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	<title>Comments on: Mozilla Unofficially Joins ECIS and Opera in Opposition to Microsoft&#8217;s Deal in Europe; Microsoft Poisoned Firefox</title>
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	<description>Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom</description>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/10/17/mozilla-sorta-joins-ecis-and-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-74408</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mozilla didn&#039;t have much luck with antitrust authorities in Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mozilla didn&#8217;t have much luck with antitrust authorities in Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose_X</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/10/17/mozilla-sorta-joins-ecis-and-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-74407</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google is helping Internet Explorer out through that plugin. Microsoft is in such a good position because they get free quality help.

However, Google is giving them such headaches that they&#039;d shoot themselves in the foot by rejecting the plugin. As long as IE has a lot of market share, Google&#039;s fortunes depend on people being able to use their services through IE. Microsoft can play the game of attrition (delay while hurting themselves as well) and then pick up Google&#039;s pieces. Google is in a much more vulnerable position.

Fortunately, Google is working on their FOSS OS. They probably want netbooks and such to be really successful since that is a bit of a blank slate where consumers have a different set of expectations and Windows can&#039;t really run the big desktop apps well.

Antitrust authorities should not allow Microsoft to leverage their OS monopoly, for example, when they used that monopoly to plant the Firefox &quot;plugin&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is helping Internet Explorer out through that plugin. Microsoft is in such a good position because they get free quality help.</p>
<p>However, Google is giving them such headaches that they&#8217;d shoot themselves in the foot by rejecting the plugin. As long as IE has a lot of market share, Google&#8217;s fortunes depend on people being able to use their services through IE. Microsoft can play the game of attrition (delay while hurting themselves as well) and then pick up Google&#8217;s pieces. Google is in a much more vulnerable position.</p>
<p>Fortunately, Google is working on their FOSS OS. They probably want netbooks and such to be really successful since that is a bit of a blank slate where consumers have a different set of expectations and Windows can&#8217;t really run the big desktop apps well.</p>
<p>Antitrust authorities should not allow Microsoft to leverage their OS monopoly, for example, when they used that monopoly to plant the Firefox &#8220;plugin&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/10/17/mozilla-sorta-joins-ecis-and-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-74406</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an article talking about the Google Frame in IE performance:

http://news.techworld.com/networking/3202572/internet-explorer-8-runs-ten-times-faster-with-google-chrome-plug-in/

Turns out it was a 9.6x performance boost, to be precise, and the benchmark was the SunSpider JavaScript suite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an article talking about the Google Frame in IE performance:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.techworld.com/networking/3202572/internet-explorer-8-runs-ten-times-faster-with-google-chrome-plug-in/" rel="nofollow">http://news.techworld.com/networking/3202572/internet-explorer-8-runs-ten-times-faster-with-google-chrome-plug-in/</a></p>
<p>Turns out it was a 9.6x performance boost, to be precise, and the benchmark was the SunSpider JavaScript suite.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose_X</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/10/17/mozilla-sorta-joins-ecis-and-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-74405</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a losing battle trying to beat Microsoft on Windows.

Microsoft can sabotage every single application they want and without saying anything.

Guess what? Firefox will simply fail to work well on some popular website or something. And if/when someone finds something fishy (which is tough to do if the problem is instability or performance degradation), then Microsoft can just say it was a bug.

It&#039;s much easier for Microsoft to create bugs than it is for others to find them without having access to Microsoft&#039;s source. And some bugs can be ingenious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a losing battle trying to beat Microsoft on Windows.</p>
<p>Microsoft can sabotage every single application they want and without saying anything.</p>
<p>Guess what? Firefox will simply fail to work well on some popular website or something. And if/when someone finds something fishy (which is tough to do if the problem is instability or performance degradation), then Microsoft can just say it was a bug.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s much easier for Microsoft to create bugs than it is for others to find them without having access to Microsoft&#8217;s source. And some bugs can be ingenious.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuhong Bao</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/10/17/mozilla-sorta-joins-ecis-and-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-74368</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuhong Bao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And MS did ended up agreeing to block this plug-in as you can see in the bugzilla report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And MS did ended up agreeing to block this plug-in as you can see in the bugzilla report.</p>
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		<title>By: finalzone</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/10/17/mozilla-sorta-joins-ecis-and-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-74365</link>
		<dc:creator>finalzone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also saw that on Microsoft Windows XP on my laptop (primarly used for Flash edition requested by some clients) and desktop after I have installed NBA 2k10 (too bad it depends on .NET). It is not the first time Microsoft does that action because it had sabotage rival products before. 

It will hardly surprising other browser such as Chrome and Opera will encounter the same problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also saw that on Microsoft Windows XP on my laptop (primarly used for Flash edition requested by some clients) and desktop after I have installed NBA 2k10 (too bad it depends on .NET). It is not the first time Microsoft does that action because it had sabotage rival products before. </p>
<p>It will hardly surprising other browser such as Chrome and Opera will encounter the same problem.</p>
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		<title>By: williami</title>
		<link>http://techrights.org/2009/10/17/mozilla-sorta-joins-ecis-and-opera/comment-page-1/#comment-74360</link>
		<dc:creator>williami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckly, Firefox caught wind of this malpractice:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522777

Only if someone gives me air tickets to Redmond to start a protest about this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckly, Firefox caught wind of this malpractice:</p>
<p><a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522777" rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522777</a></p>
<p>Only if someone gives me air tickets to Redmond to start a protest about this&#8230;</p>
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