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| Omar87 | oiaohm: No, I don't, lol. :) | Apr 21 13:57 |
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| MinceR | some people believe m$ invented everything | Apr 21 13:58 |
| MinceR | starting with the wheel | Apr 21 13:58 |
| oiaohm | MS has invented very little. | Apr 21 13:59 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: Actually, M$ has invented almost nothing. | Apr 21 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Blue Screen of Deat | Apr 21 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Death | Apr 21 14:00 |
| oiaohm | MS does have some minor inventions. | Apr 21 14:00 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: Yes! That's one of M$'s main inventions, the BSOD! :) | Apr 21 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Red ring of death | Apr 21 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Most of MS inventions has not been good. | Apr 21 14:01 |
| oiaohm | MS currently hold the record for the most numbers of bugs in 512 bytes in the first Xbox. They managed to fit 200. | Apr 21 14:03 |
| oiaohm | So the compete fancy secuirty system they had designed did not work. | Apr 21 14:03 |
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| oiaohm | BASIC is MS biggest infection/invention. | Apr 21 14:05 |
| MinceR | yet another invention with a negative value | Apr 21 14:05 |
| oiaohm | You cannot say MS invented nothing. | Apr 21 14:06 |
| oiaohm | They did invent some things. | Apr 21 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Most of them implemented badly. | Apr 21 14:07 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC Basic was a trick. | Apr 21 14:08 |
| oiaohm | MS never invented that. | Apr 21 14:08 |
| oiaohm | MS has been claiming ownership of stuff that is not theres for years. | Apr 21 14:10 |
| oiaohm | I always love presenting students with a list of 50 things with 2 box's invented by MS not invented by MS. | Apr 21 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Almost no one gets it right. | Apr 21 14:10 |
| oiaohm | All 50 items are things MS did not invent. | Apr 21 14:11 |
| MinceR | that's cheating | Apr 21 14:11 |
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| oiaohm | It gets even funnier I normal have the class split question by question. | Apr 21 14:13 |
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| oiaohm | Most get annoyed when at the end they wake up all answers were not. | Apr 21 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Basic is the common one they get wrong. | Apr 21 14:14 |
| MinceR | basic is crap enough for it to be a plausible candidate. | Apr 21 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Remember MS first 2 products DOS and BASIC. | Apr 21 14:15 |
| oiaohm | MS would not exist today if Basic had software patents. | Apr 21 14:16 |
| MinceR | or if ibm wasn't asleep at the wheel. | Apr 21 14:16 |
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| oiaohm | The game is not over. | Apr 21 14:17 |
| MinceR | or if the usian antitrust authorities were worth anything at all | Apr 21 14:17 |
| oiaohm | We will see how bad MS is damaged soon. | Apr 21 14:17 |
| MinceR | i find it pretty likely that they'll either die completely or be turned into a tiny patent troll | Apr 21 14:18 |
| MinceR | but the longer they keep agonizing the more damage they cause. | Apr 21 14:18 |
| oiaohm | The colapse of Microsoft will send ripples. | Apr 21 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Linux has done what no other company has. | Apr 21 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Damaged MS bottom line. | Apr 21 14:19 |
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| mib_2rsk5m | lol | Apr 21 14:25 |
| mib_2rsk5m | I think I haven't been asked, if I'm ok with the fact that my private conversations are posted online :p | Apr 21 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Did we force you to type. | Apr 21 14:28 |
| mib_2rsk5m | nice pov I think you just disqualified yourself for a resonable conversation :) | Apr 21 14:29 |
| MinceR | the topic says it's publicly logged | Apr 21 14:30 |
| MinceR | and what takes place here is far from "private" | Apr 21 14:30 |
| MinceR | private conversations aren't logged. :> | Apr 21 14:31 |
| mib_2rsk5m | not from this channel here, but from a private query, I consider that a difference ;) | Apr 21 14:31 |
| MinceR | and who logs that? | Apr 21 14:31 |
| mib_2rsk5m | MinceR: "Someone" who sent it to the site apparently :D | Apr 21 14:31 |
| MinceR | where do private conversations appear on the site? | Apr 21 14:32 |
