Comments on: Signs of Mono Unrest, Legal Issues http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: suresh http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-2/#comment-66690 suresh Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:18:47 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66690 As RMS pointed out, there are many ideas that are patented. But the same issue with M$ needs to be seen under different light. Because, 1. They monopolize every field they enter into and use any means at their disposal. 2. They see FLOSS as the greatest threat to their monopoly. 3. Their ugly track record vis-à-vis many free software implementations. Latest eg. FAT-LFN. 4. They now process enormous reach(financial, political, business-wise etc.) which can hamper the progress of FLOSS development even if it lasts for a temporary phase. So, as in the case of mono, there is no paranoia involved because the threat is right in front of you. As RMS pointed out, there are many ideas that are patented. But the same issue with M$ needs to be seen under different light. Because,

1. They monopolize every field they enter into and use any means at their disposal.

2. They see FLOSS as the greatest threat to their monopoly.

3. Their ugly track record vis-à-vis many free software implementations. Latest eg. FAT-LFN.

4. They now process enormous reach(financial, political, business-wise etc.) which can hamper the progress of FLOSS development even if it lasts for a temporary phase.

So, as in the case of mono, there is no paranoia involved because the threat is right in front of you.

]]> By: Omar Abdul-Hafez http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-2/#comment-66603 Omar Abdul-Hafez Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:21:04 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66603 @Chris Amazing how some people resort to cuss words when none of what they say actually makes sense. Just like RMS once said: "Idiots can be defeated, but they just never admit it." You guys are pathetic! @Chris

Amazing how some people resort to cuss words when none of what they say actually makes sense.

Just like RMS once said: “Idiots can be defeated, but they just never admit it.”

You guys are pathetic!

]]> By: Chris http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-2/#comment-66597 Chris Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:19:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66597 I still totally fail to see where you little wieners get the right to dictate what language people have to use. You don't like Mono? Simply don't use it ffs & stfu but stop nagging at people cause they choose a language you don't like to develop an application. Or simply recreate some Mono application you like in the language of your choice to avoid the "Mononono" .... But hey, we all know that wont happen since that would mean that you sad fuckers would have to do something productive. I still totally fail to see where you little wieners get the right to dictate what language people have to use.

You don’t like Mono? Simply don’t use it ffs & stfu but stop nagging at people cause they choose a language you don’t like to develop an application.

Or simply recreate some Mono application you like in the language of your choice to avoid the “Mononono” …. But hey, we all know that wont happen since that would mean that you sad fuckers would have to do something productive.

]]> By: Sabayon User (Sabayon == Gentoo, kthx) http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-1/#comment-66529 Sabayon User (Sabayon == Gentoo, kthx) Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:35:45 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66529 <blockquote>DOSsing BoycottNovell also doesn’t help</blockquote> So Joe Shields was responsible for that as well now? Nice. I can't believe you even post these things. And how about some disclosure about the fact that most of the no-name blogs you link to as "support" are operated by people who hang out on your chat room?

DOSsing BoycottNovell also doesn’t help

So Joe Shields was responsible for that as well now? Nice. I can’t believe you even post these things. And how about some disclosure about the fact that most of the no-name blogs you link to as “support” are operated by people who hang out on your chat room?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-1/#comment-66522 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:55:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66522 Gnote was idle. Gnote was idle.

]]> By: NotZed http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-1/#comment-66505 NotZed Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:25:18 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66505 .NET is pretty sucky - often when people rave about it you gotta wonder if they're in full command of their faculties, have enough experience to have a clue, or are merely paid to say nice things about it. I guess if you've never looked outside of the ms ecosystem it's a bit of a step up from visual basic and maybe that impresses a certain group of programmers. Anyway, I was going to laugh at the 'it only takes 1 mb' point. Wow, a whole notes application, in only 1 mb! Where did we go wrong? .NET is pretty sucky – often when people rave about it you gotta wonder if they’re in full command of their faculties, have enough experience to have a clue, or are merely paid to say nice things about it. I guess if you’ve never looked outside of the ms ecosystem it’s a bit of a step up from visual basic and maybe that impresses a certain group of programmers.

Anyway, I was going to laugh at the ‘it only takes 1 mb’ point.

Wow, a whole notes application, in only 1 mb!

Where did we go wrong?

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-1/#comment-66494 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:58:57 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66494 Worse -- they claim that RMS supports Mono. Worse — they claim that RMS supports Mono.

]]> By: vexorian http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-1/#comment-66487 vexorian Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:02:50 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66487 I like that RMS quote. Surprisingly after 2 years, the mono zealots still stick to arguments that are easily defeated by that quote. I like that RMS quote. Surprisingly after 2 years, the mono zealots still stick to arguments that are easily defeated by that quote.

]]> By: vexorian http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-1/#comment-66486 vexorian Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:02:04 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66486 OOP is never really truly necessary you know? Like Beranger I would oppose to Java as well if it was pushed in the default. I guess the Mono zealots would to. If you think about it, shipping Java apps in a main distro's default would outrage everyone. It would also happen if we shipped WINE apps in the default. Mono is not any different to these things, yet the zealots have managed to slowly get it into it. I guess it was all caused by Miguel Icaza's influence in gnome. There are tons of FOSS-originated ways to have OOP, I mean really. The KDE guys have OOP without having to stop making native apps... OOP is never really truly necessary you know?

Like Beranger I would oppose to Java as well if it was pushed in the default. I guess the Mono zealots would to. If you think about it, shipping Java apps in a main distro’s default would outrage everyone. It would also happen if we shipped WINE apps in the default. Mono is not any different to these things, yet the zealots have managed to slowly get it into it. I guess it was all caused by Miguel Icaza’s influence in gnome.

There are tons of FOSS-originated ways to have OOP, I mean really. The KDE guys have OOP without having to stop making native apps…

]]> By: Needs Sunlight http://techrights.org/2009/06/15/mono-unrest/comment-page-1/#comment-66439 Needs Sunlight Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:15:56 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=13142#comment-66439 Developers don't want Mono either. When Jo yammers about "developers" wanting Mono in distros he must be in some alternate universe where he is unable to see all questions and complaints about the technology and legal problems from developers around Microsoft's Johnny-come-lately copy of Java. "Mono developers" != all developers Berenger needs to keep up the good fight and not let the bastards wear him down: "If not me, then who: if not now, then when?" Hillel "The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing." Burke http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9911/15/search.engine.ms.idg/ Developers don’t want Mono either.

When Jo yammers about “developers” wanting Mono in distros he must be in some alternate universe where he is unable to see all questions and complaints about the technology and legal problems from developers around Microsoft’s Johnny-come-lately copy of Java. “Mono developers” != all developers

Berenger needs to keep up the good fight and not let the bastards wear him down:

“If not me, then who: if not now, then when?” Hillel

“The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.” Burke

http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9911/15/search.engine.ms.idg/

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