Apr 14 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | I was wondering who would run Windows 98 voluntarily | Apr 14 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | must be some ancient PC | Apr 14 16:49 |
| balzac | that’s just sad | Apr 14 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30210155/ | Apr 14 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | Mel Gibson’s Divorce | Apr 14 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | or “The passion of the greedy ex-wife” | Apr 14 16:51 |
| balzac | That’s like a homeless guy who moved into an abandoned Euro Disney Land and made his home in a themed set based on a crappy movie from the 90s | Apr 14 16:51 |
| balzac | only it’s more sad | Apr 14 16:51 |
| balzac | Mel Gibson has been begging for a woman to twist his balls for a long time | Apr 14 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | I heard Euro Disney was a flop | Apr 14 16:53 |
| DaemonFC |  |
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| balzac | Like Windows Vista or Vista 7 | Apr 14 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | meh, not that I wish them bad fortune though | Apr 14 16:53 |
| balzac | I wish Disney to be down-sized | Apr 14 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | Word got out that they treat gay and lesbian employees with dignity | Apr 14 16:54 |
| balzac | well, that’s nice. | Apr 14 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | so the Christians attack all their movies with FUD and lies | Apr 14 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | about “subliminal messages” and shit | Apr 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Disney is racist | Apr 14 16:54 |
| balzac | They’re terrible about copyright | Apr 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | it’s also rvisoionist | Apr 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Brainwashing young people across the world | Apr 14 16:55 |
| balzac | Pocahontes | Apr 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Not that | Apr 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Lots of things | Apr 14 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | well, if the Christians don’t like them, there must be some redeeming quality about them | Apr 14 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | something | Apr 14 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 14 16:55 |
| balzac | yeah, they deliver the “American Standard” of pop-culture norms | Apr 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Fox for toddlers | Apr 14 16:56 |
| balzac | which is a blend based on compromise between various constituencies | Apr 14 16:56 |
| balzac | The liberals need to learn to “dumb down” their messages to be more succinct | Apr 14 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | Fixed Noise Channel is jsut a symptom of the disease | Apr 14 16:56 |
| balzac | if you don’t want to get “tea-bagged” by Rupert Murdoch, you’ve got to craft better propaganda, sloganeering, branding | Apr 14 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | The fact that so many people are receptive to it is alarming | Apr 14 16:57 |
| balzac | it’s not alarming to me | Apr 14 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | any reasonably intelligent person couldn’t stand 5 minutes of that channel without throwing the remote at the TV | Apr 14 16:57 |
| balzac | I understand that people don’t generally respond favorably to “angstivism” and messages with intellectual conceit | Apr 14 16:58 |
| balzac | so there goes Al Gore, out the window… | Apr 14 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | Ann Coultergeist and Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity the Manatee | Apr 14 16:58 |
| DaemonFC |  |
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| balzac | I’m a fan of Gore, BTW | Apr 14 16:58 |
| balzac | Those people have to be defeated by more clever propagandists | Apr 14 16:59 |
| balzac | People who are as socially aware and concerned as Al Gore, but as flippant and superficial as Paris Hilton | Apr 14 16:59 |
| balzac | Well, you need specialists | Apr 14 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/w… | Apr 14 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | Coultergeist!!!! | Apr 14 17:00 |
| balzac | Al Gore can sit down and be quiet and hire Paris Hilton read his lines. | Apr 14 17:00 |
| balzac | that would be good | Apr 14 17:00 |
| balzac | Let her deliver his presentation in a bikini | Apr 14 17:00 |
| *schestowitz looks | Apr 14 17:03 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=… | Apr 14 17:03 |
| balzac | Ralph Nader could hire porn starlets, since he has a small budget | Apr 14 17:03 |
| balzac | he could do more good that way | Apr 14 17:04 |
| *DaemonFC loves Keith Olbermann | Apr 14 17:04 | |
| schestowitz | Hehre. Almost pie in face | Apr 14 17:05 |
| balzac | Keith ought to get back into sports, primarily | Apr 14 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Gates got it better | Apr 14 17:05 |
| balzac | he’s done very well, but he needs a break | Apr 14 17:05 |
| balzac | He needs to wipe off the pancake make-up and get back outside | Apr 14 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG… | Apr 14 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Keith Olbermann is great | Apr 14 17:09 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi… | Apr 14 17:10 |
| balzac | Keith is great | Apr 14 17:12 |
| balzac | that’s why I wish he’d get back into sports, for his own enjoyment | Apr 14 17:13 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: TB: http://www.ipjur.com/blog2/commen… | Apr 14 17:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ipjur.com/blog2/index.php?… | Apr 14 17:13 |