| mib_2rsk5m | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/24/g... | Apr 21 14:32 |
| oiaohm | IRC are public channels. | Apr 21 14:35 |
| oiaohm | You can use a PM if you don't want to be logged. | Apr 21 14:35 |
| mib_2rsk5m | oiaohm: oh my, I really start to pitty you right now, but since that could be used against me I'll stop talking to you ;) | Apr 21 14:36 |
| MinceR | that private log was very likely submitted by [anon] | Apr 21 14:37 |
| MinceR | and that has nothing to do with any official policy | Apr 21 14:38 |
| MinceR | i log all my chats too | Apr 21 14:38 |
| oiaohm | My client does automatically. | Apr 21 14:38 |
| oiaohm | The idea that internet is private and not recorded is a joke. | Apr 21 14:39 |
| mib_2rsk5m | sure, me to - but I think it's quite a bit odd, to [anon] himself while fully naming others ;) | Apr 21 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Nothing about IRC names have to be real. | Apr 21 14:39 |
| *oiaohm is now known as mice | Apr 21 14:39 | |
| mib_2rsk5m | (Also the Article itself is ridiculous since everyone can write what she or he thinks, and just for the records I'm not affiliated nor associated with openoffice.org in any way) | Apr 21 14:39 |
| mice | Particular channels are support channels for applications. | Apr 21 14:40 |
| mib_2rsk5m | speaking in plural? | Apr 21 14:41 |
| mice | Its called bad form to send people from there to a competitor. | Apr 21 14:41 |
| mice | There are a few 10 000 support channels for applications out there. | Apr 21 14:41 |
| mib_2rsk5m | I see, I waste my time | Apr 21 14:41 |
| mice | What the person was basically against irc ethics. | Apr 21 14:41 |
| mib_2rsk5m | seems my point won't be or is not wanted to be understood | Apr 21 14:42 |
| mice | You are coming in with a normal set of values. | Apr 21 14:42 |
| mib_2rsk5m | I hope it's not considered bad ethics to say the boycottnovell project is a joke? :> | Apr 21 14:42 |
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| mice | Some things like breach of IRC ethics most people don't understand so most of them don't appear on boycottnovell any more. | Apr 21 14:43 |
| mice | Think of it this way. You go into a shop selling macs and you sell users on windows. | Apr 21 14:44 |
| mice | Its not your shop. Everyone there has the right to be miffed with you. | Apr 21 14:45 |
| mice | Support channels have to be registered. The IRC server can reject you from having them. | Apr 21 14:46 |
| mice | boycottnovell tracks wrong doing of all forms mib_2rsk5m. | Apr 21 14:47 |
| MinceR | mice: well, there is a certain person who's obsessed about getting such private information as real name. | Apr 21 14:49 |
| MinceR | mib_2rsk5m: by that reasoning, all articles ever are ridiculous, at least as long as there's freedom of press. | Apr 21 14:50 |
| mice | Irc operates without real names. | Apr 21 14:50 |
| mice | Always has. | Apr 21 14:50 |
| mice | Yet if need the person can be tracked down by there handle. | Apr 21 14:51 |
| schestowitz | <oiaohm> "What's amazing is the elasticity, the speed with which Sun shifted from one suitor to another," DiDio said. "That was faster than Madonna." | Apr 21 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Didiot is a Microsot shill. | Apr 21 14:51 |
| mice | I know it still a good quote schestowitz | Apr 21 14:51 |
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| mice | mib_2rsk5m: being truthful is welcomed in IRC. Reason why name almost anything you like exists in IRC. So you can change handles after you insult someone badly and start off fresh. | Apr 21 14:54 |
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| mib_2rsk5m | that's what kids do, from an adult I expect to be consistent ;) | Apr 21 14:55 |
| mib_2rsk5m | But as said earlier, I know I'm wasting my time with you ;) | Apr 21 14:55 |
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| oiaohm | mib_2rsk5m: Irc was made by adults. Action of changing username has been found extreamly suitable. | Apr 21 14:58 |
| oiaohm | IRC ethics been good for over 20 years so why should the ethics change now. mib_2rsk5m | Apr 21 15:00 |
| mib_2rsk5m | read above ;) | Apr 21 15:00 |
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| oiaohm | ethics of IRC don't demard consistent. | Apr 21 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Even changing you username for a joke is considered normal. | Apr 21 15:01 |
| mib_2rsk5m | If you still dont get it, I'll try to be more plastic for with me stopping right in the middle of th ... | Apr 21 15:02 |
