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[07:05] *rianne (~rianne@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:05] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-b0g.0m6.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 02 [08:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:00] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:01] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [08:05] *rianne (~rianne@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:05] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-b0g.0m6.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:06] *liberty_box (~liberty@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:36] Techrights-sec listened to the glynmoody recording, he's got a good voice for reading [08:36] Techrights-sec and good style too ● May 02 [09:29] schestowitz-TR turns out the guy who quit netflix had been wooed by intel and went there [09:36] Techrights-sec hmm [09:36] Techrights-sec intel is not a step upwards in nearly any context [09:36] Techrights-sec I guess the good part, even it is small, is that Intel is interested in Linux [09:50] Techrights-sec It doesn matter what he will be working on though. [09:53] schestowitz-TR this is the guy whose desk I told you I found shockingly bad [09:53] schestowitz-TR considering how many years he worked on kernel staff and the expected salary level [09:53] schestowitz-TR he can earn the setup in two days' work [09:53] schestowitz-TR and is facing another colleague from his cubicle [09:53] schestowitz-TR this is not new to me, I saw other workers subjected to similar conditions [09:53] schestowitz-TR inc. sublings [09:53] schestowitz-TR they' woulr ather work from home, cannot, thenr esort to "sour grapes" [09:53] schestowitz-TR if homes were build like office spaces, hard-working people would be sharing bedrooms with their neighbours [09:54] Techrights-sec yes [09:54] Techrights-sec many programmers are exploited [09:54] Techrights-sec Office spaces tend to be built for a combination of control and breaking of [09:54] Techrights-sec will. That anyone can get any work done ever is just not even a side thought [09:54] Techrights-sec for the managers who ignore study after study about productivity and [09:54] Techrights-sec work environments [09:55] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:55] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [09:55] *rianne (~rianne@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:55] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-b0g.0m6.7132oi.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [09:58] schestowitz-TR I adopted a method that years later I saw mentioned twice in thelayoffs.com/ibm (not working url) [09:58] schestowitz-TR I take my pay hikes when I deserve them by adjusting how much I work (net) [09:58] schestowitz-TR in an open [sic] office that would be harder to do, probably partly by design [09:58] schestowitz-TR nowadays, to me, part of work is, moe the eyeball and maybe the head (which makes it hard to measure [09:58] schestowitz-TR how much I actually work), hence the large setup [09:58] schestowitz-TR so 8 hours of work might be 30 mins of actual work [09:58] schestowitz-TR either way, the plan is to leave as soon as something better materialises [09:59] Techrights-sec Cubicle farms are mostly impossible to work in due to the inability to [09:59] Techrights-sec concentrate [09:59] Techrights-sec A small amount of mixing is good, but *only* when the participants choose to [09:59] Techrights-sec mix. Having cubicles causes interruptions which break the ability to [09:59] Techrights-sec carry out advanced thoughts and simplify designs. ● May 02 [10:02] schestowitz-TR that might explain why free software is relatively robust [10:02] schestowitz-TR and Microsoft's is shitwar [10:02] schestowitz-TR years ago someone who programs at Microsoft was telling me how much he hated it when colleagues [10:02] schestowitz-TR interfere and interrupt, so it's impossible to get any coding done [10:03] schestowitz-TR this isn't counteer--intuitive. Testing and debugging require zero disruption [10:03] schestowitz-TR in our company, Paul, who left due to SarinGas, was being disrupted by phonecalls [10:03] schestowitz-TR whilse trying to write scripts and so projects [10:03] schestowitz-TR the NOC team was able to take that off his head/hands [10:16] Techrights-sec planning requires focus and a lack of interruption too [10:16] Techrights-sec "a week of coding can save an hour of planning" [10:17] schestowitz-TR i always try to automate what I can [10:17] schestowitz-TR to the point where, while recording the video you can see the bulletin/irc report coming up on top of my browser [10:17] schestowitz-TR gotta go join rianne with exercise now [10:17] schestowitz-TR the living room is the gym since 2020 [10:18] Techrights-sec well-designed work flows can become routine and repetitive, and thus are [10:18] Techrights-sec usually candidates for automation [10:58] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● May 02 [11:05] Techrights-sec ack [11:05] schestowitz-TR do you use any git change notifier? [11:05] schestowitz-TR