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| trmanco | it’s quiet in here | Apr 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I can noise if you want. | Apr 14 18:17 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I’ll post to COLA twice today | Apr 14 18:18 |
| schestowitz | It’s Easter, so I take it easy | Apr 14 18:18 |
| trmanco | easter? | Apr 14 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Technically the holiday is out | Apr 14 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes, you beat me to it, but many people around here are on vacation | Apr 14 18:19 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Apr 14 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Open Learning: What Do Open Textbooks Tell Us About the Revolution in Education? < http://cshe.berkeley.edu/publ… > | Apr 14 18:20 |
| schestowitz | It spreads to knowledge, beyond source code | Apr 14 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://smari.yaxic.org/blag/2… | Apr 14 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Let’s Drop this Insulting “Digital Piracy” Meme < http://www.computerworlduk.com/communi… > glyn moody should indent quotes | Apr 14 18:23 |
| trmanco | is it just me, or is COLA being troll-flooded | Apr 14 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know | Apr 14 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | But it feels all right | Apr 14 18:24 |
| schestowitz | The trolls should not be judged by number but by quality | Apr 14 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Saying something like “you’re an idiot” is useless heckle | Apr 14 18:24 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, I haven’t been publicly attacked in a while | Apr 14 18:25 |
| schestowitz | kentma1: Phorm is under EU proble | Apr 14 18:27 |
| schestowitz | *probe | Apr 14 18:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/76… http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tech… BT is mentioned too | Apr 14 18:27 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ping.fm still seems broken to me | Apr 14 18:27 |
| schestowitz | identi.ca Web UI returns error too sometimes | Apr 14 18:28 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, ping.fm works fine here | Apr 14 18:29 |
| trmanco | I’ve tried it right now and it posted to both twitter and identi.ca without any problems | Apr 14 18:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… (Brussels to sue UK over Phorm failures) | Apr 14 18:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ping.fm seems to have changed something | Apr 14 18:32 |
| schestowitz | javaScript | Apr 14 18:32 |
| schestowitz | The button does nothing withiout it | Apr 14 18:33 |
| trmanco | maybe, | Apr 14 18:33 |
| trmanco | it’s similar to ident’.ca’s button | Apr 14 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Same in two browsers | Apr 14 18:33 |
| schestowitz | ideti.ca didn’t work well in Konq | Apr 14 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Twitter was even worse | Apr 14 18:34 |
| schestowitz | BT health problems will cost more jobs < http://www.theregister.co… > “Telco engaged in write-offs and job cuts” It’s also patenting in India.. software, which is illegal | Apr 14 18:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… “goldmansachs666.com and is using it for a blog that criticises the investment bank and its practices.” | Apr 14 18:35 |
| schestowitz | I think Avis took action against critics as well | Apr 14 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Novell could try this against us | Apr 14 18:36 |
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| toros | hi | Apr 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Hey, what’s up? | Apr 14 18:41 |
| toros | schestowitz: I always wanted to ask: which distro do you use? | Apr 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva | Apr 14 18:47 |
| toros | ohhh… Mandriva… | Apr 14 18:49 |
| toros | I wrote a pretty harsh article about Mandriva when they fired Adam Williamson  |
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| trmanco | I patched linux 2.6.28 with *.9 today, compiled it and installed it and I don’t know what the hell I changed in the config that it gave me a kernel panic at bootup  |
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| trmanco | I’ve already did some config tweaks after that, will compile it tomorrow again |
Apr 14 18:51 |
| balzac | that’s good of you to contribute some QA | Apr 14 18:52 |
| balzac | have you tried the kexec command? | Apr 14 18:52 |
| trmanco | I was about to install 2.6.29 | Apr 14 18:52 |
| trmanco | balzac, what kexec? | Apr 14 18:52 |
| trmanco | what is* | Apr 14 18:52 |
| trmanco | no | Apr 14 18:52 |
| balzac | for switching between kernels with only a logout | Apr 14 18:52 |
| balzac | i think | Apr 14 18:52 |
| balzac | for kernel devs | Apr 14 18:52 |
| balzac | I have yet to compile my own kernel, but if I were trying out specialized kernels, I’d like to be able to save as much time as possible | Apr 14 18:53 |
| trmanco | I do a reboot, /me dumb |
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| trmanco | didn’t know that existed | Apr 14 18:53 |
| trmanco | how to I do it? | Apr 14 18:53 |
| trmanco | how do* | Apr 14 18:53 |
| balzac | I haven’t done it yet | Apr 14 18:54 |
| balzac | but it’s a nice trick for sys-admins | Apr 14 18:54 |
| balzac | because you can do a fast reboot | Apr 14 18:54 |
| balzac | kexec instead of a full hardware reboot | Apr 14 18:54 |