| oiaohm | I did not get IRC at first either mib_2rsk5m | Apr 21 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Its normal to expect you chats to be recorded in IRC. | Apr 21 15:03 |
| oiaohm | IRC protocal is not encrypted. | Apr 21 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Everything said in IRC is just as open as if it writen on a postcard. | Apr 21 15:03 |
| oiaohm | You should never talk in IRC with the idea anything you are saying is private. | Apr 21 15:04 |
| oiaohm | If you want to talk truly private you use encryption. | Apr 21 15:05 |
| oiaohm | http://www.bash.org/?latest Besided they could have always ended up published here mib_2rsk5m | Apr 21 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Its IRC wild west. Leave a lot of rules at the door. | Apr 21 15:07 |
| oiaohm | After ending up on bash.org for something really stupid I think you would want to change your username too mib_2rsk5m | Apr 21 15:10 |
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| oiaohm | Ok there is the warped one who is proud about there bash.org entry. | Apr 21 15:13 |
| oiaohm | By the way one of the most popular IRC names mib_2rsk5m to be registered is anything linked to annomous. any make up of that word. | Apr 21 15:15 |
| oiaohm | User who has a registered name can remove anyone found using that name. | Apr 21 15:15 |
| schestowitz | I could use help with this new page: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.p... | Apr 21 15:27 |
| schestowitz | I just put it together quickly | Apr 21 15:27 |
| oiaohm | Game engines how many do you want. | Apr 21 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: the more the merrier :-) | Apr 21 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully blender web brower plugin will return. | Apr 21 15:35 |
| schestowitz | As long as it ain't for Windows/.NET | Apr 21 15:35 |
| oiaohm | http://www.jmonkeyengine.com/ I also should have asked how warped. | Apr 21 15:36 |
| oiaohm | http://www.fisixengine.com/ | Apr 21 15:37 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ogre3d.org/ | Apr 21 15:37 |
| oiaohm | http://www.crystalspace3d.org/main/Main_Page | Apr 21 15:38 |
| oiaohm | And blender.org of course. | Apr 21 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: nice looking homepage | Apr 21 15:39 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_... | Apr 21 15:39 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of them. | Apr 21 15:39 |
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| oiaohm | those are my favorites. | Apr 21 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | Symantec buys Mi5 < http://www.theinquirer.net/inqu... > | Apr 21 15:41 |
| MinceR | my favorite is the cube2 engine :) | Apr 21 15:43 |
| oiaohm | http://sauerbraten.org/ | Apr 21 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes it fun too. | Apr 21 15:44 |
| MinceR | it allows multiplayer realtime level-editing :) | Apr 21 15:44 |
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| oiaohm | Blender has always been better for fast prototyping. | Apr 21 15:47 |
| oiaohm | When improved logic comes to blender I basically will not touch cube2 for anything other than sometime gaming. | Apr 21 15:47 |
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| MinceR | it would be useful even in gaming | Apr 21 15:48 |
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| Eruaran | FUD from Joe Wilcox | Apr 21 15:57 |
| Eruaran | http://www.eweek.com/index.php?op... | Apr 21 15:57 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Apr 21 16:11 | |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: he's pro-Microsoft | Apr 21 16:11 |
| Eruaran | hi Roy | Apr 21 16:12 |
| Eruaran | yes, he's clearly a shill | Apr 21 16:12 |
| schestowitz | "I'm a huge fan of guerrilla marketing." Joe Wilcox, Microsoft Fan | Apr 21 16:12 |
| Eruaran | The content of his article is just ridiculous | Apr 21 16:12 |
| Eruaran | He says Java is about containment | Apr 21 16:13 |
| Eruaran | I'm like, what the ? | Apr 21 16:13 |
| Eruaran | He says Microsoft has successfully marginalised Java | Apr 21 16:13 |
| Eruaran | Like what ? | Apr 21 16:13 |
| Eruaran | And then, in the next breath | Apr 21 16:13 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Apr 21 16:14 |
| schestowitz | " Microsoft already has successfully marginalized Java. " | Apr 21 16:14 |
| Eruaran | He carries on as if its a huge threat... If it was marginalised, it wouldn't be a threat | Apr 21 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Just ignore the ignorasmus | Apr 21 16:14 |
