Comments on: Mono Roundup: Microsoft Following, Deception, and the Moonlight ‘Extend’ Phase http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-2/#comment-70905 Yuhong Bao Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:30:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-70905 "At best, it could be described as “LGPLv2.1 with modifications”, but given that the LGPL explicitly prohibits “further restrictions”, and Moonlight’s license stipulates such a “further restriction” (the “immutable” clause), then I don’t really see how it can be truthfully described as LGPL software at all. Novell would be more honest if they described it as a “Microsoft EULA”, since that’s only one small step away from what it really is. " Yep, looks like software copyright vs software patents again. Basically they are using software patents to do what software copyright once did. “At best, it could be described as “LGPLv2.1 with modifications”, but given that the LGPL explicitly prohibits “further restrictions”, and Moonlight’s license stipulates such a “further restriction” (the “immutable” clause), then I don’t really see how it can be truthfully described as LGPL software at all. Novell would be more honest if they described it as a “Microsoft EULA”, since that’s only one small step away from what it really is. ”
Yep, looks like software copyright vs software patents again. Basically they are using software patents to do what software copyright once did.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69512 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:23:35 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69512 You're being just juvenile and off-topic. That's why there is no discussion. You’re being just juvenile and off-topic. That’s why there is no discussion.

]]> By: John Grimes http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69511 John Grimes Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:18:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69511 "Ignore!" it is on the Hubbard Scientology bible! Any critic to the behaivor of a Scientologist should be IGNORED. :) but, honestly, You just need to tell me, and I will stop coming back here! I will make easier for you, I will take you reply as a kick out, but a nice one, coming from a true believer on the goodness of the wolrd! okay! have a good life, Roy! ciao! “Ignore!” it is on the Hubbard Scientology bible! Any critic to the behaivor of a Scientologist should be IGNORED.

:)

but, honestly, You just need to tell me, and I will stop coming back here!

I will make easier for you, I will take you reply as a kick out, but a nice one, coming from a true believer on the goodness of the wolrd! okay!

have a good life, Roy!

ciao!

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69510 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:15:03 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69510 I get the message: it would be safe to just ignore you. I get the message: it would be safe to just ignore you.

]]> By: John Grimes http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69508 John Grimes Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:10:11 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69508 No, they already read satanic bible, mein kampf, and how to kill everything that is sacred, (secret book, by Steve Balmer)... It is too much already, Jedi! No, they already read satanic bible, mein kampf, and how to kill everything that is sacred, (secret book, by Steve Balmer)…

It is too much already, Jedi!

]]> By: John Grimes http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69507 John Grimes Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:08:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69507 Of course, Roy! MS is the Evil of this world! Keep the Church clean! Pure blood only! well, of couse, blogger$ pimping their free ideology with "nice", "compassionate" corporation ad$ it is okay! Of course, Roy!

MS is the Evil of this world!

Keep the Church clean! Pure blood only! well, of couse, blogger$ pimping their free ideology with “nice”, “compassionate” corporation ad$ it is okay!

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69505 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:04:52 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69505 Mono developers need a seminar to explain to them "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish." Mono developers need a seminar to explain to them “Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish.”

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69504 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:03:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69504 SCO was also 'developing' Linux before the lawsuit and Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam. That Microsoft link is for PR, confusion, dilution, invasion, and compromise of opposition through diffusion. SCO was also ‘developing’ Linux before the lawsuit and Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam. That Microsoft link is for PR, confusion, dilution, invasion, and compromise of opposition through diffusion.

]]> By: John Grimes http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69501 John Grimes Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:58:15 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69501 Roy, I know that you enjoy a holly war! :) but I am sorry, it is ridiculous. Recent I attend to a conference and the open-sourceness was more debated then the actualy software itself! Since I am here to entretain you! go check this: http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/default.aspx but BE CAREFULL it is a MICROSOFT link! Mr. Gates Vader might "PENETRATE" your system! :) Roy,

I know that you enjoy a holly war! :) but I am sorry, it is ridiculous. Recent I attend to a conference and the open-sourceness was more debated then the actualy software itself!

Since I am here to entretain you! go check this: http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/default.aspx

but BE CAREFULL it is a MICROSOFT link! Mr. Gates Vader might “PENETRATE” your system! :)

]]> By: John Grimes http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69497 John Grimes Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:50:06 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69497 Okay then, free-$oftware blogger$ then! "here where I am", it would be VERY interesting to debate legality of some open source initiative and their connection$ and lobby with elected official$! It is time to grow up. Nothing AT ALL against open source, but come on! You should be REALLY concerned you that are "there in the US". Do you think the # of software patents in China is decreasing? And India? Proprietary code is not Evil, per see. Okay then,

free-$oftware blogger$ then!

“here where I am”, it would be VERY interesting to debate legality of some open source initiative and their connection$ and lobby with elected official$!

It is time to grow up.
Nothing AT ALL against open source, but come on! You should be REALLY concerned you that are “there in the US”.

Do you think the # of software patents in China is decreasing? And India?