| balzac | also, for quick switching between kernels | Apr 14 18:54 |
| balzac | hurd was designed for multiple concurrent kernel instances which can be used to debug each other | Apr 14 18:54 |
| trmanco | ah, just had an idea | Apr 14 18:55 |
| balzac | too bad the stingy open source piglets don’t respect the gnu-father | Apr 14 18:55 |
| trmanco | I’ll use ksplice instead | Apr 14 18:55 |
| balzac | what’s that, a binary-level editor to patch a kernel? | Apr 14 18:55 |
| trmanco | balzac, rebootless kernel updates | Apr 14 18:56 |
| trmanco | http://www.ksplice.com/ | Apr 14 18:56 |
| balzac | hmm | Apr 14 18:56 |
| trmanco | I think it also aplies to the kernel | Apr 14 18:56 |
| balzac | the name makes it sound like it’s splicing the update into the binary instead of replacing the whole kernel | Apr 14 18:57 |
| schestowitz | toros: I wrote about Adam Williamson too | Apr 14 18:57 |
| schestowitz | He’s at Red Hat now | Apr 14 18:57 |
| trmanco | “The Ksplice utilities are only intended for use by experienced kernel | Apr 14 18:58 |
| trmanco | developers.” -> ok, I’ll call myself one when I get it running |
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| balzac | don’t touch the big iron, boys | Apr 14 18:58 |
| balzac | it’s only for the big kids | Apr 14 18:58 |
| toros | schestowitz: yes, I know | Apr 14 18:58 |
| toros | Adam Williamson | Apr 14 18:58 |
| toros | was a great guy | Apr 14 18:59 |
| toros | every distro needs an activist like Adam Williamson | Apr 14 18:59 |
| trmanco | looks weird -> http://www.ksplice.com/example-update | Apr 14 18:59 |
| trmanco | but I’ll try them both | Apr 14 18:59 |
| balzac | trmanco: if software developers didn’t have clique-ish and elitist attitudes, their software would be easy to figure out | Apr 14 18:59 |
| trmanco | I’ve changed my mind again, I’ll use kexec first | Apr 14 19:00 |
| toros | he said some bad things about Ubuntu (my distribution of choice), but he was very loyal to Mandriva, and a great cheerleader for the distro | Apr 14 19:00 |
| trmanco | true, but I only have 1 hours to compile the kernel | Apr 14 19:00 |
| balzac | they’d name things in self-explanatory ways, not insider jargon | Apr 14 19:00 |
| trmanco | no time for reading docs at school |
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| balzac | I’ve heard linux kernel devs going on and on about arcane sounding stuff | Apr 14 19:01 |
| balzac | i’m aware, it can be very complex and it’s beyond my experience as a programmer | Apr 14 19:01 |
| balzac | but it would be nice if they used plain english and didn’t embellish with fancy jargon | Apr 14 19:02 |
| balzac | also, if I had someone who explained it to me in the manner I’d describe it if I knew how it worked, I’d learn it very quickly | Apr 14 19:02 |
| balzac | but there’s a lot of knowledge-hoarding for control | Apr 14 19:03 |
| balzac | I call it “intellectual materialism” | Apr 14 19:03 |
| trmanco | haha | Apr 14 19:04 |
| balzac | I don’t respect the elitist mentality | Apr 14 19:05 |
| balzac | I’m a born leader, so experts should divulge the contents of their brains to me so I can delegate back to them | Apr 14 19:05 |
| balzac | jk ;P | Apr 14 19:05 |
| trmanco | sounds like GIT philosophy when it first was released | Apr 14 19:05 |
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| balzac | I bet I could be the lead dev for something very complex | Apr 14 19:06 |
| trmanco | I’ve heard GIT wasn’t for simple humans in the early days | Apr 14 19:06 |
| balzac | all I’d need would be iron-fisted control over everyone else | Apr 14 19:06 |
| trmanco | you can | Apr 14 19:06 |
| balzac | probably it was chosen by some code-fetishist who wanted something arcane to begin with | Apr 14 19:07 |
| trmanco | use your own programming style but always make your algorithms go the hard ways |
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| trmanco | smack 10 lines of functions into 2 | Apr 14 19:07 |
| trmanco | |
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| trmanco | and maybe use some other techniques and you’re done |
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| balzac | concise code is nice | Apr 14 19:10 |
| balzac | but readability is important too | Apr 14 19:10 |
| balzac | concise and readable are not always the same | Apr 14 19:10 |
| trmanco | yeah, but it’s not always like that | Apr 14 19:12 |
| balzac | sometimes it’s neither concise nor readable | Apr 14 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | A bit more Microsoft influence at Novell? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/14… | Apr 14 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | Intellectual monopolies resort to AstroTurfs: http://boycottnovell.com/… | Apr 14 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | MONO 2.0 – Beware of a Novell bearing gifts < http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2008/11… > | Apr 14 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | Suing Google for not censoring: http://www.webpronews.com/topn… (Olympic Athlete’s Mother Sues Google) | Apr 14 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft charms the world with ‘charity’ again: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/14…/ | Apr 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I just sent a quick word to Dvorak (whom I corresponded with before). It was just a quick word to thank you for great articles that he posted over the past year. I found him too provocative at times beforehand, but he’s right on the money these days. He’s also pro-Linux a lot of the time and he spills the beans on MSFT. | Apr 14 20:49 |