| Eruaran | he doesn't even make sense | Apr 21 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Slog | Apr 21 16:14 |
| Eruaran | And there's the claim in the article about Windows server enjoying double digit growth for the past 5 years | Apr 21 16:15 |
| Eruaran | Complete rubbish | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | It's people like him who would emit 'articles' like "java is dead" | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | [Java is still #1 PL] | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: haha | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Whose numbers? | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | IDC? | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft PAID for these numbers | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I have the document | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I saw the receipts | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | So we know | Apr 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft bought some kind of a twilight zone of illusions | Apr 21 16:16 |
| Eruaran | A couple of years ago Windows servers growth was 6% while Linux was 26% and described by an article I read back then as a market that was "white hot" | Apr 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | It also paid gartner to invent the "TCO" nonsense | Apr 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | All of these figures came from Microsoft | Apr 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Under the question, "which things to count to make us look like leaders?" | Apr 21 16:16 |
| Eruaran | Wilcox gives the impression that Unix sysadmins are switching to Windows | Apr 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Same with Netcradt, NPD... | Apr 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Wilcox is from JupiterResearch | Apr 21 16:16 |
| Eruaran | I mean seriously, you gotta be kidding | Apr 21 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | So he used to be paid by them to lie | Apr 21 16:17 |
| Eruaran | aha | Apr 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | He admitted this | Apr 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | That NPD is paid to SELL numbers | Apr 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Not to conduct real usrveys | Apr 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | He wrote this | Apr 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Which is funny cause he worked on MS contracts | Apr 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Meaning he was doing this | Apr 21 16:17 |
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| Eruaran | maybe I should leave a comment | Apr 21 16:17 |
| Eruaran | "Jupiter Research says Hi" | Apr 21 16:18 |
| Eruaran | "your credibility says, "bye!"" | Apr 21 16:18 |
| Eruaran | Like that crim guy on the Simpsons | Apr 21 16:18 |
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| Eruaran | who always says "Bye!" with that voice as he takes off | Apr 21 16:19 |
| Balrog | hi Eruaran and schestowitz | Apr 21 16:22 |
| Eruaran | hi Balrog | Apr 21 16:22 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 21 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, that thug | Apr 21 16:22 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 21 16:23 |
| Eruaran | I have left a comment on eWeek | Apr 21 16:27 |
| Eruaran | couldnt resist | Apr 21 16:27 |
| Balrog | url? | Apr 21 16:28 |
| Eruaran | http://www.eweek.com/showblog/5... | Apr 21 16:28 |
| Eruaran | The guy deserves every bit of ridicule he gets | Apr 21 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Some people feed him. | Apr 21 16:30 |
| schestowitz | it's good for Ziff Davis | Apr 21 16:30 |
| Balrog | he's known for this | Apr 21 16:30 |
| schestowitz | That's who he works for now | Apr 21 16:31 |
| schestowitz | April 2009: Microsoft Pays Ziff Davis to Promote Windows Vista < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04... > | Apr 21 16:31 |
| schestowitz | More: http://www.google.com/search?q=... | Apr 21 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Follow the money. It's simpler than people are led to believe | Apr 21 16:32 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Apr 21 16:33 |
| Eruaran | customers are not keen on W7 | Apr 21 16:33 |
| Eruaran | As soon as they realise its basically "Nu Vista", the look on their faces says it all | Apr 21 16:34 |
| Balrog | heh ... people I know who tried it don't think that way :( | Apr 21 16:34 |
| Balrog | though many who have tried it still don't like it that much | Apr 21 16:35 |
