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	<title>Comments on: Revisionism with Stereotypes</title>
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		<title>By: G. Michaels</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-2/#comment-69585</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed, that&#039;s him as well. Digg, Reddit and Twitter (the service). Interesting, isn&#039;t it? I also found another curious one on FSdaily called &quot;komrad&quot;.

It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;fascinating&lt;/i&gt; how this piddly blog has so many anonymous ardent supporters with strikingly similar behavior patterns. Just fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed, that&#8217;s him as well. Digg, Reddit and Twitter (the service). Interesting, isn&#8217;t it? I also found another curious one on FSdaily called &#8220;komrad&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s <i>fascinating</i> how this piddly blog has so many anonymous ardent supporters with strikingly similar behavior patterns. Just fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: eet</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69486</link>
		<dc:creator>eet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I will endeavor to avoid making such irresponsible statements in the future.&quot;

...and wouldn&#039;t we all like to believe (but can not) believe that.

&lt;font color=&quot;#ff0000&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Note&lt;/b&gt;: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abusive&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet troll&lt;/a&gt; that posts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/&quot; title=&quot;The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;open proxies and relays around the world&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I will endeavor to avoid making such irresponsible statements in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and wouldn&#8217;t we all like to believe (but can not) believe that.</p>
<p><font color="#ff0000"><b>Note</b>: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/" rel="nofollow">abusive</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" rel="nofollow">Internet troll</a> that posts from <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/27/eet-proxies/" title="The ‘eet’ Nuisance Has Many Proxies/Indentities" rel="nofollow">open proxies and relays around the world</a>.</font></p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69463</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the statement above and I&#039;ll add it the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the statement above and I&#8217;ll add it the post.</p>
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		<title>By: David "Lefty" Schlesinger</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69462</link>
		<dc:creator>David "Lefty" Schlesinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Roy, it&#039;s not satisfactory, since you neither retract the statements I objected to, nor do you apologize, nor do you even take any responsibility for any of this, attempting to foist the blame off on &quot;some readers&quot;.

Since you evidently need to be led by the nose here, the following is what you need to say:

&quot;I made statements that Mr. Schlesinger was attacking Richard Stallman over disagreements about Mono, rather than over Mr. Stallman&#039;s sexist remarks at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, as well as suggesting that he used false names. This was wrong of me. I retract these statements unreservedly and offer Mr. Schlesinger a full apology for having made them. I will endeavor to avoid making such irresponsible statements in the future.&quot;

if you want to settle this someplace other than inside a courtroom, that&#039;s how you&#039;re going to do it, Roy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Roy, it&#8217;s not satisfactory, since you neither retract the statements I objected to, nor do you apologize, nor do you even take any responsibility for any of this, attempting to foist the blame off on &#8220;some readers&#8221;.</p>
<p>Since you evidently need to be led by the nose here, the following is what you need to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;I made statements that Mr. Schlesinger was attacking Richard Stallman over disagreements about Mono, rather than over Mr. Stallman&#8217;s sexist remarks at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, as well as suggesting that he used false names. This was wrong of me. I retract these statements unreservedly and offer Mr. Schlesinger a full apology for having made them. I will endeavor to avoid making such irresponsible statements in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>if you want to settle this someplace other than inside a courtroom, that&#8217;s how you&#8217;re going to do it, Roy.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69459</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just &lt;a href=&quot;http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/13/correction-about-schlesinger/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted a correction&lt;/a&gt;. Please let me know if it requires modification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/13/correction-about-schlesinger/" rel="nofollow">posted a correction</a>. Please let me know if it requires modification.</p>
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		<title>By: David "Lefty" Schlesinger</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-1/#comment-69458</link>
		<dc:creator>David "Lefty" Schlesinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the irony of your summary, &quot;Burying the facts by discrediting their bearers&quot; when juxtaposed with your defamatory statements, is excruciating.

