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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/05/21/personal-abuse-from-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-63791</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, smears against individuals are well documented, e.g.:

&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08/02/massachusetts-ooxml/&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08/02/massachusetts-ooxml/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peter Quinn&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/03/ad-hominem-smear-campaign-india/&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/03/ad-hominem-smear-campaign-india/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Microsoft Smear Campaigns in India: Watch and Be Disgusted&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/20/india-shoots-down-moox/&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/20/india-shoots-down-moox/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OOXML Defeated Easily in India; Microsoft in Hot Water in New Zealand Over Smear Campaign&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/03/smear-campaign-reminder/&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/03/smear-campaign-reminder/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“If you Can&#039;t Deny the Truth, Run a Smear Campaign” (Updated)&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/25/ms-bullying-intimidation-smears/&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/25/ms-bullying-intimidation-smears/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bullying, Intimidation and Smears, Courtesy of Microsoft&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/16/odf-smear-campaign/&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/16/odf-smear-campaign/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Microsoft Launches “Get the Facts”-esque Smear Campaign Against ODF and OOXML&#039;s Critics&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/12/have-lots-of-sun-smearing/&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/12/have-lots-of-sun-smearing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Smear Campaign Against Boycott Novell (Updated)&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;


&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cypherpunks.to/%7Epeter/zdnet.html&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://www.cypherpunks.to/~peter/zdnet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Windows DRM: A Response to the Disinformation&lt;/a&gt; (Peter Gutmann)
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/01/24/Mixup&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/01/24/Mixup&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Life Is Complicated&lt;/a&gt; (Tim Bray)

&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050509145744287&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050509145744287&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Intimidation&lt;/a&gt; (Pamela Jones)
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050512132312302&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050512132312302&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ethics&lt;/a&gt; (Pamela Jones)
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080318151252279&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080318151252279&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Microsoft Slur in the OOXML Saga -- Did I Tell You or Did I Tell You?&lt;/a&gt; (Mathew Holloway)
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E4DE1539F930A2575BC0A96F958260&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E4DE1539F930A2575BC0A96F958260&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Microsoft Says Worker Wrote Smear of Rival&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, smears against individuals are well documented, e.g.:</p>
<ul>
<li> <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08/02/massachusetts-ooxml/" class="external text" title="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08/02/massachusetts-ooxml/" rel="nofollow">Peter Quinn</a>
</li>
<li> <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/03/ad-hominem-smear-campaign-india/" class="external text" title="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/03/ad-hominem-smear-campaign-india/" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Smear Campaigns in India: Watch and Be Disgusted</a>
</li>
<li> <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/20/india-shoots-down-moox/" class="external text" title="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/20/india-shoots-down-moox/" rel="nofollow">OOXML Defeated Easily in India; Microsoft in Hot Water in New Zealand Over Smear Campaign</a>
</li>
<li> <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/03/smear-campaign-reminder/" class="external text" title="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/03/smear-campaign-reminder/" rel="nofollow">“If you Can&#8217;t Deny the Truth, Run a Smear Campaign” (Updated)</a>
</li>
<li> <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/25/ms-bullying-intimidation-smears/" class="external text" title="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/25/ms-bullying-intimidation-smears/" rel="nofollow">Bullying, Intimidation and Smears, Courtesy of Microsoft</a>
</li>
<li> <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/16/odf-smear-campaign/" class="external text" title="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/16/odf-smear-campaign/" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Launches “Get the Facts”-esque Smear Campaign Against ODF and OOXML&#8217;s Critics</a>
</li>
<li> <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/12/have-lots-of-sun-smearing/" class="external text" title="http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/12/have-lots-of-sun-smearing/" rel="nofollow">Smear Campaign Against Boycott Novell (Updated)</a>
</li>
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<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.cypherpunks.to/%7Epeter/zdnet.html" class="external text" title="http://www.cypherpunks.to/~peter/zdnet.html" rel="nofollow">Windows DRM: A Response to the Disinformation</a> (Peter Gutmann)
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/01/24/Mixup" class="external text" title="http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/01/24/Mixup" rel="nofollow">Life Is Complicated</a> (Tim Bray)
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050509145744287" class="external text" title="http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050509145744287" rel="nofollow">Intimidation</a> (Pamela Jones)
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<li><a href="http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050512132312302" class="external text" title="http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050512132312302" rel="nofollow">Ethics</a> (Pamela Jones)
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080318151252279" class="external text" title="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080318151252279" rel="nofollow">A Microsoft Slur in the OOXML Saga &#8212; Did I Tell You or Did I Tell You?</a> (Mathew Holloway)
</li>
<li><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E4DE1539F930A2575BC0A96F958260" class="external text" title="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E4DE1539F930A2575BC0A96F958260" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Says Worker Wrote Smear of Rival</a>
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		<title>By: Needs Sunlight</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/05/21/personal-abuse-from-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-63788</link>
		<dc:creator>Needs Sunlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, smear campaigns are common from MS.  

What @Butthead and @Chris failed to take into account was the difference between documented offenses listed here and the the name calling and other ad hominems coming from MS boosters.  Unfounded accusations and personal attacks are smears.  

It&#039;s possible for a company and a product line to suck.  Get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, smear campaigns are common from MS.  </p>
<p>What @Butthead and @Chris failed to take into account was the difference between documented offenses listed here and the the name calling and other ad hominems coming from MS boosters.  Unfounded accusations and personal attacks are smears.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible for a company and a product line to suck.  Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gentoo User</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/05/21/personal-abuse-from-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-63734</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentoo User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The person attacking Novell is a person, although he still uses the royal &quot;we&quot;, which is of course wrong - unless you&#039;re referring to your hanger-ons on IRC that glorify everything you do.