| *zer0c00l agrees with Balrog | Apr 21 16:35 | |
| Eruaran | its perception | Apr 21 16:35 |
| zer0c00l | i today asked a sysadmin abt w7 | Apr 21 16:35 |
| Eruaran | doesn't matter if its an improvement or not | Apr 21 16:35 |
| Eruaran | I'll be glad when the phony war is over | Apr 21 16:36 |
| Balrog | those who haven't tried it think it's better than anything else .... some say they'll switch from Mac OS to W7 (on the mac forums) ... those will be disappointed .... lol | Apr 21 16:36 |
| zer0c00l | that syadmin is another victim of micorsoft marketing | Apr 21 16:36 |
| Balrog | yes, in most places | Apr 21 16:36 |
| Eruaran | we're expecting an upswing in requests for Ubuntu systems here | Apr 21 16:36 |
| Eruaran | It's got traction | Apr 21 16:37 |
| Eruaran | If you say "Linux" people still aren't sure | Apr 21 16:37 |
| Eruaran | If you say "Ubuntu" you often get one of these: :D | Apr 21 16:37 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Apr 21 16:38 |
| Eruaran | see | Apr 21 16:38 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 21 16:38 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Apr 21 16:38 |
| zer0c00l | ubuntu guys made things easier :) | Apr 21 16:38 |
| Balrog | yes, | Apr 21 16:39 |
| Eruaran | One of our customers rang yesterday | Apr 21 16:42 |
| Eruaran | He's an Ubuntu guy | Apr 21 16:42 |
| Eruaran | We only hear from him when he wants to buy stuff | Apr 21 16:43 |
| Eruaran | He's looking at netbooks | Apr 21 16:43 |
| Eruaran | He's going on a European tour so he wants something to take, with Ubuntu of course | Apr 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: big Ubuntu deal coming | Apr 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | subbnotebooks | Apr 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | MarkS talked about it | Apr 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | No details yet | Apr 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Big OEM though | Apr 21 16:44 |
| Eruaran | on his blog ? | Apr 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Nope. | Apr 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Phone I think | Apr 21 16:44 |
| Eruaran | ah k | Apr 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I could track it down | Apr 21 16:44 |
| Eruaran | sounds interesting | Apr 21 16:44 |
| Eruaran | I had to go to hospital today | Apr 21 16:45 |
| Eruaran | All their computer systems are Sun | Apr 21 16:45 |
| Eruaran | :D | Apr 21 16:45 |
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| Balrog | heh. I wonder what will happen to Sun / Java / MySQL now that Oracle has it .... | Apr 21 16:46 |
| Eruaran | From across the hall you can easily mistake a Sun system for a Windows one | Apr 21 16:46 |
| Eruaran | But then you go, "uh, that start button isn't a start button" | Apr 21 16:46 |
| Eruaran | "its got a Sun logo on it" | Apr 21 16:46 |
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| Eruaran | Nice to know their systems aren't running crappy software ;) | Apr 21 16:48 |
| Eruaran | thin client stuff | Apr 21 16:49 |
| Eruaran | Sun Ray panels on walls and things | Apr 21 16:49 |
| Eruaran | http://au.sun.com/sunnews/suc... | Apr 21 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | FOSS increasingly emerges as victorious against Microsoft et al: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... | Apr 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Solaris runs in many places | Apr 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Oracle will replace it with Unbreakable or something | Apr 21 17:01 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: hopefully Oracle would make Solaris dual GPL / CDDL | Apr 21 17:02 |
| Balrog | maybe gpl v2 or later :) | Apr 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Some application is leaking RAM here. | Apr 21 17:03 |
| Eruaran | Barwon Health is using Solaris 10 | Apr 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I think I know what it is. | Apr 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | What statements have come out of Oracle so far? | Apr 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I got the impression it was eerily silent | Apr 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Like Nemesis coming for a visit with an axe, with a cape even. | Apr 21 17:05 |
| Eruaran | I haven't heard anyting | Apr 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Oh, here is the official response: | Apr 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/wa... | Apr 21 17:06 |
