Comments on: Fedora Leaves Mono Out, OpenSUSE Has Second Thoughts, and So Should Ubuntu http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-2/#comment-65555 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:27:11 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65555 Some distributions like BLAG already do the same thing for the same reasons. Some distributions like BLAG already do the same thing for the same reasons.

]]> By: shlomil http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-2/#comment-65553 shlomil Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:18:10 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65553 I am the author of Ubuntu Hebrew Remix and blogged about these issues for a while: http://shlomil.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-you-probably-dont-want-to-get.html http://shlomil.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-thoughts-about-mono.html http://shlomil.blogspot.com/2009/02/sometimes-dog-will-bite-ms-sued-tomtom.html Although ,AFAIK, these SW patents are not applicable in Israel , I will consider removing Mono from my remix if Ubuntu keeps it just because I don't feel like being (even partially) responsible for one of the major drawbacks in Linux adoption in the future. I am the author of Ubuntu Hebrew Remix and blogged about these issues for a while:

http://shlomil.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-you-probably-dont-want-to-get.html
http://shlomil.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-thoughts-about-mono.html
http://shlomil.blogspot.com/2009/02/sometimes-dog-will-bite-ms-sued-tomtom.html

Although ,AFAIK, these SW patents are not applicable in Israel , I will consider removing Mono from my remix if Ubuntu keeps it just because I don’t feel like being (even partially) responsible for one of the major drawbacks in Linux adoption in the future.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65112 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:28:23 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65112 Yes, this one goes years back. "eet" is a pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/" rel="nofollow">abusive</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" rel="nofollow">Internet troll</a> that posts from <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/" title="The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities" rel="nofollow">open proxies and relays around the world</a>. Yes, this one goes years back. “eet” is a pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

]]> By: Robert Millan http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65109 Robert Millan Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:17:52 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65109 The obvious troll is obvious (and because of that, nobody feeds it) =) The obvious troll is obvious (and because of that, nobody feeds it) =)

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65101 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:57:31 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65101 It's not that simple. UNIX is not Windows. Windows is the properly of one 'master', whereas UNIX is UNIX. There is no one UNIX. Let's see how Microsoft reacts if ReactOS beats it at its own game. It’s not that simple. UNIX is not Windows. Windows is the properly of one ‘master’, whereas UNIX is UNIX. There is no one UNIX.

Let’s see how Microsoft reacts if ReactOS beats it at its own game.

]]> By: souskel http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65099 souskel Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:53:45 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65099 "If the point of Linux is just to produce a free Windows, we deserve to lose." But wasn't the whole point of GNU to provide a free compatible version of UNIX? That's how Linux displaced UNIX and brought freedom to the server. Surely the same strategy is not only tenable but necessary for the desktop. “If the point of Linux is just to produce a free Windows, we deserve to lose.”

But wasn’t the whole point of GNU to provide a free compatible version of UNIX? That’s how Linux displaced UNIX and brought freedom to the server. Surely the same strategy is not only tenable but necessary for the desktop.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65064 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:48:53 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65064 "Bang on the knee" is an understatement http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Jim_Allchin:_piss_on_Java About two weeks ago: http://hyperbored.com/steve-ballmers-brain-goes-chop-chop-chop/ “Bang on the knee” is an understatement

http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Jim_Allchin:_piss_on_Java

About two weeks ago:

http://hyperbored.com/steve-ballmers-brain-goes-chop-chop-chop/

]]> By: Needs Sunlight http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65063 Needs Sunlight Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:45:23 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65063 http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/06/business/technology-judge-likens-microsoft-s-effect-on-java-to-a-bang-on-the-knee.html http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/06/business/technology-judge-likens-microsoft-s-effect-on-java-to-a-bang-on-the-knee.html

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65061 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:38:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65061 Exactly. It's a migration/legacy tool, unlike Mono/MonoDevelop. Exactly. It’s a migration/legacy tool, unlike Mono/MonoDevelop.