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| jose | schestowitz, some comments here http://www.linuxtoday.com/infr… | Apr 14 21:01 |
| jose | rob enderle replied to my comment on the linuxinsider website that botnets target open source and linux.. or said something like that | Apr 14 21:02 |
| jose | i’m going now.. have work to do. | Apr 14 21:02 |
| balzac | Dvorak reminds me a bit of Nader. They’ve both been around a while and they’re right about a lot of things. | Apr 14 21:09 |
| balzac | Sometimes the message is overshadowed by the delivery. | Apr 14 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | I don’t see an Enderle reply | Apr 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | He’s a snob, he never talks back | Apr 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Just hit-and-run Microsoft henchman | Apr 14 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | The Gralla shill is back at work | Apr 14 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Slamming Apple and Linux for Microsoft, in IDG | Apr 14 21:26 |
| balzac | Roy, this is some of your best stuff | Apr 14 21:28 |
| balzac | firing back, public disputes | Apr 14 21:28 |
| balzac | the heat generated is as important as the light shed on the topics | Apr 14 21:28 |
| balzac | But you shouldn’t waste any more time on “Dan O’Brian” | Apr 14 21:29 |
| balzac | since he is probably hiding behind a pseudonym and doesn’t deserve to be published | Apr 14 21:30 |
| schestowitz | There should just be a disclosure | Apr 14 21:30 |
| schestowitz | about enderle and preston gralla being ms shills | Apr 14 21:30 |
| schestowitz | No pretense, just facts | Apr 14 21:31 |
| balzac | That kind of hack needs others to make their disclosures | Apr 14 21:31 |
| balzac | They’re all about the pay-check and they say what they believe their benefactors will appreciate. | Apr 14 21:32 |
| balzac | And they catapult their propaganda, but they avoid all dialog | Apr 14 21:32 |
| balzac | left-over hacks from the broadcast media propaganda mercenary class | Apr 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Well, the paycheck is not direct | Apr 14 21:33 |
| balzac | of course not | Apr 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Preson Gralla has buddies at MS and he sells their products (books) | Apr 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Enderle has contracts with Microsoft | Apr 14 21:33 |
| balzac | but nevertheless, it’s reliable and it rewards specific, consistent behavior | Apr 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | So as long as he pushes their party line, they’ll pay him | Apr 14 21:34 |
| balzac | “strategic partnership” is the euphemism they’d use | Apr 14 21:34 |
| balzac | actually, that would be too much honesty | Apr 14 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Dvorak just told me: “As i shift focus to Linux I’m sure you be even more pleased.” | Apr 14 21:34 |
| balzac | right on | Apr 14 21:35 |
| balzac | maybe one of these days I’ll shift to the dvorak keyboard layout | Apr 14 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Not him | Apr 14 21:35 |
| balzac | same guy, right? | Apr 14 21:35 |
| balzac | ok | Apr 14 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Apr 14 21:35 |
| schestowitz | balzac: wairt | Apr 14 21:35 |
| balzac | i thought he must be a dinosaur | Apr 14 21:35 |
| schestowitz | You were serious? | Apr 14 21:35 |
| balzac | sounds like a question for wikipedia | Apr 14 21:36 |
| balzac | gordon moore is still alive | Apr 14 21:36 |
| balzac | Gordon Moore and the intel legacy is the one reason I temper my criticism of intel, in spite of their M$ friendliness over the years | Apr 14 21:37 |
| schestowitz | IT pros prefer old XP over new Windows 7, survey says < http://www.computerworld.com/acti… > | Apr 14 21:37 |
| balzac | different guy | Apr 14 21:37 |
| balzac | john dvorak vs august dvorak | Apr 14 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Google Previews Android ‘Cupcake’ Update < http://www.informationweek.com/news/inter… > | Apr 14 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Linux gets reseller friendly < http://blogs.computerworld.com… > | Apr 14 21:39 |
| balzac | Due to his technological background, Dvorak is often mis-credited as being the inventor of the Dvorak Simplified Keyboard Layout for computer keyboards. This alternative layout for the QWERTY design was actually created by Dr. August Dvorak in 1936 – 16 years before John C. Dvorak was born. | Apr 14 21:40 |
| balzac | # John C. Dvorak: The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a “mouse.” There is no evidence that people want to use these things. edit » | Apr 14 21:40 |
| balzac | you can see how people would get mixed up – both guys focused on keyboards and ergonomics | Apr 14 21:41 |
| schestowitz | The UK’s ‘War’ on knickers: Brazilian ejected as lingerie arouses border staff suspicions < http://www.theregister.co.uk/… > | Apr 14 21:43 |
| schestowitz | balzac: but it’s a common surname. Like Smith | Apr 14 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Just not in the English-speaking world. | Apr 14 21:44 |
| balzac | ok | Apr 14 21:45 |
| balzac | Stupid brits | Apr 14 21:45 |
| balzac | they ought to decriminalize commercialized sex. same with the stupid american moral police as well. | Apr 14 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Well over 100,000,000 Windows PCs still ripe for hijacking (no user intervention needed): http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… | Apr 14 21:46 |