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| Eruaran | Microsoft keeps losing those court cases | Apr 21 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... | Apr 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz | It's strange that some daily links get PageRank 4: http://boycottnovell.com/... | Apr 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Also, our Netcraft rank just rose to 2000th | Apr 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, one of the few Linux sites that do better is Groklaw | Apr 21 17:13 |
| Balrog | cool. | Apr 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Cloudisation of the 'desktop': http://www.openqrm.com/?q=node/147 | Apr 21 17:15 |
| Eruaran | Roy did you cover the patent case M$ lost against Uniloc ? | Apr 21 17:15 |
| schestowitz | We have some problems with site comments | Apr 21 17:15 |
| schestowitz | There are some errors with a plugin | Apr 21 17:15 |
| schestowitz | So some people can't comment | Apr 21 17:15 |
| schestowitz | About Wiki, I got this hours ago: "Applause Applause Applause!!! BN is looking bee-ew-tee-full! " | Apr 21 17:15 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Apr 21 17:15 |
| schestowitz | "I tried to leave an "idea" comment yesterday but for some reason I couldn't submit it. I kept getting an error saying my answer to the anti-spam question was wrong. lol the question was what is 2+8...I put 10, but it said I was incorrect, so I typed "ten" and still got the error. I'm apparently more math-challenged than I realized. :o)" | Apr 21 17:16 |
| Eruaran | heh | Apr 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I'll do a lot of hacking on the Wiki in June. | Apr 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz | 1.5 months from now when summer starts and news is abated | Apr 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz | ""I tried to leave an "idea" comment yesterday but for some reason I couldn't submit it. I kept getting an error saying my answer to the anti-spam question was wrong. lol the question was what is 2+8...I put 10, but it said I was incorrect, so I typed "ten" and still got the error. I'm apparently more math-challenged than I realized. :o)" | Apr 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz | OOPS | Apr 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz | "Anyway, the reorganization of BN is very nice. I about fell out of my chair this morning when the page opened up. You must have worked all night!! " | Apr 21 17:17 |
| Eruaran | M$ had to pay out $533 million AUD to Uniloc | Apr 21 17:17 |
| Eruaran | For stealing their proprietary software stuff | Apr 21 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I should really avoid getting bogged down... It's addictive :-) In general, the priorities are set wrong. | Apr 21 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, I heard | Apr 21 17:17 |
| schestowitz | And another AU company | Apr 21 17:18 |
| schestowitz | CSIRO or something | Apr 21 17:18 |
| Eruaran | yes | Apr 21 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Not just MS | Apr 21 17:18 |
| Eruaran | CSIRO isn't really a company though | Apr 21 17:18 |
| schestowitz | HP also, but I think it's ongoing | Apr 21 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, I know | Apr 21 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Goverment thing, IIRC | Apr 21 17:18 |
| schestowitz | BT has patents too | Apr 21 17:18 |
| schestowitz | sw pats in India even | Apr 21 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Tools for colonialisation | Apr 21 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Some countries given access to so-called IP so that resources that 'happen' to be underneath them (like a sea of oil) can be imported to enrich others. | Apr 21 17:19 |
| schestowitz | It's amazing how much development is dependent on supply of / cheap/ oil. Food also. | Apr 21 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Oil->Food. | Apr 21 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Oil->automation | Apr 21 17:20 |
| schestowitz | In many countries you spend days hand-washing clothes and chasing food/water | Apr 21 17:20 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, using classes :-P | Apr 21 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Energy can resolve this and advance some countries at expense of others | Apr 21 17:20 |
| Eruaran | I heard somewhere the situation with Iran has nothing to do with Nukes | Apr 21 17:20 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: which classes? | Apr 21 17:21 |