sometimes I forgot to get camerCase BEFORE posting Daily links [11:09] schestowitz-TR TIL even fewer colleagues than I had imagined actually use GNU/Linux [11:09] schestowitz-TR One of them uses "virtualbox" [11:09] schestowitz-TR and another idiot was cheering for some WSL thing [11:09] schestowitz-TR It feels bad knowing that the plan is to leave [11:09] schestowitz-TR just a question of when [11:09] Techrights-sec no I have to remember to check each time [11:09] Techrights-sec I do have it set to notify about trailing whitespace and reject a commit [11:09] Techrights-sec if they are present [11:09] Techrights-sec :9 [11:09] Techrights-sec :( [11:10] Techrights-sec That means that you should be looking somewhat actively now so that you have [11:10] Techrights-sec more flexibility about when to pull up stakes [11:13] Techrights-sec If you put away *a lot* in retirement funds, you can in princple cash out early [11:13] Techrights-sec but that takes time and money first [11:15] schestowitz-TR I have long thought of pension with employer contribution as a sort of vendor lockin [11:15] schestowitz-TR for the staff [11:15] schestowitz-TR I already have my pension scattered in two companies [11:15] schestowitz-TR withdrawing would not be simple, and there are 'penalties' [11:15] schestowitz-TR right now I think of a way tgo check git tail as part of the process by which I check daily links for new files eve [11:15] schestowitz-TR ry 5 mins [11:32] schestowitz ~/Git$ ssh git@git-tr list [11:32] schestowitz tr-git [11:33] schestowitz-TR trying to think how to show latest chnage/time [11:37] Techrights-sec ack [11:37] Techrights-sec git log -1 --format=%cd [11:37] Techrights-sec best to just 'git pull' before anthing [11:37] Techrights-sec ^anything [11:38] schestowitz-TR benefits would be: [11:38] schestowitz-TR 1) not missing the latest [tags] for new daily links domain [11:38] schestowitz-TR 2) seeing within less than 5 mins any new changes upstream [11:38] schestowitz-TR I already git pull to avert conflicts, if possible [11:38] schestowitz-TR but I have on one screen a "new thing available" terminal [11:43] schestowitz-TR for some reason I cannot run standard git commands over ssh [11:43] schestowitz-TR ssh git@git-tr brings me to a prompt [11:43] schestowitz-TR thaat prompt is... different [11:44] schestowitz-TR do I need to load tr-git or something? [11:45] Techrights-sec there is also the method of merging or whatever it is called, that con be [11:45] Techrights-sec set in the Git client's configuration file [11:45] Techrights-sec git log -1 --format="%at" | xargs -I{} date -d @{} +"%F %H:%M:%S %z" [11:45] Techrights-sec that one probably goes into Git interactive mode [11:45] Techrights-sec checking [11:45] Techrights-sec yep that's what it does [11:45] Techrights-sec no it is Git in interactive mode it accepts Git commands it is not a normal [11:45] Techrights-sec shell [11:46] schestowitz-TR Ioccasionalyl feel remorse that you pushed in new tags but I posted Daily Links already, before factoring in the [11:46] schestowitz-TR latest changes [11:46] schestowitz-TR and I want to avoid this situation in the future [11:46] schestowitz-TR the cronning would nag me to pull and run my camelcase sync script [11:46] Techrights-sec that is a configuration setting in the client, I run into that too [11:48] schestowitz-TR I wonder how many years git has left in it before it's the next [11:48] schestowitz-TR svn and next svn etc. [11:48] schestowitz-TR the attacks from github (they have their OWN commamdn, gh, and I don't trust gitlab either) [11:48] schestowitz-TR will weaken git as an open "protocol" [11:48] schestowitz-TR *I meanty next cvs and next svn [11:49] Techrights-sec https://git-scm.com/docs/merge-config [11:49] Techrights-sec M$ media has been trying to make GitHub synonymous with Git especially [11:49] Techrights-sec since the former is proprietary *AND* controlled by M$ and the latter is [11:49] Techrights-sec FOSS and available to anyone [11:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-git-scm.com | Git - merge-config Documentation [11:49] Techrights-sec cvs -> svn -> git -> ??? [11:49] Techrights-sec git has a lot of good things but the work flow is awkward [11:51] schestowitz-TR git was always overhyped in my view (maybe "Linux" too) [11:51] schestowitz-TR the way it handles conflcts leave much to be desired [11:51] schestowitz-TR to the point where I see many rather complex howtos on resolutions [11:51] schestowitz-TR and I think there must be a better way [11:51] schestowitz-TR the very controversation we have right now highlights one "wishlist" item [11:51] schestowitz-TR like being able to know, without repeatedly running git pull, that [11:51] schestowitz-TR 1) there is a change in the tail and 2) someone currently works on the [11:51] schestowitz-TR same file [11:52] Techrights-sec https://code-maven.com/enforce-fast-forward-as-merge-strategy [11:52] Techrights-sec that's the whole purpose of Git and there is the merge strategy to address [11:52] Techrights-sec that. There is also a merge style which can be used when conflicts have [11:52] Techrights-sec to be resolve through