I&#039;m fuzzy on what you expected would happen when you crossed the line from &quot;Boycott this company because they have a deal with Microsoft, patents, etc&quot; to personal smears, gleeful predictions of layoffs and doom for the &lt;b&gt;people&lt;/b&gt; who work there.

Whatever happened to those massive Novell layoffs, btw? The ones that your &quot;informant&quot; told you about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The person attacking Novell is a person, although he still uses the royal &#8220;we&#8221;, which is of course wrong &#8211; unless you&#8217;re referring to your hanger-ons on IRC that glorify everything you do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fuzzy on what you expected would happen when you crossed the line from &#8220;Boycott this company because they have a deal with Microsoft, patents, etc&#8221; to personal smears, gleeful predictions of layoffs and doom for the <b>people</b> who work there.</p>
<p>Whatever happened to those massive Novell layoffs, btw? The ones that your &#8220;informant&#8221; told you about?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/05/21/personal-abuse-from-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-63733</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
BTW, I wouldn’t allow any comments on this site that like the ones above which are just angry attacks - as long as they are just stupid accusations without actual content or arguments, they are a waste of storage, IMHO.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The fact that unlike many other sites (e.g. Groklaw) we never censored anything is actually a strength. We hide nothing. The same goes for IRC where we tolerate some very abusive characters.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Keep on your good work - I am not always 100% your opinion, but it is very important to have a second voice together with Groklaw.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks. This weekend we&#039;ll try to sort out the remaining hosting issues. In the mean time we just try to keep out of trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
BTW, I wouldn’t allow any comments on this site that like the ones above which are just angry attacks &#8211; as long as they are just stupid accusations without actual content or arguments, they are a waste of storage, IMHO.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The fact that unlike many other sites (e.g. Groklaw) we never censored anything is actually a strength. We hide nothing. The same goes for IRC where we tolerate some very abusive characters.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Keep on your good work &#8211; I am not always 100% your opinion, but it is very important to have a second voice together with Groklaw.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks. This weekend we&#8217;ll try to sort out the remaining hosting issues. In the mean time we just try to keep out of trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: amd-linux</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/05/21/personal-abuse-from-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-63732</link>
		<dc:creator>amd-linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is Novell a person? Does it have feelings?&quot;

I hope not - he/she wouldn&#039;t feel good, as a once pretty bride now in the arms of ugly Sauron and dying....

BTW, I wouldn&#039;t allow any comments on this site that like the ones above which are just angry attacks - as long as they are just stupid accusations without actual content or arguments, they are a waste of storage, IMHO. If you answer or even publish them, you might encourage them.

Keep on your good work - I am not always 100% your opinion, but it is very important to have a second voice together with Groklaw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is Novell a person? Does it have feelings?&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope not &#8211; he/she wouldn&#8217;t feel good, as a once pretty bride now in the arms of ugly Sauron and dying&#8230;.</p>
<p>BTW, I wouldn&#8217;t allow any comments on this site that like the ones above which are just angry attacks &#8211; as long as they are just stupid accusations without actual content or arguments, they are a waste of storage, IMHO. If you answer or even publish them, you might encourage them.</p>
<p>Keep on your good work &#8211; I am not always 100% your opinion, but it is very important to have a second voice together with Groklaw.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/05/21/personal-abuse-from-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-63731</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Novell a person? Does it have feelings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Novell a person? Does it have feelings?</p>
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		<title>By: Butthead</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/05/21/personal-abuse-from-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-63730</link>
		<dc:creator>Butthead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://boycottnovell.com/?p=11148#comment-63730</guid>
		<description>Apparently, you fail to notice your site is a smear campaign against Novell. 

I think perhaps if you applied to yourself the rules you preach onto others, your site would not be here.

Toodles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, you fail to notice your site is a smear campaign against Novell. </p>
<p>I think perhaps if you applied to yourself the rules you preach onto others, your site would not be here.</p>
<p>Toodles.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/05/21/personal-abuse-from-novell/comment-page-1/#comment-63729</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear boy,

just let me say that I find it totally hilarious if you feel harassed cause of some &quot;smear campaign&quot; - after all &quot;smear campaign&quot; is how most people would classify this site.

However, regarding the &quot;fight the arguments, not the messenger&quot; topic: I think it is fair to say that it is a total waste of time to try to argue with you - which people proofed over and over right on this site. You are simply avoiding the point over and over and the one time I was bored enough to force you on it you even admitted that you have absolutely no intention to show the objective truth but simply your own strange POV.

So, how you can still expect people to &quot;argue&quot; with you is plain beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear boy,</p>
<p>just let me say that I find it totally hilarious if you feel harassed cause of some &#8220;smear campaign&#8221; &#8211; after all &#8220;smear campaign&#8221; is how most people would classify this site.</p>
<p>However, regarding the &#8220;fight the arguments, not the messenger&#8221; topic: I think it is fair to say that it is a total waste of time to try to argue with you &#8211; which people proofed over and over right on this site. You are simply avoiding the point over and over and the one time I was bored enough to force you on it you even admitted that you have absolutely no intention to show the objective truth but simply your own strange POV.</p>
<p>So, how you can still expect people to &#8220;argue&#8221; with you is plain beyond me.</p>
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