Comments on: Ubuntu is Censoring Opposition to Mono by Default http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Yaro http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-66759 Yaro Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:41:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-66759 I switched to Arch largely for that reason, though largely because of PulseAudio. Mono sucks and if I ever install a Linux distro that installs it by default I remove it, but Mono, at least, doesn't cripple my sound. I was vocally against PA in the Ubuntu Forums and got banned for it. I run Arch with GNOME. No Mono or PA. GNOME itself has no real Mono encumbrances aside from a few extra apps. Oh, and a note to those who think that Mono is harmless, you need to brush up on Microsoft's history. They are notorious for tactics like this. I think the only reason Microsoft hasn't patent-trolled Mono and projects that use it is because it didn't take off as much as they hoped, likely because the vast majority of the FOSS community was smart enough not to use it. I switched to Arch largely for that reason, though largely because of PulseAudio. Mono sucks and if I ever install a Linux distro that installs it by default I remove it, but Mono, at least, doesn’t cripple my sound.

I was vocally against PA in the Ubuntu Forums and got banned for it.

I run Arch with GNOME. No Mono or PA. GNOME itself has no real Mono encumbrances aside from a few extra apps.

Oh, and a note to those who think that Mono is harmless, you need to brush up on Microsoft’s history. They are notorious for tactics like this. I think the only reason Microsoft hasn’t patent-trolled Mono and projects that use it is because it didn’t take off as much as they hoped, likely because the vast majority of the FOSS community was smart enough not to use it.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-66287 Roy Schestowitz Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:28:26 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-66287 David, We never censored anything in this site. In fact, in certain ways it works against us. David,

We never censored anything in this site. In fact, in certain ways it works against us.

]]> By: David "Lefty" Schlesinger http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-66274 David "Lefty" Schlesinger Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:27:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-66274 Freedom of speech "an all that crap" except when you disagree with it...? Wow. Just wow. Freedom of speech “an all that crap” except when you disagree with it…?

Wow. Just wow.

]]> By: David "Lefty" Schlesinger http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-66273 David "Lefty" Schlesinger Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:24:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-66273 Gosh, yeah, those darned open discussions! The world would be a much better place if people would just shut the heck up and be "free" the way you <i>tell </i>'em to. Gosh, yeah, those darned open discussions! The world would be a much better place if people would just shut the heck up and be “free” the way you tell ‘em to.

]]> By: eet http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-3/#comment-66245 eet Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:28:25 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-66245 You could always build your own, mono-free Linux distribution - it's free software. You could always build your own, mono-free Linux distribution – it’s free software.

]]> By: Gani Albany http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-3/#comment-66243 Gani Albany Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:58:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-66243 There should be little doubt that Microsoft's and Novell's pushing for Mono is subverting the Linux order. One of the first things I do when I install Ubuntu with gnome is to completely purge Mono from the system. Heaven forbid is this kind of freedom of choice is taken away from Linux users. There should be little doubt that Microsoft’s and Novell’s pushing for Mono is subverting the Linux order. One of the first things I do when I install Ubuntu with gnome is to completely purge Mono from the system. Heaven forbid is this kind of freedom of choice is taken away from Linux users.

]]> By: Vikram http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-3/#comment-65756 Vikram Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:03:49 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65756 I was a Suse and Open Suse user and loved it. I switched to Kubuntu after the Novell deal with the evil empire. I have raised the mono issue many times and found most people in the Ubuntu forums were very pro mono. I also found that Kubuntu was getting very little care and feeding from Canonical with lots of bugs and app crashes and the last staw was the upgrade to 9.04 which screwed up my laptops network. Finally switched to Mandriva 2009 - it was so easy to install and use (no pain with wireless networking ), drake config GUI tools that I installed it in my sisters and friends machine and they didnt need ANY handholding to switch to Linux. to cut my rambling short - never used Mono, dont need Mono and dont plan to install it as well. I was a Suse and Open Suse user and loved it. I switched to Kubuntu after the Novell deal with the evil empire.

I have raised the mono issue many times and found most people in the Ubuntu forums were very pro mono. I also found that Kubuntu was getting very little care and feeding from Canonical with lots of bugs and app crashes and the last staw was the upgrade to 9.04 which screwed up my laptops network.

Finally switched to Mandriva 2009 – it was so easy to install and use (no pain with wireless networking ), drake config GUI tools that I installed it in my sisters and friends machine and they didnt need ANY handholding to switch to Linux.

to cut my rambling short – never used Mono, dont need Mono and dont plan to install it as well.

]]> By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65728 Dan O'Brian Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:07:23 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65728 That's not what it looks like to anyone who has bothered to read the mailing-list threads. Canonical employees are arguing pro-Mono - you and your trolls are the only ones arguing against Mono. Are you sure you live in the real world, Roy? That’s not what it looks like to anyone who has bothered to read the mailing-list threads. Canonical employees are arguing pro-Mono – you and your trolls are the only ones arguing against Mono. Are you sure you live in the real world, Roy?

]]> By: Myfraudsoft http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-1/#comment-65687 Myfraudsoft Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:50:18 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65687 haha, I wonder why does microsoft hire only high school dropouts like you? haha, I wonder why does microsoft hire only high school dropouts like you?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65686 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:47:46 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65686 It's a tough situation to be honest. Ubuntu fosters open discussion, but this also means that Microsoft people must be listened to. ODF/OASIS suffered from the same problem. It’s a tough situation to be honest. Ubuntu fosters open discussion, but this also means that Microsoft people must be listened to. ODF/OASIS suffered from the same problem.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65685 Roy Schestowitz Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:45:01 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65685 "eet" has been trolling this Web site for 2 years. “eet” has been trolling this Web site for 2 years.

