●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, November 01, 2022 ●● ● Nov 01 [00:42] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:42] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:43] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@s9xek7hahrdji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:43] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:55] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:55] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:56] schestowitz-TR2 turns out 3 days ago the gemini lockfile got stuck there and I didn't notice till now [00:56] schestowitz-TR2 trying to refresh it all from rss, not sure it goes back far enough [00:56] schestowitz-TR2 i really need to manually check this every day, just to be on the safe side [00:56] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [00:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-rq7.0m6.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 01 [01:00] *rianne (~rianne@8c8xccu4g26qw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:00] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@8c8xccu4g26qw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[08:00] techrights-sec1 One work-around would be to have the Gemini script turn off the IPFS [08:00] techrights-sec1 stuff for the duration of the task and then turn it back on at the end. [08:00] techrights-sec1 Additional, but insufficient alone, would be to ionice and nice the IPFS [08:00] techrights-sec1 tools upon startup. [08:01] schestowitz-TR2 sorry, scrollback was lost [08:01] schestowitz-TR2 I made a habit of backing it up to text editor [08:17] techrights-sec1 There needs to be a way to turn off IPFS on demand by the Gemini script. [08:17] techrights-sec1 I looked but there seems to be no systemd unit files for it. [08:17] techrights-sec1 Also the ipfs binary is from 5 Aug, I think there have been updates since [08:17] techrights-sec1 then. [08:19] *liberty_box (~liberty@8c8xccu4g26qw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:20] *rianne (~rianne@8c8xccu4g26qw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:20] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-rq7.0m6.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:38] *starstreak has quit (connection closed) [08:38] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 ipfs has not behaved correctly lately [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 running multiple processes [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 looking into it atm, [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 ok, I _think_ gemini is up to date now [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 maybe it missed some older pages outside the range of the rss feed [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 The problem was that ipfs had slip out of control again [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 I'll monitor to see if that happens again [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 Im am adding to myn morning routine checking top to see if ipfs works correctly [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 and also checking gemini pages are created properly [08:47] schestowitz-TR2 ipfs was being a resource hog because it was spawning additional processes [08:48] techrights-sec1 I re-ran the script which fetches the pages manually so that the the [08:48] techrights-sec1 28th onward were converted from HTML to Gemini. It was the indexing [08:48] techrights-sec1 which choked due to IPFS hogging the disk continually. [08:48] techrights-sec1 Did you restart IPFS with ionice? [08:52] schestowitz-TR2 i've just stopped it it and rerun it with ionice [08:52] schestowitz-TR2 also added to the script [08:52] techrights-sec1 Is IPFS running the latest version? [08:52] techrights-sec1 The gemini scripts won't work unless either IPFS has a lower i/o priority [08:52] techrights-sec1 or is temporarily off. Maybe there will be a better situation with [08:52] techrights-sec1 a newer version. [08:52] techrights-sec1 Can you please add a means for the scripts to turn on and off ipfs? [08:52] techrights-sec1 Thanks! ionice will help [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 remember ipfs was NOT working correctly lately [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 caused a few issues [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 that's aside from the server, which works OK [08:54] schestowitz-TR2 it looks like round robin now lets ipfs in and then puts it aside if it chokes io [08:55] schestowitz-TR2 sorry, it does seem like a suisance sometimes [08:55] schestowitz-TR2 *nouisance [08:56] schestowitz-TR2 but www is not the future [08:56] schestowitz-TR2 I think it makes sense to experiment with other transport protocols [08:56] schestowitz-TR2 some people nowadays come to irc through gemini ● Nov 01 [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 one important contrib of TR (and TM, in tandem) is that it helps people assess the news [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 in Linux/FS and in general [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 and that has a knockon effect as many who read TR also run their own sites [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 a bit of a domini effetc [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 the 'nuisance' protocols are investment ahead of transition, methinkg [09:00] schestowitz-TR2 *methinks [09:06] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:13] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [09:38] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:53] schestowitz-TR2 the "yield" in phoronix has not been good lately; then again, news seems slow, but also less anti-linux [09:53] schestowitz-TR2 venom in it, so all in all an OK thing; I'll post daily links now, seeing merged-links are not ready yet ● Nov 01 [10:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:19] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fsx95fd5tbn6s.