]]> By: eet http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65060 eet Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:37:04 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65060 It seems Will wants to KEEP his F-Spot, Banshee and Gnome-Do... It seems Will wants to KEEP his F-Spot, Banshee and Gnome-Do…

]]> By: Needs Sunlight http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65057 Needs Sunlight Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:35:50 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65057 WINE is a re-implementation of the Windos API, such that there is one. It includes the documented and a fair amount of the undocumented crap. The success of Wine is an essay in how poorly MS products are actually documented, how poorly they work and how much effort MS spends to prevent third parties from developing anything at all. http://lwn.net/Articles/154451/ Wine is a fantastic piece of engineering, but would have been finished in months or weeks had MS actually documented its products. In spite of all that, it is an excellent bridge to freedom if one or two key apps is holding back a larger migration. Just be sure not to get bit on the ass by closed data formats. WINE is a re-implementation of the Windos API, such that there is one. It includes the documented and a fair amount of the undocumented crap. The success of Wine is an essay in how poorly MS products are actually documented, how poorly they work and how much effort MS spends to prevent third parties from developing anything at all.

http://lwn.net/Articles/154451/

Wine is a fantastic piece of engineering, but would have been finished in months or weeks had MS actually documented its products. In spite of all that, it is an excellent bridge to freedom if one or two key apps is holding back a larger migration. Just be sure not to get bit on the ass by closed data formats.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65055 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:33:57 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65055 It seems to be an AP article that expired. It seems to be an AP article that expired.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65054 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:33:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65054 That URL is broken. I was once shown how all the Linux articles in CNN vanish over time. That URL is broken. I was once shown how all the Linux articles in CNN vanish over time.

]]> By: Needs Sunlight http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65051 Needs Sunlight Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:30:58 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65051 deIcaza isn't "we", he's most actively demonstrated membership in "they" People who try to use .not in place of java are just plain stupid, gullible or malicious. Or maybe have a bit of all three characteristics. .not isn't even a quality copy of java. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/biztech/12/06/microsoft.sun.ap/index.html deIcaza isn’t “we”, he’s most actively demonstrated membership in “they”

People who try to use .not in place of java are just plain stupid, gullible or malicious. Or maybe have a bit of all three characteristics. .not isn’t even a quality copy of java.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/biztech/12/06/microsoft.sun.ap/index.html

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65048 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:30:10 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65048 Some say it's better to encourage existing software which has no roots in Mono. Gnote was an exception due to its position in GNOME. Some say it’s better to encourage existing software which has no roots in Mono. Gnote was an exception due to its position in GNOME.

]]> By: eet http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65043 eet Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:24:51 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65043 You have no idea about software development, have you? You have no idea about software development, have you?

]]> By: Will http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65041 Will Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:20:12 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65041 Re: F-Spot and the other mono infections, Gnome 3.0 is as good a chance as any to clean house. It has already begun with Gnote. It would be great if we could see developers rally to do the same thing to F-spot, Gnome Do, etc. Since Gnome 3.0 is still months away, there should be plenty of time to get things going in time, especially if the other projects grow at the pace Gnote did. Re: F-Spot and the other mono infections, Gnome 3.0 is as good a chance as any to clean house. It has already begun with Gnote. It would be great if we could see developers rally to do the same thing to F-spot, Gnome Do, etc. Since Gnome 3.0 is still months away, there should be plenty of time to get things going in time, especially if the other projects grow at the pace Gnote did.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65023 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:01:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65023 Wine is also very different from Mono. Wine is for running, Mono is for developing. It's a common misconception and vector of deception. Wine is also very different from Mono. Wine is for running, Mono is for developing. It’s a common misconception and vector of deception.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65019 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:58:55 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65019 It doesn't have the "Microsoft" logo? Why would Ximian favour it? Remember that Nat Friedman is a former Microsoft employee. It doesn’t have the “Microsoft” logo? Why would Ximian favour it? Remember that Nat Friedman is a former Microsoft employee.

]]> By: David Gerard http://techrights.org/2009/06/05/mono-monologue/comment-page-1/#comment-65018 David Gerard Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:58:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12477#comment-65018 *in general*, cross-platform is good for application robustness and quality. Particularly the huge leap between Unix and Windows, which are such utterly different beasts. Porting to a severely different platform is excellent for deep examination of your design assumptions and the problem space. As Roy notes, this one is a bit different in practice. *in general*, cross-platform is good for application robustness and quality. Particularly the huge leap between Unix and Windows, which are such utterly different beasts. Porting to a severely different platform is excellent for deep examination of your design assumptions and the problem space.

As Roy notes, this one is a bit different in practice.

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