| balzac | I should give a warning to the moral police – I will make arrangements to have sex with your wife on a reality show if you don’t piss off. | Apr 14 21:46 |
| balzac | jk | Apr 14 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Why did the police stop a Brazilian? | Apr 14 21:48 |
| balzac | She had a bunch of lingerie in her suit case | Apr 14 21:49 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, other than possible suspicion of trafficking, the only Brazilian ‘involvement’ in terrorism was an INNOCENT Brazilian guy shot and killed in London because policemen thought he was dangerous. | Apr 14 21:49 |
| balzac | and not much suitable out-door clothing | Apr 14 21:49 |
| balzac | i remember that | Apr 14 21:49 |
| balzac | I have a brazilian nephew | Apr 14 21:49 |
| schestowitz | The family hardly approciated the apologies | Apr 14 21:49 |
| schestowitz | To lose a relative and be told he looked like a subway bomber | Apr 14 21:49 |
| balzac | I was used to thinking of london as a dangerous place | Apr 14 21:50 |
| balzac | they murdered that guy | Apr 14 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Well, it is dangerous | Apr 14 21:50 |
| balzac | ever since the tube bombings… | Apr 14 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I hear stories from people who live there | Apr 14 21:50 |
| schestowitz | They have survellence everywhere | Apr 14 21:50 |
| schestowitz | The Bush&Puddle invasion of Iraq did contribute a lot to risk | Apr 14 21:50 |
| balzac | George Bush and Tony Blair made NYC and London much more dangerous | Apr 14 21:50 |
| balzac | poodle | Apr 14 21:51 |
| schestowitz | beat you to it! | Apr 14 21:51 |
| schestowitz | |
Apr 14 21:51 |
| balzac | yeah, with the reference to the cartoonist, Bell | Apr 14 21:51 |
| schestowitz | “Poodle” is not my term | Apr 14 21:51 |
| balzac | steve bell | Apr 14 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I heard other people using it | Apr 14 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how much of national debt the invasion cost the UK | Apr 14 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I recently found (not 100%) that US national debt was only 7tr in 2004 | Apr 14 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Now it’s 11 or 14 based on some sourced | Apr 14 21:52 |
| schestowitz | How was so much spent in 4 YEARS? | Apr 14 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Answer: more armament+lower tax= loans | Apr 14 21:52 |
| schestowitz | The same financial bigwit from that time still serve Obama. He didn’t clear house.. | Apr 14 21:53 |
| balzac | which one? | Apr 14 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Can’t recall. Bush andf Cabinet broke the United States | Apr 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Potentially for good | Apr 14 21:55 |
| balzac | well, I’d be happy to have a higher income | Apr 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Condi and others were all from the energy industry | Apr 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | She had a big boat named after her | Apr 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Later renamed | Apr 14 21:55 |
| balzac | I’d like my share of the national debt tortured out of Bush | Apr 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | SO they served the energy cartel | Apr 14 21:55 |
| balzac | 10 days of waterboarding should suffice for my share of debt incurred via Bush treachery | Apr 14 21:55 |
| balzac | waterboarding bush, that is | Apr 14 21:56 |
| balzac | ahhh, I love my evil side ;0) | Apr 14 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Forget waterboarding | Apr 14 21:56 |
| balzac | I’ve been nurturing it | Apr 14 21:56 |
| balzac | Roy, I’m against waterboarding except for Bush, Cheney, and a few of their cronies. | Apr 14 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Senf laura bush to guatanamo to tell inmates about dinos living with men in caves 5000 years ago | Apr 14 21:57 |
| schestowitz | now, that’ s torture | Apr 14 21:57 |
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| MinceR | balzac: then you’re an angstivist. :> | Apr 14 21:58 |
| balzac | no MinceR you are | Apr 14 21:59 |
| balzac | I’m the one who made up the word, so I can apply it to others, but it does not stick when applied to me. | Apr 14 21:59 |
| balzac | but I’m pleased that you’re using it | Apr 14 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Nazi war crimes suspect granted emergency stay http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/1… | Apr 14 21:59 |
| balzac | I’m hoping it will be adopted into the lexicon | Apr 14 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I can use it in bn | Apr 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | balzac: sorry, i didn’t realize this was #kindergarten | Apr 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | oh wait, it isn’t. | Apr 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | balzac: i suspect your stay here is a result of an unfortunate misconfiguration in your client. :> | Apr 14 22:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: enough… please | Apr 14 22:01 |
| balzac | MinceR: here’s the critical distinction between you and I | Apr 14 22:01 |
| balzac | you’re all worked up about Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer | Apr 14 22:02 |
| balzac | I find them a nuisance, relative to war criminals | Apr 14 22:02 |
| balzac | so your rage against them is disproportionate to their offenses, causing you to meet the criteria for an angstivist | Apr 14 22:03 |
| balzac | whereas mine is proportional | Apr 14 22:03 |
| MinceR | balzac: everyone finds their own worldview perfect | Apr 14 22:03 |
