Comments on: Time to Drop the Word “Zealot” from Software Debates? http://techrights.org/2009/07/30/zealots-labels-latest/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/07/30/zealots-labels-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71634 JohnD Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:50:47 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=15813#comment-71634 I think it was mentioned in the marathon thread the other day. I think it was mentioned in the marathon thread the other day.

]]> By: zatoichi http://techrights.org/2009/07/30/zealots-labels-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71632 zatoichi Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:09:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=15813#comment-71632 Godwin's Law specifically applied to comparing your opponents to Nazis. I've seen that on the IRC channel, not on the site so far. I wouldn't be surprised to find it, though. Godwin’s Law specifically applied to comparing your opponents to Nazis. I’ve seen that on the IRC channel, not on the site so far. I wouldn’t be surprised to find it, though.

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/07/30/zealots-labels-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71629 JohnD Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:43:41 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=15813#comment-71629 Exactly - 10 points and a gold star for Roy B. Exactly – 10 points and a gold star for Roy B.

]]> By: Roy Bixler http://techrights.org/2009/07/30/zealots-labels-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71628 Roy Bixler Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:39:12 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=15813#comment-71628 Agreed. In older times and other forums, that was known as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law" rel="nofollow">invoking Godwin</a>. Agreed. In older times and other forums, that was known as invoking Godwin.

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/07/30/zealots-labels-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71626 JohnD Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:01:44 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=15813#comment-71626 There are guilty parties on both sides of the "discussion", personal attacks are hardly limited to Mono supporters. I have tried to refrain from such remarks as they seldom provide positive/logical support for a point of view. Several weeks ago I made a post about the title of one of Roy's posts. I felt that it could be easily misinterpreted by a casual reader. Roy agreed that it was possible, but stated that the wording was "technically" correct so he refused to alter the wording. This was a simple reminder about how the sword can cut both ways. Personally don't find the word zealot offensive. I happily wear the title of zealot, disciple, geek etc for the products I like: OS/2, Netware, Lotus.... It goes back to the whole sticks and stones thing. Now equating supporters/detractors to terrorists - that was the truly offensive statement. There are guilty parties on both sides of the “discussion”, personal attacks are hardly limited to Mono supporters.
I have tried to refrain from such remarks as they seldom provide positive/logical support for a point of view.
Several weeks ago I made a post about the title of one of Roy’s posts. I felt that it could be easily misinterpreted by a casual reader. Roy agreed that it was possible, but stated that the wording was “technically” correct so he refused to alter the wording.
This was a simple reminder about how the sword can cut both ways.
Personally don’t find the word zealot offensive. I happily wear the title of zealot, disciple, geek etc for the products I like: OS/2, Netware, Lotus….
It goes back to the whole sticks and stones thing.
Now equating supporters/detractors to terrorists – that was the truly offensive statement.

]]> By: Needs Sunlight http://techrights.org/2009/07/30/zealots-labels-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71625 Needs Sunlight Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:32:23 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=15813#comment-71625 Mono proponents have always responded with attacks since the beginning to change the topic. Name-calling is the best they have. The Mono technology sucks and the best non-attack counter ever offered is along the lines of 'ooh, it will be so full of mono goodness Real Soon Now". The licensing sucks and, aside from a little doubletalk from time to time, the best non-attack counter ever offered is, well, silence. Oh how time flies. http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-08-1998/jw-08-volanomark.html The original J2EE just keeps getting better: http://java.sun.com/javaee/ Mono proponents have always responded with attacks since the beginning to change the topic. Name-calling is the best they have.

The Mono technology sucks and the best non-attack counter ever offered is along the lines of ‘ooh, it will be so full of mono goodness Real Soon Now”. The licensing sucks and, aside from a little doubletalk from time to time, the best non-attack counter ever offered is, well, silence.

Oh how time flies.
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-08-1998/jw-08-volanomark.html

The original J2EE just keeps getting better:
http://java.sun.com/javaee/

]]> By: JohnD http://techrights.org/2009/07/30/zealots-labels-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71624 JohnD Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:12:21 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=15813#comment-71624 2. zealot - a fervent and even militant proponent of something Don't see anything in this definition that restricts the use to religious or political conversations. So I'd say the use is "technically" correct and should continue. 2. zealot – a fervent and even militant proponent of something

Don’t see anything in this definition that restricts the use to religious or political conversations. So I’d say the use is “technically” correct and should continue.

]]> By: zatoichi http://techrights.org/2009/07/30/zealots-labels-latest/comment-page-1/#comment-71601 zatoichi Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:04:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=15813#comment-71601 As soon as you folks drop the word "shill", Roy, and stop insisting that Stallman is a figure above any criticism, that anyone who touches a Mac or a WIndows machine is "not a real Linux person", and, in general, using your little "purity tests" to determine who's on which side of this "war" you imagine you're fighting. But you first, Roy. As soon as you folks drop the word “shill”, Roy, and stop insisting that Stallman is a figure above any criticism, that anyone who touches a Mac or a WIndows machine is “not a real Linux person”, and, in general, using your little “purity tests” to determine who’s on which side of this “war” you imagine you’re fighting.

But you first, Roy.

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