Proprietary code is not Evil, per see.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69495 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:42:11 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69495 <blockquote> Not sure where you live, but here in the US you’re free to refer to people how ever you wish, as long as it’s legal. </blockquote> From an article, about Linux folks: “I have a hard time seeing the Zealots as any different from terrorist… I strongly believe that if September 11 showed us anything, it was that zealots...” — Rob Enderle And later they try to call Linux users "zealots". Oh, the hypocrisy.

Not sure where you live, but here in the US you’re free to refer to people how ever you wish, as long as it’s legal.

From an article, about Linux folks:

“I have a hard time seeing the Zealots as any different from terrorist… I strongly believe that if September 11 showed us anything, it was that zealots…” — Rob Enderle

And later they try to call Linux users “zealots”. Oh, the hypocrisy.

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69494 JohnD Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:36:21 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69494 @John Not sure where you live, but here in the US you're free to refer to people how ever you wish, as long as it's legal. @John
Not sure where you live, but here in the US you’re free to refer to people how ever you wish, as long as it’s legal.

]]> By: John Grimes http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69489 John Grimes Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:57:13 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69489 SO, you can also use blogger$ to refer to open-sourcy guys pimping themselves with google ad$ in their blogg$! SO, you can also use blogger$ to refer to open-sourcy guys pimping themselves with google ad$ in their blogg$!

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69482 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:05:15 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69482 As Jason <a href="http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/02/whos-that-knocking-at-my-door/" title="Who’s that knocking at my door?" rel="nofollow">puts it</a>, "Many mono apologists like to portray critics as fanatics, aggressively opposed to anything Microsoft-related." Likewise, Microsoft uses the same tactics to 'eliminate' blogs that are critical of Microsoft. Language can be used against the messengers so that they won't be cited in the press. Think along the lines of: "Don't listen to them. They are hateful... like the Taliban." Rob Enderle compared Linux users to "9/11" terrorists. As Jason puts it, “Many mono apologists like to portray critics as fanatics, aggressively opposed to anything Microsoft-related.”

Likewise, Microsoft uses the same tactics to ‘eliminate’ blogs that are critical of Microsoft. Language can be used against the messengers so that they won’t be cited in the press.

Think along the lines of: “Don’t listen to them. They are hateful… like the Taliban.”

Rob Enderle compared Linux users to “9/11″ terrorists.

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69480 JohnD Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:01:39 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69480 I type M$ instead of MS - to me Microsoft is all about the money, not about a quality product or having products succeed on their own merits. In this context the $ has no meaning other than money. I type M$ instead of MS – to me Microsoft is all about the money, not about a quality product or having products succeed on their own merits.
In this context the $ has no meaning other than money.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69452 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:42:40 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69452 Yes, I kept the quotes in tact. Yes, I kept the quotes in tact.

]]> By: aeshna23 http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69450 aeshna23 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:52:50 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69450 <blockquote>Personally I think it’s a nice move on Mono’s part to try to address the community’s concerns. </blockquote> No, it's not nice at all. It's still an effort to Microsoftize the Linux community. I don't stop using Microsoft for the Mono second rate version of Microsoft.

Personally I think it’s a nice move on Mono’s part to try to address the community’s concerns.

No, it’s not nice at all. It’s still an effort to Microsoftize the Linux community. I don’t stop using Microsoft for the Mono second rate version of Microsoft.

]]> By: John Grimes http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69448 John Grimes Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:06:15 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69448 out of curiosity, when you write M$ with a dollar '$', do you imply that other CORPORATIONS do it for the love of Jesus Christe? and using blogger$ with 'do no evil' corporations ad$ would it mean also that you could write bloger$ like that!? out of curiosity,

when you write M$ with a dollar ‘$’, do you imply that other CORPORATIONS do it for the love of Jesus Christe?

and

using blogger$ with ‘do no evil’ corporations ad$ would it mean also that you could write bloger$ like that!?

]]> By: Hans Heinz http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69447 Hans Heinz Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:52:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69447 what? this is ridiculous! I know that you did not mentioned google. But google keep pimping linux, and NOBODY tells a word about it. Not to mentioning the F(l)OOS peoples google ad'ing their 'ideal$' for "free"! come on, grow up! what?

this is ridiculous!

I know that you did not mentioned google.
But google keep pimping linux, and NOBODY tells a word about it.

Not to mentioning the F(l)OOS peoples google ad’ing their ‘ideal$’ for “free”!

come on, grow up!

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/07/12/moonlight-extend-phase/comment-page-1/#comment-69445 JohnD Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:34:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=14611#comment-69445 I think the goal of splitting Mono is to help assuage fears in the FOSS community. The Mono project is taking the time to create a version that would be completely covered by the CP (yes this is assuming M$ will abide by their promise). Thus by using the ECMA version developers should have nothing to fear from M$. Many of the concerns I've seen revolve around the items like ADO etc - so if they take them out of a version - no issue. Personally I think it's a nice move on Mono's part to try to address the community's concerns. I think the goal of splitting Mono is to help assuage fears in the FOSS community. The Mono project is taking the time to create a version that would be completely covered by the CP (yes this is assuming M$ will abide by their promise). Thus by using the ECMA version developers should have nothing to fear from M$. Many of the concerns I’ve seen revolve around the items like ADO etc – so if they take them out of a version – no issue.
Personally I think it’s a nice move on Mono’s part to try to address the community’s concerns.

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