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:22] schestowitz-TR2 thanks for the links, great stuff. btw, mqtt has said connection refused since last night [10:46] techrights-sec1 checking the mqtt stuff ● Nov 01 [11:13] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:20] techrights-sec1 I'll make some new mqtt client certificates with a longer expiration date, [11:20] techrights-sec1 I thought I had done that last month. [11:20] schestowitz-TR2 education https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/10/31/teacher-exodus-proves-we-are-willfully-destroying-us-public-education | Source: Common Dreams [11:20] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Teacher Exodus Proves We Are Willfully Destroying US Public Education | Steven Singer [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 i am 40, so anything prior to 2000 in higher edu is not something I am familiar with [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 when I had an undergrad supervisor she was overworked with teaching and marking up examples [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 *exams [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 the latter does not require very advwance knowlkedge, it is quite mechanical, and poor use of skilled [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 staff who could otherwise do decent research [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 clerical work seems to have increased since while pay stagnated [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 this is why many skilled people go "to industry" [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 and academic attracts some overworked flunkies [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 this, in turn, lowers the quality of "eduction" [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 which in context of CS seems to be shifting from concepts and problem-solving into training courses [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 of sorts [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 to "prepare students for the world" (private sector) [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 i heard that schools teach "ICT" and it's basically not ICT [11:27] schestowitz-TR2 they train for GUIs [11:38] techrights-sec1 The "education" has become training and even that has been watered down. [11:38] techrights-sec1 Furthermore, the degrees in Europe have been whittled down to 3 years which [11:38] techrights-sec1 is not enough time to learn a major let alone get a well-rounded education. [11:38] techrights-sec1 There just are not simply enough credit hours per degree to get more than [11:38] techrights-sec1 a rudimentary exposure to the core material. The schedule is so tight that [11:38] techrights-sec1 no essential related material can get covered. This has now gone on for [11:38] techrights-sec1 two, soon three, academic generations. So you have the blind leading the blind. [11:38] techrights-sec1 In the US the situation is far more dire. In the EU, the basic K-12 has been [11:38] techrights-sec1 torpedoed too but the US lost 40% right off the bat during the Reagan [11:38] techrights-sec1 administration and then has been cut every year since. So there simply aren't [11:38] techrights-sec1 any left in the work force to outnumber the know-nothings. [11:38] techrights-sec1 Then there is the subversion of the universities on both sides of the pond [11:38] techrights-sec1 from education to half-assed training. [11:38] techrights-sec1 Too much ranting, though the situation is much more dire than expressed above. [11:38] techrights-sec1 They train GUIs but if academia were to have always been chasing its tail [11:38] techrights-sec1 like it does now, we'd still be on CP/M [11:38] techrights-sec1 Via the Bologne Treaty the universities were turned into captive markets for [11:38] techrights-sec1 failed businesses, nothing more, nothing less. [11:44] techrights-sec1 And those posing as lecturers or teachers for the most part lack not just [11:44] techrights-sec1 the knowledge and the theories, but even awareness of the knowledge and [11:44] techrights-sec1 theoretical foundation they are missing. [11:44] techrights-sec1 Logging in Mosquitto is lame. e.g. [11:44] techrights-sec1 1667095200: mosquitto version 2.0.15 terminating [11:55] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@th3cphfbsa9tc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:58] techrights-sec1 It seemed to have stopped a while ago, but it did not give a reason for stopping [11:58] schestowitz-TR2 I stopped it at my end or rather restarted it around the time you pasted the rrror ● Nov 01 [12:29] schestowitz-TR2 I'd do a video about this tech if I knew more about it and how it works [12:29] schestowitz-TR2 how do you envision the future of "content" "consumption"? [12:29] schestowitz-TR2 rianne and I discussed it this morning in re tm [12:29] schestowitz-TR2 as we see sites that grind to a halt or become webspam (too many! even pjoronix flirts with that) [12:47] techrights-sec1 I'm a little too pessimistic at the moment to forecast "content" "consumption" [12:47] techrights-sec1 but the trend of abusing the browser as a VM is not sustainable. They'd [12:47] techrights-sec1 be doing less work to come up with something pseudo-proprietary like [12:47] techrights-sec1 ChromeOS or SteamDeck but passed around as a VM image or container itself. [12:47] techrights-sec1 However, adding in the hardware like they do makes it