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| MinceR | balzac: obviously if someone doesn’t see the world exactly like you do, he must be crazy! | Apr 14 22:03 |
| balzac | my is pretty close to objective | Apr 14 22:03 |
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| MinceR | i’m sure you believe that | Apr 14 22:04 |
| MinceR | everyone does! | Apr 14 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs tries to bully Goldmansachs666.com off the ‘Net < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy… > | Apr 14 22:04 |
| balzac | that is what you should strive for as well – objectively verifiable viewpoint | Apr 14 22:04 |
| balzac | but you’re too emotional to even make an effort, it seems | Apr 14 22:04 |
| MinceR | perhaps you want to consider that your war criminals spent 8 years or so in office | Apr 14 22:04 |
| balzac | so, there’s a pill for you | Apr 14 22:04 |
| balzac | it’s called the WATB pill | Apr 14 22:04 |
| MinceR | gates and the gang has kept the IT world in their grip for at least 20 years | Apr 14 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Where is _Hitcham_ to say “f* Goldman Sachs”? | Apr 14 22:05 |
| MinceR | balzac: unfortunately there’s no pill for you; and brain transplantation isn’t ready yet | Apr 14 22:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: c’mon | Apr 14 22:05 |
| MinceR | balzac: you might want to apply for a trial anyway — it won’t make anything worse for you. | Apr 14 22:05 |
| schestowitz | TSA compromised covert airport security testing < http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2009/04… > | Apr 14 22:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: if he attacks me, i strike back. | Apr 14 22:06 |
| schestowitz | HS = Homeland Stupidity | Apr 14 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Like AS almost… | Apr 14 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Or SA | Apr 14 22:06 |
| balzac | MinceR: you flail, feebly. striking is not possible from your position. | Apr 14 22:06 |
| balzac | and i don’t attack you | Apr 14 22:07 |
| balzac | i offer clues, ever so kindly | Apr 14 22:07 |
| balzac | you’re welcome | Apr 14 22:07 |
| MinceR | balzac: go back to #kindergarten already | Apr 14 22:07 |
| MinceR | or better yet, your hugbox. | Apr 14 22:07 |
| balzac | MinceR: go cry into a pillow | Apr 14 22:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: why do you start these fights? | Apr 14 22:08 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: he started the fight | Apr 14 22:08 |
| schestowitz | I agree with balzac that the bigger criminals are not Microsoft | Apr 14 22:09 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Apr 14 22:09 |
| MinceR | when i dared speak against his beloved gates and ballmer | Apr 14 22:09 |
| schestowitz | The bigger criminals sadly undermine Microsoft | Apr 14 22:09 |
| MinceR | then he made a disparaging (and completely illogical) remark about me | Apr 14 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Because as the economy collapses Microsoft may vanish as an imperialist too | Apr 14 22:09 |
| MinceR | and then he keeps repeating it, he even made up a word for it | Apr 14 22:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he hates them too | Apr 14 22:09 |
| MinceR | i’m getting tired of it. | Apr 14 22:09 |
| schestowitz | But priorities differ | Apr 14 22:09 |
| balzac | MinceR: did you know I’m looking forward to the collapse of Microsoft? I think you already knew that. | Apr 14 22:09 |
| balzac | Am I right? | Apr 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Like, well, for a person in technology it’s easier to understand digital crime | Apr 14 22:10 |
| MinceR | balzac: i don’t know what you’re looking forward to because you operate illogically | Apr 14 22:10 |
| balzac | Did you already know I’m a GNU/FSF advocate? | Apr 14 22:10 |
| balzac | yes? | Apr 14 22:10 |
| MinceR | balzac: you just decided to randomly attack me, and now you’re pissed because i dared to answer | Apr 14 22:10 |
| balzac | And I’m even amenable to the idea of Bill Gates and/or Steve Ballmer being criminally prosecuted if their activities warrant it. | Apr 14 22:11 |
| MinceR | but you don’t think their activities do warrant it | Apr 14 22:11 |
| balzac | But I’m not pleased to see petty criminals punished while the worst are walking free. | Apr 14 22:11 |
| MinceR | and if someone says he thinks they do, you attack them | Apr 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Churches warn GNU under threat < http://www.zimbabwejournalists…. > | Apr 14 22:11 |
| balzac | MinceR: leave it to me to explain my view-point. | Apr 14 22:11 |
| balzac | you can explain yourself | Apr 14 22:12 |
| MinceR | i’ve explained myself a couple of times already | Apr 14 22:12 |
| MinceR | i have better things to do with my time. | Apr 14 22:12 |
| balzac | yeah, don’t be a cry-baby | Apr 14 22:12 |
| balzac | and keep using the word “angstivist” | Apr 14 22:12 |
| balzac | but don’t act like one | Apr 14 22:12 |
| balzac | and stop being upset, you’re acting like a chick with PMS | Apr 14 22:13 |
| MinceR | you should read what you write sometimes | Apr 14 22:13 |
| balzac | XP | Apr 14 22:13 |
| MinceR | perhaps you’ll see the irony in that sentence | Apr 14 22:14 |
| balzac | maybe you are a chick. | Apr 14 22:14 |
| balzac | good point | Apr 14 22:14 |
| MinceR | or maybe you won’t, after all, you’re an idiot. | Apr 14 22:14 |
| balzac | I know nothing about you because you choose to remain behind a pseudonym | Apr 14 22:14 |
| schestowitz | EeePCs still sold with “GNU/Linux”: http://www.cdfreaks.com/hardware/… | Apr 14 22:14 |