Physician, heal thyself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the irony of your summary, &#8220;Burying the facts by discrediting their bearers&#8221; when juxtaposed with your defamatory statements, is excruciating.</p>
<p>Physician, heal thyself!</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69457</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll post a retraction/clarification now, based on our discussion. I hope you&#039;ll find it satisfactory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll post a retraction/clarification now, based on our discussion. I hope you&#8217;ll find it satisfactory.</p>
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		<title>By: David "Lefty" Schlesinger</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69455</link>
		<dc:creator>David "Lefty" Schlesinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Roy, I&#039;m getting onto my flight home. If I don&#039;t see that apology and retraction by the time I get there, I&#039;ll be contacting legal counsel as well as anyone else whom i&#039;ve seen defamed on this site.

This isn&#039;t about Fink, it&#039;s about your shoddy and libellous &quot;reporting&quot;, so don&#039;t try that dodge. And don&#039;t suck up to me with nonsense about &quot;let&#039;s reason together, so give me your phone number&quot;. You want to talk, you can give me yours. Don&#039;t try to paint defamatory statements as &quot;editorials&quot;, after the fact. You post one thing here and say completely the converse in IRC, making it clear that you&#039;re duplicitous and not to be trusted. You may not enjoy what I say, but at least I have the virtue of consistency.

So, it&#039;s up to you, Roy. You can dig in your heels if you like, but if you do, count on me to do everything in my power to get it corrected to my satisfaction. And if that means taking it out of your hide, so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Roy, I&#8217;m getting onto my flight home. If I don&#8217;t see that apology and retraction by the time I get there, I&#8217;ll be contacting legal counsel as well as anyone else whom i&#8217;ve seen defamed on this site.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about Fink, it&#8217;s about your shoddy and libellous &#8220;reporting&#8221;, so don&#8217;t try that dodge. And don&#8217;t suck up to me with nonsense about &#8220;let&#8217;s reason together, so give me your phone number&#8221;. You want to talk, you can give me yours. Don&#8217;t try to paint defamatory statements as &#8220;editorials&#8221;, after the fact. You post one thing here and say completely the converse in IRC, making it clear that you&#8217;re duplicitous and not to be trusted. You may not enjoy what I say, but at least I have the virtue of consistency.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s up to you, Roy. You can dig in your heels if you like, but if you do, count on me to do everything in my power to get it corrected to my satisfaction. And if that means taking it out of your hide, so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: jermerlok</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69418</link>
		<dc:creator>jermerlok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. Gordon it is.</description>
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		<title>By: joo</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69417</link>
		<dc:creator>joo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Says the guy who calls a man named Gordon &quot;Geraldine&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Says the guy who calls a man named Gordon &#8220;Geraldine&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jermerlok</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69416</link>
		<dc:creator>jermerlok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Geraldine Michaels: You having fun being an instigator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Geraldine Michaels: You having fun being an instigator?</p>
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		<title>By: David "Lefty" Schlesinger</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69415</link>
		<dc:creator>David "Lefty" Schlesinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you blow it out your ear, Roy?

With the high level of ethical behavior you&#039;ve shown to date, you want me to give you my _phone number_? You must think I&#039;m as dumb as you act. No, I don&#039;t need my contact information shared around with your sockpuppet pals.

By the way, I&#039;ve seen the unedited IRC log. &quot;Scummy man&quot;, hm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you blow it out your ear, Roy?</p>
<p>With the high level of ethical behavior you&#8217;ve shown to date, you want me to give you my _phone number_? You must think I&#8217;m as dumb as you act. No, I don&#8217;t need my contact information shared around with your sockpuppet pals.</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve seen the unedited IRC log. &#8220;Scummy man&#8221;, hm?</p>
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		<title>By: AngryReader</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69412</link>
		<dc:creator>AngryReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My lawyers will be contacting all the preceding posters.
The dribble from this thread flowed down onto my keyboard causing it to malfunction. I have enlisted the services of the prestigious law firm Martin, Barton &amp; Fargo. Expect to hear from them soon.
Henceforth, forthwith the afore mentioned to whom it may concern !
Yours Sincerely,
Sue Yahassov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My lawyers will be contacting all the preceding posters.<br />
The dribble from this thread flowed down onto my keyboard causing it to malfunction. I have enlisted the services of the prestigious law firm Martin, Barton &amp; Fargo. Expect to hear from them soon.<br />
Henceforth, forthwith the afore mentioned to whom it may concern !<br />
Yours Sincerely,<br />
Sue Yahassov.</p>
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		<title>By: eet</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69411</link>
		<dc:creator>eet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Wriggle, wriggle, weep...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Wriggle, wriggle, weep&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-3/#comment-69408</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and he can resolve disputes without resorting to legal means. We spoke on the phone.

