Comments on: O’Reilly and Microsoft Abandon Web Standards, ‘Open’ Web Foundation (OWF) Wants Them Redefined http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-76297 Roy Schestowitz Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:16:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-76297 The vision of a World Wide Web full of Ogg files (royalty-free) is a grand one. Google recently acquired a 'codec company', so it remains to be seen what Google does to unshackle Web videos, of which it dominates about 70% (depending on how it's measured). Chrome OS relies on Web video, not local storage. The vision of a World Wide Web full of Ogg files (royalty-free) is a grand one. Google recently acquired a ‘codec company’, so it remains to be seen what Google does to unshackle Web videos, of which it dominates about 70% (depending on how it’s measured). Chrome OS relies on Web video, not local storage.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-76295 Yuhong Bao Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:43:21 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-76295 "And I also added a link to this BN article from the original blog post on the Radar. " And Tim O'Reilly responded to it too and I responded back: http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/10/safari-books-online-60-a-cloud.html#comment-2197553 http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/10/safari-books-online-60-a-cloud.html#comment-2206010 “And I also added a link to this BN article from the original blog post on the Radar. ”
And Tim O’Reilly responded to it too and I responded back:
http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/10/safari-books-online-60-a-cloud.html#comment-2197553
http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/10/safari-books-online-60-a-cloud.html#comment-2206010

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-76294 Yuhong Bao Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:40:09 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-76294 Yes, I commented about it in the original blog article on this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/26/microsoft-and-oreilly-deal/ In fact, look at the New Releases page I pointed to now. Yes, I commented about it in the original blog article on this:
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/26/microsoft-and-oreilly-deal/
In fact, look at the New Releases page I pointed to now.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75925 Yuhong Bao Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:04:26 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75925 Here is a blog article confirming it: http://safaribooksonline.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/html-is-coming-soon/ And I also added a link to this BN article from the original blog post on the Radar. Here is a blog article confirming it:
http://safaribooksonline.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/html-is-coming-soon/
And I also added a link to this BN article from the original blog post on the Radar.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75843 Yuhong Bao Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:06:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75843 Of course. Of course.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75842 Roy Schestowitz Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:55:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75842 <blockquote> I notice that nowadays he don’t promote MS as much anymore </blockquote> Cause they don't pay him a wage anymore to be their TE (AstroTurfer/"whore").

I notice that nowadays he don’t promote MS as much anymore

Cause they don’t pay him a wage anymore to be their TE (AstroTurfer/”whore”).

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75841 Yuhong Bao Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:24:55 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75841 Yea, I read this, and I notice that nowadays he don't promote MS as much anymore, of course. Here is a new article on Chrome OS by Scoble: http://scobleizer.com/2009/11/20/why-google-chrome-os-has-already-won/ Yea, I read this, and I notice that nowadays he don’t promote MS as much anymore, of course. Here is a new article on Chrome OS by Scoble:
http://scobleizer.com/2009/11/20/why-google-chrome-os-has-already-won/

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75839 Roy Schestowitz Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:01:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75839 He's <a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2006/03/03/scoble-given-up/" rel="nofollow">overhyped</a>. He’s overhyped.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75838 Yuhong Bao Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:37:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75838 Yep, Scoble now prefers the 2010 Web to "Web 2.0": http://scobleizer.com/2009/05/29/kara-is-wrong-about-2010web/ Yep, Scoble now prefers the 2010 Web to “Web 2.0″:
http://scobleizer.com/2009/05/29/kara-is-wrong-about-2010web/