| *schestowitz curious to know MinceR’s name | Apr 14 22:15 | |
| MinceR | balzac: and you believe i know everything about you because you’ve said a name you claim to be yours | Apr 14 22:15 |
| balzac | Roy knows I don’t play games | Apr 14 22:16 |
| MinceR | (which i have no way to verify, btw) | Apr 14 22:16 |
| MinceR | well, i’m not Roy | Apr 14 22:16 |
| balzac | http://www.paulgaskin.com | Apr 14 22:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/images?hl=e… | Apr 14 22:16 |
| balzac | would you like me to put a little text file there which says “hello Mincer”? | Apr 14 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Nice design, Paul | Apr 14 22:17 |
| MinceR | which would prove that you can put text files there? | Apr 14 22:17 |
| balzac | it’s okay, i guess | Apr 14 22:17 |
| balzac | MinceR: go cry into a pillow | Apr 14 22:18 |
| balzac | or come back with your given name and build a public profile | Apr 14 22:18 |
| MinceR | balzac: try to make up some new attacks already, this one is getting old | Apr 14 22:18 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: how come you never tell him to stop? | Apr 14 22:18 |
| balzac | ok, I’m going to try to be productive now | Apr 14 22:18 |
| balzac | MinceR: because you’re here without a given name | Apr 14 22:18 |
| MinceR | balzac: i didn’t ask you | Apr 14 22:19 |
| balzac | you’re of a lower caste because you choose anonymity | Apr 14 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft “piss[ing] on Java] like Allchin once said? http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2504 | Apr 14 22:19 |
| MinceR | balzac: there’s no caste system here | Apr 14 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Windows Sucks Much Ass < http://www.darcynorman.net/2004/04/… > | Apr 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | re: libel: “Is this homosexuality-castration-threats thing still going on against you, Roy? I would have thought that it would have abated somewhat in light of the growing success of BN. I would have thought that the trolls would have gotten tired and given up. Idiots.” | Apr 14 22:23 |
| trmanco | they attacked you today? | Apr 14 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Sun, IBM: Shacking Up At MySQL Conference? < http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/13/su… > | Apr 14 22:30 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: dunno | Apr 14 22:30 |
| trmanco | ah ok, that was from some other time | Apr 14 22:31 |
| schestowitz | “This [WinXP] makes me laugh! Thank You!” http://www.darcynorman.net/2004/04/13/… | Apr 14 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Second Desktop environment (GNOm, KDE) I see in 2 days: The desktop fight you’ve all been waiting for < http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9848 > Not good… infighting. | Apr 14 22:35 |
| balzac | not long ago this angstivist stepped up to me in a bar, thinking he would straighten me out | Apr 14 22:38 |
| balzac | turns out I already knew a guy whose ass he kissed | Apr 14 22:38 |
| trmanco | ubuntu 9.04 is shipping OOo 3.0.1 | Apr 14 22:38 |
| balzac | i put my fore-arm in his chest to keep him at a distance so I wouldn’t have to smell his breath | Apr 14 22:39 |
| balzac | then he figured out he was barking up the wrong tree | Apr 14 22:39 |
| schestowitz | The Apple fanmen with ‘open source’ blogs are @ it again (two of them): http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-… | Apr 14 22:39 |
| balzac | reminded me of Mincer | Apr 14 22:39 |
| balzac | heheh | Apr 14 22:40 |
| MinceR | balzac: at least you could have the decency to not troll me constantly | Apr 14 22:40 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: and you still haven’t answered my question | Apr 14 22:40 |
| balzac | who mentioned whose nick first today? | Apr 14 22:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: which one? | Apr 14 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he trolled you now | Apr 14 22:40 |
| MinceR | 232837 < MinceR> schestowitz: how come you never tell him to stop? | Apr 14 22:40 |
| schestowitz | I try never to moderate in any way or make requests | Apr 14 22:41 |
| MinceR | yet you’ve told me off twice today | Apr 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | My bad. | Apr 14 22:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: logging off and on again in ping.fm fixed it in Konq | Apr 14 22:44 |
| trmanco | ah, bad cookie maybe |
Apr 14 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Up Next for UK: Ban on Photos of CCTVs? < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20… > | Apr 14 22:46 |
| schestowitz | China fights the propaganda from CNN (good for them): My chat with Anti-CNN.com < http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversa… > | Apr 14 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Wars over food right here in the UK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7998795.stm | Apr 14 22:47 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: new free software magazine in Portuguese: http://www.revista.espiritolivre.o… | Apr 14 22:49 |
| trmanco | the website need a redesign | Apr 14 22:50 |
| trmanco | needs* | Apr 14 22:50 |
| trmanco | it pt-br | Apr 14 22:51 |
| trmanco | it’s* | Apr 14 22:51 |
| trmanco | and the license it a little restrictive | Apr 14 22:51 |
| trmanco | grrr, is* | Apr 14 22:52 |
| trmanco | I can change, transform or create another magazine based on that one | Apr 14 22:52 |
| trmanco | can’t | Apr 14 22:52 |
| trmanco | can’t* | Apr 14 22:53 |
| trmanco | but it’s still a good initiative | Apr 14 22:54 |