| Eruaran | Its all about gas | Apr 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: it never did | Apr 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | They had no problem with people | Apr 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Not even with the Nazis | Apr 21 17:21 |
| Eruaran | Iran wants to pipline gas to other countries, including Europe | Apr 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | But in 1953 a British oil companies saw Iran wanting to control its resources | Apr 21 17:21 |
| trmanco | $oil = new oiler (); $oil->food(); $oil->gas(); !$oil->nomoney(); :-P | Apr 21 17:21 |
| trmanco | just kidding | Apr 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | So they overthrew a government with the USian help | Apr 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | That's well documented | Apr 21 17:21 |
| Eruaran | yes | Apr 21 17:21 |
| trmanco | you made me remind of php classes, that's all | Apr 21 17:22 |
| schestowitz | But buried by presidents that refuse to talk about it | Apr 21 17:22 |
| schestowitz | It happened again later | Apr 21 17:22 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I see. Well, it's polymorphic | Apr 21 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Oil is the key to a lot of things from transportation to bargaining over who works for who | Apr 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | The US now controls the spiggot in the world's 2ns biggest oil resource | Apr 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | And it has no intention of leaving | Apr 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | There's concrete and steel in the ground | Apr 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | The country hardly has anoueh emetricity | Apr 21 17:23 |
| Eruaran | If I was Irans president I'd be trying to get a gas pipeline to Europe on the fast track | Apr 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | But the US has bases with cinemas, swimming pools, etc | Apr 21 17:23 |
| Eruaran | there's money to be made | Apr 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: to tell you the truth, I hope they exchange dollars for Euros | Apr 21 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Though that might make the US go ballistic, literally | Apr 21 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Let me get you a lecture on history of coups | Apr 21 17:24 |
| Eruaran | The RBA started buying Euro's years ago | Apr 21 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | This man summarises his book on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N... | Apr 21 17:25 |
| Eruaran | RBA (Reserve Bank of Australia) | Apr 21 17:25 |
| Eruaran | I'm glad the RBA isn't like the US Federal Reserve | Apr 21 17:26 |
| Eruaran | owned by some private cabal | Apr 21 17:27 |
| Eruaran | They have to get a bill passed just so they can properly audit them | Apr 21 17:27 |
| Eruaran | what a joke | Apr 21 17:27 |
| schestowitz | They could be daemonised and thrown out ;-p | Apr 21 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Prolly[sic] not in Aussie | Apr 21 17:28 |
| schestowitz | US is not ready to invade English-speaking nations. | Apr 21 17:28 |
| schestowitz | A lot of coups come from businesses like Microsoft or United Fruit company | Apr 21 17:29 |
| schestowitz | South African has Microsoft pull a banana republic on it | Apr 21 17:29 |
| schestowitz | France also | Apr 21 17:29 |
| schestowitz | MS sent its cronies over there to change policies on ODF and FOSS | Apr 21 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Shock and Awe{tm} is paralleled to "The Slog" (Microsoft) in a sense | Apr 21 17:30 |
| schestowitz | CNET/CBS and CNN joined forces a while ago and they promote the Microsoft party line, still. Latest example: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/pte... | Apr 21 17:32 |
| Eruaran | http://www.youtube.co... | Apr 21 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Scientist Hawking 'very ill' < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/scienc... >. I lost respect for him because of patent uber-troll Nahtan Myhrvold. | Apr 21 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: A lot of US budget is secret | Apr 21 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Some comes from debt (China) | Apr 21 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Funnelled into nuclear programmes too | Apr 21 17:35 |
| Eruaran | That clip is not about the US federal budget though | Apr 21 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Watch professor Chalmers Johnson, who is spilling the beans on the military complex: http://www.youtube.com/results?search... | Apr 21 17:36 |