Why don&#039;t you come to IRC (or give me your phone number) so that we can talk things through? The culprit in this whole thing is somehow being left off the hook (&quot;Fink&quot;) when two of his victims waste each other&#039;s time arguing. It must be funny to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and he can resolve disputes without resorting to legal means. We spoke on the phone.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you come to IRC (or give me your phone number) so that we can talk things through? The culprit in this whole thing is somehow being left off the hook (&#8220;Fink&#8221;) when two of his victims waste each other&#8217;s time arguing. It must be funny to him.</p>
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		<title>By: joo</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-2/#comment-69407</link>
		<dc:creator>joo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NastyMicrosoft is on Reddit as well.</description>
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		<title>By: joo</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-2/#comment-69405</link>
		<dc:creator>joo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s made another Digg account under the name NastyMicrosoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s made another Digg account under the name NastyMicrosoft.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-2/#comment-69403</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
The so-called “leader of the free software movement” should not be driving people away from involvement in free software based on their gender. Do you think that’s a debateable proposition? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As much as I disagree with Stallman on this subject, I strongly believe he deserves his rights, including free speech. The debate that I speak about is us with him. Our goal is to convince him he was wrong. Imagine what if we denied people&#039;s right to speak rather than use it as a remedial opportunity to change their thoughts, not expression. In other words, rather than gag Stallman, let&#039;s  try to persuade him. Without him speaking openly, how would we know his mistakes?</description>
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The so-called “leader of the free software movement” should not be driving people away from involvement in free software based on their gender. Do you think that’s a debateable proposition?
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<p>As much as I disagree with Stallman on this subject, I strongly believe he deserves his rights, including free speech. The debate that I speak about is us with him. Our goal is to convince him he was wrong. Imagine what if we denied people&#8217;s right to speak rather than use it as a remedial opportunity to change their thoughts, not expression. In other words, rather than gag Stallman, let&#8217;s  try to persuade him. Without him speaking openly, how would we know his mistakes?</p>
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		<title>By: eet</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-2/#comment-69402</link>
		<dc:creator>eet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, here is the good, old pattern...

To quote myself:
&gt;When he realized he couldn’t get out of it by wriggling, as 
&gt;he does usually, he very, very demurely shrank back from
&gt;all his claims. As soon as real life barges in on his 
&gt;make-belief, virtual, paranoid world, he is just scared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, here is the good, old pattern&#8230;</p>
<p>To quote myself:<br />
&gt;When he realized he couldn’t get out of it by wriggling, as<br />
&gt;he does usually, he very, very demurely shrank back from<br />
&gt;all his claims. As soon as real life barges in on his<br />
&gt;make-belief, virtual, paranoid world, he is just scared.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/07/10/revisionism-with-stereotypes/comment-page-2/#comment-69401</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What have you to gain from legal harassment? Intimidation is for the feeble and litigation is for the impulsive.

If you want me to retract statements that are not correct, please let me know which ones are not correct and I will gladly retract in public. I&#039;m not here to fight or mislead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What have you to gain from legal harassment? Intimidation is for the feeble and litigation is for the impulsive.</p>
<p>If you want me to retract statements that are not correct, please let me know which ones are not correct and I will gladly retract in public. I&#8217;m not here to fight or mislead.</p>
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