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75835 Roy Schestowitz Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:21:55 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75835 It's just "2.0" meaning "newer". The meme has spread. It’s just “2.0″ meaning “newer”. The meme has spread.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75833 Yuhong Bao Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:10:47 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75833 It isn't just AJAX, but I mention it because it is the important part. I was saying whether "Web 2.0" in general is nonsense is a different topic. It isn’t just AJAX, but I mention it because it is the important part. I was saying whether “Web 2.0″ in general is nonsense is a different topic.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75817 Roy Schestowitz Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:10:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75817 Good. So progress is made through pressure. Good. So progress is made through pressure.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75816 Roy Schestowitz Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:10:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75816 "Web 2.0" is actually not just AJAX, they argue. “Web 2.0″ is actually not just AJAX, they argue.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75800 Yuhong Bao Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:04:14 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75800 You should read the comments to http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/10/safari-books-online-60-a-cloud.html (the article that was cited on the mailing list), you will see that it got to the point that Tim O'Reilly said that "Wow - pretty unanimous flash hatred here.", and later John Chodacki (Director, Product Management of Safari Books Online according to the signature) promised to bring back the HTML view. It is clear that the dependence on non-free software were far from the only problem users were complaining about the Flash view. You should read the comments to http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/10/safari-books-online-60-a-cloud.html (the article that was cited on the mailing list), you will see that it got to the point that Tim O’Reilly said that “Wow – pretty unanimous flash hatred here.”, and later John Chodacki (Director, Product Management of Safari Books Online according to the signature) promised to bring back the HTML view. It is clear that the dependence on non-free software were far from the only problem users were complaining about the Flash view.

]]> By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75799 Yuhong Bao Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:47:14 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75799 "This is not about Microsoft, but it shows that O’Reilly lost its way." "From a UNIX/Linux-oriented (and thus standards-friendly) origin it found its way into “Web 2.0″ and other such abstract nonsense." Well, whether “Web 2.0″ was nonsense was a different matter. But, yes, they were promoting AJAX, I think. "As expected gnash does not work." Personally, on the Linux side, I use Adobe's non-free Flash plug-in for viewing Flash in Linux browsers, as it is used by many websites anyway. The Silverlight plug-in is installed on the Windows side of the dual-boot, but not used as often, and thus Moonlight is not installed at all on the Linux side. “This is not about Microsoft, but it shows that O’Reilly lost its way.”
“From a UNIX/Linux-oriented (and thus standards-friendly) origin it found its way into “Web 2.0″ and other such abstract nonsense.”
Well, whether “Web 2.0″ was nonsense was a different matter.
But, yes, they were promoting AJAX, I think.
“As expected gnash does not work.”
Personally, on the Linux side, I use Adobe’s non-free Flash plug-in for viewing Flash in Linux browsers, as it is used by many websites anyway. The Silverlight plug-in is installed on the Windows side of the dual-boot, but not used as often, and thus Moonlight is not installed at all on the Linux side.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75775 Roy Schestowitz Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:55:22 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75775 <blockquote> If you believe o’reilly was ever ‘Linux friendly’ then you’re a dolt (like many others). </blockquote> Yes, but see <a href="http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/4342445051" rel="nofollow">this</a>. What bothers some people is that O’Reilly makes this "shotgun wedding" with Microsoft and FOSS every OSCON.

If you believe o’reilly was ever ‘Linux friendly’ then you’re a dolt (like many others).

Yes, but see this.

What bothers some people is that O’Reilly makes this “shotgun wedding” with Microsoft and FOSS every OSCON.

]]> By: NotZed http://techrights.org/2009/11/20/oreilly-and-microsoft-standards-owf/comment-page-1/#comment-75774 NotZed Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:36:57 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=22169#comment-75774 "This is not about Microsoft, but it shows that O’Reilly lost its way. From a UNIX/Linux-oriented (and thus standards-friendly) origin it found its way into “Web 2.0″ and other such abstract nonsense." If you believe o'reilly was ever 'Linux friendly' then you're a dolt (like many others). They were only ever about making money from publishing documentation that should've (and often did) come with the software to start with. In my eyes they have always been on par with macafee and other leeches. They are no friend of free software - their main guy even helped invent a new `meme' to intentionally subvert it! “This is not about Microsoft, but it shows that O’Reilly lost its way. From a UNIX/Linux-oriented (and thus standards-friendly) origin it found its way into “Web 2.0″ and other such abstract nonsense.”

If you believe o’reilly was ever ‘Linux friendly’ then you’re a dolt (like many others). They were only ever about making money from publishing documentation that should’ve (and often did) come with the software to start with. In my eyes they have always been on par with macafee and other leeches. They are no friend of free software – their main guy even helped invent a new `meme’ to intentionally subvert it!

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