Comments on: Taking Mono Off the Menu http://techrights.org/2009/12/20/recommendation-of-shotwell/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Will http://techrights.org/2009/12/20/recommendation-of-shotwell/comment-page-1/#comment-76921 Will Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:08:49 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=24079#comment-76921 I've been using the recent 0.4 release of Avant Window Navigator dock from a PPA and in my opinion it is an excellent replacement for Gnome Do's Docky. So, on my Karmic install: Remove Tomboy --> install Gnote Don't install Gnome Do --> install Avant Window Navigator Remove F-spot --> install Shotwell/Solang Don't install Banshee --> install Amarok (ok, not Gnome, but it works great) or Songbird, or Rhythmbox. And then I just ripped out Mono altogether. Haven't missed it. Gnome Do was the last thing keeping Mono on my system, and I'm glad to have a great replacement for it now! I’ve been using the recent 0.4 release of Avant Window Navigator dock from a PPA and in my opinion it is an excellent replacement for Gnome Do’s Docky.

So, on my Karmic install:

Remove Tomboy –> install Gnote
Don’t install Gnome Do –> install Avant Window Navigator
Remove F-spot –> install Shotwell/Solang
Don’t install Banshee –> install Amarok (ok, not Gnome, but it works great) or Songbird, or Rhythmbox.

And then I just ripped out Mono altogether. Haven’t missed it. Gnome Do was the last thing keeping Mono on my system, and I’m glad to have a great replacement for it now!

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/12/20/recommendation-of-shotwell/comment-page-1/#comment-76910 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:13:30 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=24079#comment-76910 I believe it's Fedora that stepped in to maintain Gnote. I believe it’s Fedora that stepped in to maintain Gnote.

]]> By: dyfet http://techrights.org/2009/12/20/recommendation-of-shotwell/comment-page-1/#comment-76907 dyfet Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:08:24 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=24079#comment-76907 That is also very true, and really this is the one place where there should already have been strong alarm bells ringing some time ago, hence this should have already made the whole discussion mute. I have no idea why that did not as yet happen. I recall in the case of Fedora this was a mixture of strong concern about freedom from some key people within their community and strong concern from RedHat's legal team. That is also very true, and really this is the one place where there should already have been strong alarm bells ringing some time ago, hence this should have already made the whole discussion mute. I have no idea why that did not as yet happen. I recall in the case of Fedora this was a mixture of strong concern about freedom from some key people within their community and strong concern from RedHat’s legal team.

]]> By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/12/20/recommendation-of-shotwell/comment-page-1/#comment-76905 Roy Schestowitz Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:59:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=24079#comment-76905 The legal team is employed by Canonical, so hopefully they pay attention to the FSF, Allison, Groklaw, etc. The legal team is employed by Canonical, so hopefully they pay attention to the FSF, Allison, Groklaw, etc.

]]> By: dyfet http://techrights.org/2009/12/20/recommendation-of-shotwell/comment-page-1/#comment-76902 dyfet Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:41:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=24079#comment-76902 One thing that is often misunderstood is that these are not Canonical issues necessarily but can be community issues. Canonical is a company that genuinely lives in a community, so often the best place to address these issues and focus efforts may not be with canonical management, but rather with the Ubuntu community base and community councils. In the absence of strong community pressure I think Canonical tends to more conservative choices, and especially those that involve the least changes over Debian. Another strong driver of Canonical is the Debian community. The Ubuntu community (and Canonical by extension) really has no desire to "fork" Debian packages, and prefers to carry as few changes over Debian as possible. If there was a strong movement in Debian to pro-actively ditch Mono, then there would by necessity be one in Ubuntu as well. There is a final place where pressure can come, and that of course is from the user base. That mono both kills battery life and delivers rather poor user experiences on atom and especially on arm processors is just now being noticed by both critical OEM's constituencies and their users, even those that otherwise care little about freedom. I think long-term, and I mean over a couple of Ubuntu release cycles, this reality will work it's way up to desktop, for there will also be little interest in having une and arm using different (divergent) packages and the reality that Mono is dead on arrival for the latter is only just starting to be perceived. For this reason, my prediction is that Mono will disappear in Ubuntu "N", at least in the absence of other (community or Debian driven) pressures to hasten it's demise. One thing that is often misunderstood is that these are not Canonical issues necessarily but can be community issues. Canonical is a company that genuinely lives in a community, so often the best place to address these issues and focus efforts may not be with canonical management, but rather with the Ubuntu community base and community councils. In the absence of strong community pressure I think Canonical tends to more conservative choices, and especially those that involve the least changes over Debian.

Another strong driver of Canonical is the Debian community. The Ubuntu community (and Canonical by extension) really has no desire to “fork” Debian packages, and prefers to carry as few changes over Debian as possible. If there was a strong movement in Debian to pro-actively ditch Mono, then there would by necessity be one in Ubuntu as well.

There is a final place where pressure can come, and that of course is from the user base. That mono both kills battery life and delivers rather poor user experiences on atom and especially on arm processors is just now being noticed by both critical OEM’s constituencies and their users, even those that otherwise care little about freedom. I think long-term, and I mean over a couple of Ubuntu release cycles, this reality will work it’s way up to desktop, for there will also be little interest in having une and arm using different (divergent) packages and the reality that Mono is dead on arrival for the latter is only just starting to be perceived. For this reason, my prediction is that Mono will disappear in Ubuntu “N”, at least in the absence of other (community or Debian driven) pressures to hasten it’s demise.

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