| trmanco | |
Apr 14 22:54 |
| trmanco | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/commun… | Apr 14 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Argh!! | Apr 14 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I keep seeing the IDG or ZDNet-type crowd crowing about false figures (Linux is still on 1 in 3 or 4 netbooks) and forgetting that Microsoft loses loads of money to achieve this. Selling Windows for $5 is not winning, it’s losing | Apr 14 22:57 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: did you drink tonight. lol | Apr 14 22:57 |
| trmanco | what about selling Windows for $1 | Apr 14 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Possible | Apr 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | What about patents? | Apr 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to suffocate a ghost | Apr 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | It can’t suffocate Linux using predatory pricing | Apr 14 22:58 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, no not tonight, it was this afternoon, but I’m typing and coughing at the same time |
Apr 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | It just hurts ITSELF | Apr 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | And the EU Commission is asleep when this is happening | Apr 14 22:58 |
| MinceR | it depends on how many copies they can sell, doesn’t it? | Apr 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | MS suffocated Sun this way | Apr 14 22:58 |
| trmanco | it’s getting lost in it’s own game | Apr 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Optional spyware in Mandriva: http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/… | Apr 14 23:06 |
| trmanco | ubuntu has something like this | Apr 14 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Time for popcorn: http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/c… (Ubuntu 9.04 ‘Jaunty Jackalope’ release on April 23) | Apr 14 23:07 |
| trmanco | “send me statistic about usage blah blah blah” | Apr 14 23:07 |
| trmanco | can’t wait for april 23 | Apr 14 23:07 |
| schestowitz | “In conclusion I would suggest all of you who are using Ubuntu or other Debian Derivatives to try Lenny.” http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com… | Apr 14 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Uh oh. One of the best sites on the Web is at risk of death: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8333 “Right now, we’re hurting. This brutal recession has devastated the giving ability of individuals and foundations alike, and our income is showing the effects.” | Apr 14 23:10 |
| trmanco | time to go, cya | Apr 14 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | PulseAudio 0.9.15 Brings Major Improvements < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=… >. That’s what we need. | Apr 14 23:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: how’s kde4 coming along? getting better? | Apr 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva 2009.1 is out very shortly with 4.2 | Apr 14 23:23 |
| MinceR | well, i didn’t like 4.2 | Apr 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | So I want to know if to move there. | Apr 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | I guess I’ll wait. | Apr 14 23:23 |
| MinceR | so i’ve switched to gnome+compiz for now | Apr 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: back to 3.5? | Apr 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Apr 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | GNOME.. | Apr 14 23:23 |
| MinceR | what bothers me most is how the panel wastes screen space | Apr 14 23:23 |
| MinceR | well, kde3 is officially dead | Apr 14 23:24 |
| MinceR | i’ve heard even the debian guys are moving to kde4 already | Apr 14 23:24 |
| MinceR | (iirc they took upon its maintenance earlier) | Apr 14 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but I’ll wait on 3.5 | Apr 14 23:24 |
| MinceR | and i figured that compiz should really be stable by now | Apr 14 23:24 |
| MinceR | well, it hasn’t crashed x yet, but there are a few glitches | Apr 14 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Compiz works well for me in KDE | Apr 14 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Up for 41 days now, without problems | Apr 14 23:25 |
| schestowitz | KDE does not need a kick, either | Apr 14 23:26 |
| MinceR | i’ve upgraded to intrepid already | Apr 14 23:26 |
| MinceR | and afaict they don’t support kde3 anymore | Apr 14 23:26 |
| MinceR | and i can’t be bothered to install it from source | Apr 14 23:26 |
| MinceR | or to add a third-party repo for it | Apr 14 23:26 |
| schestowitz | |
Apr 14 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I see people in USENET call w7 “Vista 7″ | Apr 14 23:42 |
| schestowitz | The meme spreads  |
Apr 14 23:43 |
| schestowitz | It started here in IRC.. an Apple fan actually. | Apr 14 23:43 |
| MinceR | (provided there’s a third-party repo for kde3, but i’m pretty sure there’s one without looking :> ) | Apr 14 23:46 |
| MinceR | ironically, one of my reasons for upgrading to intrepid was kde4.2 | Apr 14 23:46 |
| MinceR | another was a working libvirt | Apr 14 23:46 |
| balzac | that was a funny video from college humor | Apr 14 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Palin? | Apr 14 23:50 |
| schestowitz | making fun of her like this is actually counter productive because: 1) it created sympathy for her; 2) it makes the Democrats look like a bunch of rich snobs | Apr 14 23:51 |
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| MinceR | $_ = “Palin”; s/l//; | Apr 14 23:52 |
