IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, January 03, 2022

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there was an outage, wait for IRC logs

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we need to redo the tmux layout, I think foir now we can

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do away with the tux machines protection script

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I want to clarify that I saw activity in ytalk, but aside from some load average something I did not catch a view of what exactly it was about

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then, when it was restarted ((ytalk) I said that I had lost sight of it

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then the session closed again

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hope nothing important was missed

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no just the uptime output, then pressed some keys in the wrong window

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I'll need to write something better than ytalk maybe this year

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OK, so nothing important missed. suffice to say, I'm, way behind schedule as was planned, but glad we lost no data, just downtime due to some idioc who pulled the plug

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the tmux layoout before looked neat and all but it outlived its usefulness

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because it had been opimised for conditions and setups we had

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about 6 months ago

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we need to refactor a bit

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newer versions of tmux allow easier automated setup of panes

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but automated setup is still possible even with outdated versions, just

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with a lot of difficulty

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however manual setup is probably best. I don't have too many preferences

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about what goes in which pane.

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thye script you look for is in /root

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monitor-techrights.sh iirc

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thye script you look for is in /root

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monitor-techrights.sh iirc

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yep

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I am racing against the clock, 2:30, to finish daily links

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only had 1.5 hours of sleep

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more sleep is preferable; cat naps help but at least two medium length blocks

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are necessary

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during a cycle

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from top:

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5592 boycottn 20 0 439892 75776 16772 R 92.1 0.2 8:15.12 php-fpm

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I think we can do lots of tidying up after this reboot, which means we need to rearrange some thing regardless

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I like to use rebotos to think afresh about things

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a major update is needed either of packages or the whole OS

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641 boycottn 20 0 429832 65400 16764 R 99.7 0.2 9:15.98 php-fpm

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as we did with gemini, I think we need to think of moving away from wordpress at some stage

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it's a good thing that we put the git stuff there

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yes wordpress is past its prime

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bloating is part of the software modern lifecycle

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I want to think a tad more laterally thyan just cms change

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like, where does the www go?

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is www the future?

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how to best present thing?

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social control media a dead end?

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video?

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leaked docs with annotations?

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Andy has excellent insights on www and loves the videos, wants to talk to me more

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in private about ideas

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he also installed gemini and had a go at it

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as a host of a capsule that is, I still think elementary schools can teach it

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helps teach unix, proigrammer, gemtext

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not some API of some framework of JS

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yes wordpress is past its prime

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to often but not necessary or unavoidable part; however if a suite gets to

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too complicated or bloated then refactoring is not an option;

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then it has to be thrown away an started afresh; see openssl and ntpd

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okI'm not sure about the WWW and don't have much of a feeling for the

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pulse. A lot of 'developers' and 'researches' seem to be chasing crumbs and

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leftovers from Google and Facebook and, to a lesser extent, Wikipedia.

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It is mainly the first two which are not so quietly jockeyig for a position

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where they can wrest sole control over all future development directions.

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Excellent, he has good thoughts and is articulate.

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The lack of client packaging is holding gemini back a lot but that might be

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good in that it raises the technical barriers for initial entry

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It would be great for schools and a web server used to be the "Hello, World"

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equivalent for networking. So the same would be for Gemini, though

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the TLS requirment would require a bit of explanation.

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There was a little noise about "web0" the last few days but I think it might

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still be ignoring the javascript plague and infestation that needs to be

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eliminated along with the corporatisms. However, I have not read in depth

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on "web0" as the one author called it.

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yes,, I saw the debate about it ages ago

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lke "web3" it's not the right thing

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cranks and stuff

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Unfortunately the complexity of the javascript frameworks are taking precedent

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over teaching properly structured information.

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tim bl took the JS route with MS Shithub

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and EME

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not sure how he got so detached from the world or if they had some solid

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life threatening exchanges to bring hin around

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lol "solid"

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pun?

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well, they could have sent him to therapists and asked for apology to Microsofters ;-)

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solid as in credible threats

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like what happened with durusau and sjvn and co

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or torvalds or rms etc

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wait, you know why solid is a pun... right?

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not yet

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ah he had some gimmick named "solid" which did the opposite of what he claimed

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it aimed to do

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yes! :)

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fwiw Git is now backed up; that needs to be automated also;

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been a while since I last backed up ergo irc as well

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I just backed up the data / archives; if I am able to set up a NAS this year,

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I may be able to cache locally on it too

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reminds me I need to back up my main laptop!

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always a very good idea, especially incremental backups with periodic full

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backups

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anyway, two things we can benefit from

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1) how to better shape the site for the changing times

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bear in mind I have more docs than I can publish and comment on

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wikileaks ended up mostly dumping loads

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2) operations, e.g. how to make tmux show better, automate backups

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xrevan said something about making irc have more than one point

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of failure

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(in logs, soon)

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having freenode was very helpful

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yes, there are now a few more IRC networks than just during the freenode era

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I park in 4 networks

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i theory we already shadow in LC and I can meet people there, but do not want to encourage this

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*in theory, it even logs from there

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so all those networks work in conjunction really, albeit all the activity happens in one

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lc is not so desirable

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are they mirrored, sort of?