manual editing. [11:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-code-maven.com | Enforce fast forward as merge strategy in Git [11:55] schestowitz-TR it still feels like not enough has been 'abstracted away' [11:55] schestowitz-TR inherently because of pull/push paradigm [11:55] schestowitz-TR not locking files [11:55] schestowitz-TR like, (I'm sure this is possible), I am going to start editing this file [11:55] schestowitz-TR inform server [11:55] schestowitz-TR other users notificed of potential conflict [11:55] schestowitz-TR for file systems and file servers there are weak mechanisms too [11:55] schestowitz-TR but companies still lose a lot of productivity over lost work due [11:55] schestowitz-TR to conflicting edits etc. [11:55] schestowitz-TR to use the analogy, collab editing by sending MS Office attachments [11:55] schestowitz-TR good wiki software tends to lock pages with timeout for editor [11:59] Techrights-sec that's a very, very different paradigm. Git allows parallel editing [11:59] Techrights-sec and then integrates the changes as they are pushed to the servr [11:59] Techrights-sec maybe a pre-commit hook is available or if not could be written in shell ● May 02 [12:06] schestowitz "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" [12:06] schestowitz-TR this always shows up before the prompt,which acts a bit like sql [12:15] Techrights-sec usage of git shell example, from TR: [12:15] Techrights-sec ssh git@tr-git "git-upload-pack '/home/git/tr-git/'" [12:35] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 02 [15:00] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:00] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [15:24] schestowitz-TR just met an ol friend (~20 years) for a long chat, he said absolutely do not leave the job [15:24] schestowitz-TR he considers it very good relative to what else si available [15:24] schestowitz-TR he knows the job, I've done it 11+ years [15:24] schestowitz-TR he left his job in 2006 and stayed for 10 years with remorse about leaving it [15:24] schestowitz-TR so in his view the green grass next door isn't so green [15:24] schestowitz-TR and since we both work and can move anywhere to do the same job [15:24] schestowitz-TR we should hold on to it [15:24] schestowitz-TR that was the main subject, another one was how people looked to disrupt techrights [15:24] schestowitz-TR he knew the site since its early days [15:24] schestowitz-TR he stopped using twitter [15:24] schestowitz-TR we saw a famous football today, he's also practising at the track [15:24] schestowitz-TR in the world championship in poland my friend won the 200m (for his age group) [15:24] schestowitz-TR that's the summary, we also watched some videos on free sofwtare/tech issues [15:24] schestowitz-TR I told him about the belarus situation as that resembled another thing he had heard of [15:24] schestowitz-TR I am working on part 10 now [15:26] Techrights-sec ack [15:26] Techrights-sec yes hold on but have an option to leave, I still consider it a very bad sign [15:26] Techrights-sec that they've been lying so often and so blatantly and that so few are [15:26] Techrights-sec ethical or talented with ICT [15:27] schestowitz-TR the joke here (at home) goes, [15:27] schestowitz-TR firthey they tried to cut off with pensions [15:27] schestowitz-TR that backfired and it's OK now [15:27] schestowitz-TR but now they try to make cost-saving moved with clown computing [15:27] schestowitz-TR a [15:27] schestowitz-TR short-sighted and over the long run very expensive mistake [15:27] schestowitz-TR we are not shareholders [15:27] schestowitz-TR and afaik, losing a job against one's will means compensation too [15:31] Techrights-sec ok the compensation part is important be sue that they can't press you into [15:31] Techrights-sec an nondisparagement contract; often it seems that employers try to extort [15:31] Techrights-sec newly fired people into signing [15:40] schestowitz-TR just before leaving (I met at the track, it's at the stadium just across the road) [15:40] schestowitz-TR I was tying to find an approch for seeing git status every 5 mins [15:40] schestowitz-TR there is no simple solution for dropping the ssh link after checking [15:40] schestowitz-TR I tried 3 approaches [15:40] schestowitz-TR one left a trail of stake connections, which I had predicated [15:40] schestowitz-TR I looked around git-upload-pack [15:40] schestowitz-TR lots of online docs [15:40] schestowitz-TR some not working as documented [15:40] schestowitz-TR then I left is aside [15:40] schestowitz-TR let me see if I can push the current version to git, I think there's a file similar to it [15:40] schestowitz-TR already on there [15:41] schestowitz-TR pushed new file [15:41] schestowitz-TR I thought I had already added it, so checked there's nothing sensitive in there [15:50] schestowitz-TR I kicked myself for about 10 mins trying to recall ananalogy [15:50] schestowitz-TR my friend said something about portland city centre and businesses avoiding it [15:50] schestowitz-TR after I told him that my sister had moved there and regrets it [15:50] schestowitz-TR so I said it's like Luka and HTP in Minsk -- the very thing I was editing when he phoned me to meet [15:50] schestowitz-TR a lot of places in the world right now repel talent for various reasons [15:50] schestowitz-TR I'm not sure where the workers go [15:50] schestowitz-TR maybe some go to canada [15:50] Techrights-sec ok [15:50] Techrights-sec well it gives away that git shell is used but that's probably not important [15:50] Techrights-sec information [15:52] schestowitz-TR re git, I tried chaining ssh sessions and cause them to terminate on their own [15:52] schestowitz-TR I also tried piping and filtering the output, but for that to happen it needs to come back to the seminal env [15:52] schestowitz-TR regarding command line option, the syntax there is sooooo precarious [15:52] schestowitz-TR even just adding one whitespace anywhere would cause it not to work [15:52] schestowitz-TR so any CLI options for git-upload-pack would break it completely [15:57] Techrights-sec that account is for scripting not interactive work [15:57] Techrights-sec :) [15:57] Techrights-sec git runs over SSH [15:58] schestowitz-TR OK, I will change my approach completely and use git instead of ssh [15:58] schestowitz-TR I will comment out the existing approach [15:58] schestowitz-TR I mean I will use the git interface [15:59] schestowitz-TR git log -1 --format="%at" | xargs -I{} date -d @{} +"%F %H:%M: %z" ● May 02 [16:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [16:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:21] schestowitz-TR draft in wordpress [16:21] schestowitz-TR I'm also testing a revision in the shell file [16:21] schestowitz-TR will likely work, will then push to git [16:21] schestowitz-TR TIL git interactive stuff, we at least explored new things [16:21] schestowitz-TR meeting my friend, rianne also is now convinced not to rush out [16:21] schestowitz-TR but to explore other options, which is always a bargaining card at [16:21] schestowitz-TR the very least [16:21] schestowitz-TR I can only do tuxmachines and techrights if both of us work from home with [16:21] schestowitz-TR ample free time -- something that IU lacked for a number of stagnant years [16:21] schestowitz-TR after I had completed the phd and needed to get a "real" job [16:21] schestowitz-TR your command works splendidly well [16:21] schestowitz-TR I pushed the change [16:21] schestowitz-TR and the time shown updates on my "grand monitoring" display [16:21] schestowitz-TR this way I can "sense" when there is a new update [16:21] schestowitz-TR without having to go to desktop 9 (development) run a 'pull' [16:21] schestowitz-TR this will be worth the investment within months (time-wise) [16:22] Techrights-sec ack [16:22] Techrights-sec thanks [16:25] schestowitz-TR I will try to set myself a goal of 10 posts per day again, and 2-3 videos [16:25] schestowitz-TR I realised today the new laptop I can very easily detach from things to record from anywhere indoor and outdoor, ev [16:26] schestowitz-TR en without an internet connection [16:26] schestowitz-TR using obs (that machine does not run any critical services yet, it just holds the important data) [16:52] Techrights-sec ack [16:54] schestowitz-TR I am going to learn (over the coming week) how I sped my time and how it can be improved [16:54] schestowitz-TR I recently decided to deal with email from unknown sources more infrequently [16:54] schestowitz-TR it leads to mental clutter even if it's obvious spam ● May 02 [17:17] Techrights-sec time management is a useful skill [17:17] Techrights-sec however it depends a lot on the work flow and the depends on the tasks [17:20] schestowitz-TR various factors impact my a) setup b) taska dn thus c) workflow [17:20] schestowitz-TR sometimes I shuffle things around for no reason other than technical woees [17:20] schestowitz-TR like hdmi refusing come on with one pc, while working Ok with another [17:20] schestowitz-TR I also shufflesd around for water and liquid safely [17:20] schestowitz-TR like spills on laptops [17:20] schestowitz-TR it's always a work in progress [17:20] schestowitz-TR in terms of topics covered, github series is temporarily on the ice (or ICE, GitHub fav) [17:20] schestowitz-TR Gemini is just there, working in the backgroudn [17:20] schestowitz-TR Set and forget so to speak [17:20] schestowitz-TR some jobs (work) are routine and "boring", but here there's a range of stuff [17:20] schestowitz-TR I want to tinker less and write more [17:20] schestowitz-TR I'm not so involved in IRC lately [17:27] Techrights-sec makes sense, the writing is the most valuable and most effective, [17:27] Techrights-sec everything else is just a means to enable that [17:28] schestowitz-TR twitter was quite effective around 2016-17, I think it may have peaked in some sense around that time [17:28] schestowitz-TR but it capitalised on a lot of disruption, which it actively contributed to [17:28] schestowitz-TR on many levels [17:28] schestowitz-TR OTA [17:40] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@s8babdvbqh3nw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● May 02 [18:29] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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