age out faster. Both [12:47] techrights-sec1 by wearing out and breaking down but also through scheduled cessation of [12:47] techrights-sec1 continued support and inability to replace the OS with a general purpose [12:47] techrights-sec1 system. [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 i share this sentiment and this is discussed in irc atm [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 namely, all those things that will be "out of support" after onyl a few years [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 inc. cars [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 and durability of appliances [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 looking around me, I have a laptop from this year (cheap), one from 2016, one 2015, one from 2016 [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 "ted" died in 2020 after a series of issues ending with a bad drive [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 ted was 2009 baby [12:51] schestowitz-TR2 you shared a post about how sites should remove things to make themselves easier to run in the long run [12:52] schestowitz-TR2 but www itself might be a languishing protocol [12:52] schestowitz-TR2 in the tram we see some people messing about with "phone" [12:52] schestowitz-TR2 I assume they don't use them to get news [12:52] schestowitz-TR2 but pseudo-social noise [12:52] schestowitz-TR2 when the general public follows sport and gossip it keeps it out of the way of people in charge [12:52] schestowitz-TR2 "I don't follow politics, sorry..." [12:59] techrights-sec1 No, I get the impression that most people just fiddle addictively with the [12:59] techrights-sec1 "apps" on "their" smartphones with no expectation of being informed, involved, [12:59] techrights-sec1 or enlightened. It's a pure, empty addiction as far as I can tell. ● Nov 01 [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 ahead of us at one stage I gleaned over at a man in his 50s checking the score of the ongoing man united [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 football match [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 using the billBC Web site, which I boycott [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 I told rianne later that what he did there for 30 seconds I do by just moving my eye to a corner on the [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 screen where the score is presented in real time [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 whils doing actual work [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 the small device and lack of mouse, keyboard etc. means people merely get an illusion of achieving [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 stuff [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 even listening to the score on the radio, as we did in the 80s, is better [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 but it's "old tech" so we're not meant to think it's relevant anymore [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 even am radio with low-grade modulation can achieve so much more than these smut phones [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 with their battery life of only a few meager hours [13:02] schestowitz-TR2 my rca from the 90s lasted days [13:03] schestowitz-TR2 (on the radio the people are trained to tell you what's happening under the assumption you cannot see [13:03] schestowitz-TR2 it and need description of what's happening) [13:06] schestowitz-TR2 you could work in the garage or clean the house while listening [13:06] schestowitz-TR2 some podcasts on youtube I was using like this while doing home chores, but now with ads it would [13:06] schestowitz-TR2 be infeasible, albeit for now invidious does a good job weeding out the ads [13:31] techrights-sec1 That's an advantage for Gemini, you could run GemText through a reader and [13:31] techrights-sec1 listen to the document. Some of the programs for that are getting quite good. [13:32] schestowitz-TR2 beter than EC "webapps" for sure [13:32] schestowitz-TR2 where the content is not even linear [13:32] schestowitz-TR2 so it is not clear how to f*ing read the darn thing [13:49] techrights-sec1 I would guess that someone or group in a position of influence there at the EC [13:49] techrights-sec1 has done their best to 1) mindlessly chase trends and along the way [13:49] techrights-sec1 2) find new subtle ways to exclude and disenfranchise large portions of [13:49] techrights-sec1 the citizenry. [13:49] techrights-sec1 Notably they have prevented linking to anything within the site, that above [13:49] techrights-sec1 all tells a lot. [13:50] schestowitz-TR2 this is not a new problem but it has pissed me off for a long time [13:50] schestowitz-TR2 the EUIPO's site is the same [13:50] schestowitz-TR2 cannot even see a press release without bootstrapping some bloated program [13:50] schestowitz-TR2 and even then it is very slow and cumbersome [13:50] schestowitz-TR2 EPO's site is not that bad (yet) [13:51] techrights-sec1 "engagement" :( [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 maybe they should add 16x16 pixel PNGs/Gifs for each button [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 and then boast about 100 "hits" per visit [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 and also preload things as you scroll down [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 to drive up "impressions" [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 the psedudo "pageloads" [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 to give peoople a false understanding of their so-called 'audience' [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 twitter fakes it further by faking these numbers some more [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 esp. when it pretends to mr. "gays attacks pelosi" that twitter is still relevanmt [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 i was right about musk taking it down the drain [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 he started VERY poorly [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 slow-motion LeeNode [13:54] schestowitz-TR2 or VOAT when Reddit had a "new" site [13:55] techrights-sec1 Just about anything that take twitter down for the count can't be all bad. [13:55] techrights-sec1 Reddit was always fraud and lies. Now it is an epicenter of a corporaye [13:55] techrights-sec1 disinformationn movement. [13:56] schestowitz-TR2 Broasie Robertson insists it's a good place for his "research" [13:56] schestowitz-TR2 i.e. filtered corporate junk [13:56] schestowitz-TR2 they probably ban systemd and wayland critics like they are fanatics ● Nov 01 [14:27] *parsifal (~parsifal@8vte7vm6885eu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 01 [15:05] schestowitz-TR2 Deaths in England and Wales Up 22.74% in Latest Week (New Figures From ONS) Compared to Pre-Pandemic Levels https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/01/23-percent-increase-in-deaths/ [15:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Deaths in England and Wales Up 22.74% in Latest Week (New Figures From ONS) Compared to Pre-Pandemic Levels [15:05] schestowitz-TR2 problem solved then, back to work, lazy lads... [15:55] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [15:55] schestowitz-TR2 "If you are that stupid, stick to Windows with a pre-installed Microsoft Web browser, I guess. But how did you get on Mastodon anyway? That requires like, registering and passwords and stuff..." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-11-01.mayan.gmi [15:55] schestowitz-TR2 psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell-social [15:55] schestowitz-TR2 "The barrier to entry is literally installing one of the many Gemini browsers." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-11-01.mayan.gmi ● Nov 01 [16:06] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:13] *psydruid has quit (Quit: Gateway shutdown) [16:14] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:20] schestowitz-TR2 did lecturers always mark up exams? [16:20] schestowitz-TR2 the idea of doing a whoole pile of them is off-putting [16:20] schestowitz-TR2 esp. for salary levels like these [16:20] schestowitz-TR2 unlike supervising postdocs, who are sometimes used as unpaid or low paid labour for teaching tasks [16:20] schestowitz-TR2 makes one wonder where all the tuition fes actually go! [16:20] schestowitz-TR2 maybe library "subscription" for the cartels [16:20] schestowitz-TR2 operating volunteer scholars [16:21] schestowitz-TR2 high-skilled labour for privatised and centralised "intellectual property" [16:38] techrights-sec1 Not necessarily lecturers, usually teaching assistants. Those would be [16:38] techrights-sec1 masters students with job helping the lecturer or PhD students early on in theirresearch also with a job paid to [16:38] techrights-sec1 help the lecturer. [16:38] techrights-sec1 For large lectures, there were usually many. [16:38] schestowitz-TR2 it works differently here, at least in recent years [16:42] techrights-sec1 That's how it was 20 to 40 years [16:42] techrights-sec1 ago. No idea about more recently than that. [16:42] techrights-sec1 Or earlier than that. ● Nov 01 [17:11] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:18] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:18] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [17:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Nov 01 [18:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:14] schestowitz-TR2 2019 Compared to 2022 Week 42 (Based on New ONS Numbers): England and Wales Infant Mortality Rose 13%, in Kids Aged 1-14 It Rose 50% https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/01/2022-week-42-by-age/ [18:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive 2019 Compared to 2022 Week 42 (Based on New ONS Numbers): England and Wales Infant Mortality Rose 13%, in Kids Aged 1-14 It Rose 50% [18:27] techrights-sec1 ack [18:48] schestowitz-TR2 as I told rianne twice today, [18:48] schestowitz-TR2 I am very sad that in such a developed place with a past of spoils (of empire) so many more people [18:48] schestowitz-TR2 die needlessly [18:48] schestowitz-TR2 but I am happy we chose to deal with the pandemic (in our home) the way we did [18:48] schestowitz-TR2 almost everyone else I know got infected [18:48] schestowitz-TR2 the 2022 stats are likely not applicable to people who avoided it [18:51] schestowitz-TR2 I want yo opinion on the openssl flaw [18:51] schestowitz-TR2 lwn has some comments [18:51] schestowitz-TR2 and I posted it very fast to TM [18:51] schestowitz-TR2 it looks like it was not even CRITICAL! [18:51] schestowitz-TR2 and thought about doing a video [18:51] schestowitz-TR2 they've not even patched RHEL9 yet ● Nov 01 [19:03] techrights-sec1 I've not seen *any* information about the flaw. [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 going to record about it [19:03] schestowitz-TR2 ota ● Nov 01 [21:50] *starstreak has quit (connection closed) [21:51] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Nov 01 [23:05] schestowitz-TR2 6 Days Ago the CDC Published Mortality Data for 3 More Months and It Shows a Sharp Increase in Total US Deaths https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/01/2022-and-2017/ [23:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive 6 Days Ago the CDC Published Mortality Data for 3 More Months and It Shows a Sharp Increase in Total US Deaths [23:45] *libertybox__ is now known as schestowitz[TR4]