| schestowitz | As regards budgets going nowhere, see what happened with Halliburton. Lots of black holes. They had a party with money spend on "'War' in Iraq" | Apr 21 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Money that was intended to build bridges (they the US demolished) went missing -- somewhere else | Apr 21 17:37 |
| Eruaran | Its about the US Federal Reserve loaning trillions of dollars to unknown banks where the terms of those loans are unknown and not subject to the oversight of Congress (they have to get a Bill passed just to get the right to audit the bastards) | Apr 21 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Fox and henhouse | Apr 21 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: haven't watched the whole vid yet | Apr 21 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Still at min1 | Apr 21 17:37 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: its great | Apr 21 17:38 |
| Eruaran | the senator fires up and has a go at Bernanke | Apr 21 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Who is this "BERNANKE"? | Apr 21 17:38 |
| schestowitz | I saw his face before | Apr 21 17:39 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | Some American Bank exec I think | Apr 21 17:39 |
| Eruaran | He's the guy in charge of the US Federal Reserve | Apr 21 17:39 |
| Eruaran | chariman | Apr 21 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I seee... | Apr 21 17:40 |
| Eruaran | he effectively has control of the money | Apr 21 17:40 |
| schestowitz | The next pretender after Grenspan | Apr 21 17:40 |
| schestowitz | They should be frank and say it's the brink of benkrupcy | Apr 21 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Like the old Soviet Union | Apr 21 17:40 |
| schestowitz | It's better to go banklrupt than ballistic | Apr 21 17:40 |
| schestowitz | as Chalmers Johnson might say.. | Apr 21 17:40 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | Yeah. | Apr 21 17:40 |
| schestowitz | This way there is no capacity to do too much damage | Apr 21 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Same with Microsoft (nudging it on topic) | Apr 21 17:41 |
| schestowitz | They can't harm FOSS much now | Apr 21 17:41 |
| schestowitz | They are not with much means | Apr 21 17:41 |
| schestowitz | No more than SCO | Apr 21 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Today I saw a "I'm a PC" ad for the first time | Apr 21 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Pathetic | Apr 21 17:41 |
| schestowitz | MS is using 8yo kids to market an OS | Apr 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | They are too ashamed to even show Windows | Apr 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Just "PC" | Apr 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Linux runs on PCs | Apr 21 17:42 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | Re CIPAV - if you aren't vulnerable to it, you are regarded as a possible threat. | Apr 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | And to associate some little girl with Microsoft is sick IMHO | Apr 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | The_Mad_Hatter: well, I say "bring it own[sic]" :-) | Apr 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch... | Apr 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | 'Bush Regrets Saying "Bring 'em on"' | Apr 21 17:43 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | Just wanted to mention that - I'm trying to remember where I read it, and can't. | Apr 21 17:44 |
| schestowitz | The_Mad_Hatter: is it not common knowledge? :-) | Apr 21 17:45 |
| schestowitz | There's this funny banner I can find.. | Apr 21 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Found it: http://news.cnet.com/830... | Apr 21 17:46 |
| schestowitz | China isn't stupid. It's running away from US patents and makes its own codecs: http://www.interfax.com/4/488956/news.aspx | Apr 21 17:49 |
| Balrog | why not use ogg vorbis / theora? | Apr 21 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, too many codecs out there | Apr 21 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Many infected by fee burdens | Apr 21 17:52 |
| Balrog | I know. but why does China have to make their own when good free codecs exist? | Apr 21 17:52 |
| _boo_ | it's always good to have smth of your own | Apr 21 17:53 |
| Balrog | hrm that's bad for interoperability. | Apr 21 17:54 |
| _boo_ | you can make anything with it | Apr 21 17:54 |
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