]]> By: Pete H. http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65682 Pete H. Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:13:01 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65682 Well, that was an articulate and informative argument for mono! Well, that was an articulate and informative argument for mono!

]]> By: Mark http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-3/#comment-65658 Mark Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:17:02 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65658 Just run Kubuntu. It is = Ubuntu - Mono - GNOME + KDE4. Problem solved. It has arguably better applications (Gwenview, Okular, Digikam, Amarok, VLC, Kdenlive, Kate, Kontact, Dolphin) and it runs faster too, as a bonus. Just run Kubuntu.

It is = Ubuntu – Mono – GNOME + KDE4.

Problem solved. It has arguably better applications (Gwenview, Okular, Digikam, Amarok, VLC, Kdenlive, Kate, Kontact, Dolphin) and it runs faster too, as a bonus.

]]> By: sankaran http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-1/#comment-65652 sankaran Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:48:35 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65652 it is real chance for Fedora 11 it is real chance for Fedora 11

]]> By: FreeBooteR http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65633 FreeBooteR Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:26:39 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65633 I might go the route of Arch. I like the idea of selecting what packages you want rather than getting junk shoved down your throat. If i wanted crap on my system i'd load windows. I might go the route of Arch. I like the idea of selecting what packages you want rather than getting junk shoved down your throat. If i wanted crap on my system i’d load windows.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65585 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:25:52 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65585 It's not "Ubuntu guys", it's a minority of cronies that captured a position at the top. Ubuntu guys want to get rid of Mono. It’s not “Ubuntu guys”, it’s a minority of cronies that captured a position at the top. Ubuntu guys want to get rid of Mono.

]]> By: a person http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65584 a person Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:19:46 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65584 I don't use Mono because of it's license, someone that think just a little bit, will not use Mono at all. In my Linux systems, if Mono is installed by default, the first thing I do is remove it. Ubuntu guys, you are crazy people, remove Mono and I will think again that Ubuntu deserves respect. I don’t use Mono because of it’s license, someone that think just a little bit, will not use Mono at all.

In my Linux systems, if Mono is installed by default, the first thing I do is remove it.

Ubuntu guys, you are crazy people, remove Mono and I will think again that Ubuntu deserves respect.

]]> By: eet http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65579 eet Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:42:58 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65579 Get it guys, YOU'RE BEING LED! You are falling for one crazy jerk's personal paranoia, which has go nothing to do with either reality, nor being a 'good Linux citizen'. Go read some serious Linux sites, not this piece of trash and pulp. Get it guys, YOU’RE BEING LED! You are falling for one crazy jerk’s personal paranoia, which has go nothing to do with either reality, nor being a ‘good Linux citizen’. Go read some serious Linux sites, not this piece of trash and pulp.

]]> By: Phil http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65562 Phil Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:23:10 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65562 Well this is good info to know. I did not realize the Ubuntu community was filled with Mono zealots. I guess I didn't notice since they seem to pop up anywhere Mono is not being praised. I often wonder how many of them are just noobs fresh out of college that are excited about Mono and C# only because they lack experience in the many other languages that do the same things or better. Any way Canonical and Ubuntu...read this....if you are going to support Mono I WILL SWITCH!!. I have been taking looks at Debian recently anyway. Or better yet I hope someone does a downstream mono free distro. Even if mono wasn't tied into patents I'd get tired of the ridiculous zealotry around it anyway. Well this is good info to know. I did not realize the Ubuntu community was filled with Mono zealots. I guess I didn’t notice since they seem to pop up anywhere Mono is not being praised. I often wonder how many of them are just noobs fresh out of college that are excited about Mono and C# only because they lack experience in the many other languages that do the same things or better.

Any way Canonical and Ubuntu…read this….if you are going to support Mono I WILL SWITCH!!. I have been taking looks at Debian recently anyway. Or better yet I hope someone does a downstream mono free distro. Even if mono wasn’t tied into patents I’d get tired of the ridiculous zealotry around it anyway.

]]> By: reya276 http://techrights.org/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/comment-page-2/#comment-65552 reya276 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:17:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12656#comment-65552 The real question should be; Why isn't Canonical doing something about this issue? Honestly these Mono advocates should stick to windows and stay the F........out of Ubuntu or any other FOSS OS. They clearly have no good intentions towards FOSS. So why is Canonical just standing by and letting this kind of Sh......happen. Oh wait let me guess they don't get involved in community business although this is happening in the main Ubuntu forums. Yeah yeah freedom of speech an all that crap but if this is going to hurt the community and Ubuntu then they need to be silenced. The real question should be; Why isn’t Canonical doing something about this issue? Honestly these Mono advocates should stick to windows and stay the F……..out of Ubuntu or any other FOSS OS. They clearly have no good intentions towards FOSS. So why is Canonical just standing by and letting this kind of Sh……happen. Oh wait let me guess they don’t get involved in community business although this is happening in the main Ubuntu forums. Yeah yeah freedom of speech an all that crap but if this is going to hurt the community and Ubuntu then they need to be silenced.

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