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yes, fully. but not bridged

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to put it simply [network]/[channel] write/s to same file/s

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is it even desirable to bridge in those cases?

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noise/clutter down, signal up

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tmux does not need to show much, only few key things

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yes

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ok, now gnome3 shows me on two virtual desktops all the irc channels and a cumulative irc-monitor terminal, instead of s side screen I barely see

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[20:52] <schestowitz-TR> is he still with his brazilian wife?

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[20:53] <Source> yeah, we talked about that because it came up that Graveley lived in Brazil

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[20:54] <Source> Also mentioned a portuguese language film that I was disturbed by Alex's obsession with

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[20:55] <Source> Talk to Her - about a male nurse raping a woman in a coma, but it's a romance

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[20:55] <schestowitz-TR> gosh

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[20:55] <schestowitz-TR> seems like we have a whols series

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[20:55] <schestowitz-TR> not an article

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[20:56] <schestowitz-TR> Source: Jimmy Savile dd that

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[20:56] <schestowitz-TR> but to kids

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[20:56] <schestowitz-TR> in a hospital

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[20:57] <Source> It's relevant b/c Alex kept asking me to get blackout drunk to fulfill a kink

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[20:58] <schestowitz-TR> wow

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[20:59] <Source> Alex is a really bad dude. Nat seems to have been good at maintaining a wholesome persona publicly

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[21:00] <Source> I'm trying to make people aware, but because i never worked at Github, journalists think it's a non-issue

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[21:00] <schestowitz-TR> there are journalists still?

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[21:00] <Source> good question lol

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[21:01] <schestowitz-TR> many are cynical about what the occupation became

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[21:01] <schestowitz-TR> even the other day my dad told me

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[21:01] <Source> they seem to be working on all the workers rights

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[21:01] <schestowitz-TR> a friend of his, retired journalist, was enraged about journalism becoming just corporate PR 15 years ago

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[21:02] <Source> that's true. all the noise this week could just be giants firing shots at each other

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[21:04] <schestowitz-TR> which publishers did you try?

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[21:04] <schestowitz-TR> Remember Microsoft pays many for "advertising"

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[21:05] <Source> vox, bloomberg, buzzfeed

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[21:06] <schestowitz-TR> the first two are in Microsoft's pocket

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[21:06] <Source> part of the issue is graveley's disinformation campaign against me has taken root

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[21:06] <schestowitz-TR> not sure about the third

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[21:07] <Source> vox did some reporting on the Github Nazi incident

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[21:07] <schestowitz-TR> they usually believe the rich person

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[21:07] <schestowitz-TR> we examine the evidence

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[21:07] <schestowitz-TR> they also fer lawsuits (media)

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[21:07] <Source> I guess Nat threw the female HR head under the bus and made himself the hero

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[21:07] <schestowitz-TR> Source: but B-I broke the story

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[21:07] <schestowitz-TR> on the nazi firing incident

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[21:08] <Source> yeah, I think you're right. having a hard time keeping it straight

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[21:08] <schestowitz-TR> we work with some Microsoft whistleblowers

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[21:08] <Source> NYT, but after bad art friend, they don't look good

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[21:08] <schestowitz-TR> they trust us

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[21:08] <schestowitz-TR> because we don't self-censor

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[21:08] <schestowitz-TR> NYTimes is a mixed bag

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[21:08] <schestowitz-TR> they're harder to bribe

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[21:09] <schestowitz-TR> you can only keep them silent some of the time, not all the time

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[21:09] <schestowitz-TR> Gates bribed The Verge to fire a reporter who worked with us

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[21:09] <schestowitz-TR> on a story exposing Gates Foundation abuses like 8 years ago

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[21:09] <Source> jesus

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[21:09] <schestowitz-TR> he eventually went too far

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[21:10] <schestowitz-TR> now a lot more people know the RealBill

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[21:10] <schestowitz-TR> Real Deal

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[21:10] <schestowitz-TR> Bill also bribed by boss

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[21:10] <schestowitz-TR> it didn't work

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[21:10] <Source> well, sounds like I finally have some answers

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[21:10] <schestowitz-TR> it happened just after I had started my series about the arrest at his home

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[21:10] <schestowitz-TR> read up on what Weinstein

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[21:10] <schestowitz-TR> did to media

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[21:11] <schestowitz-TR> and how he suppressed the story for many years

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[21:11] <schestowitz-TR> similar tactics

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[21:11] <schestowitz-TR> woman-shaming

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[21:11] <Source> I used to work in disinfo research

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[21:11] <schestowitz-TR> spying on them

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[21:11] <schestowitz-TR> spiking stories etc.

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[21:11] <schestowitz-TR> they had to group in large numbers to break the media silence

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[21:11] <Source> I'm aware of a lot of the mechanics

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[21:11] <schestowitz-TR> there are agencies for this

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[21:11] <schestowitz-TR> 'consultant'

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[21:11] <schestowitz-TR> 'crisis management'

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[21:12] <Source> yeah... there's lots of women that don't want to talk about what Alex did to them

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[21:12] <schestowitz-TR> Weinstein hired spies

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[21:12] <Source> TallPoppy

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[21:12] <schestowitz-TR> now more people know about Gamma Group, NSO Group etc.

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[21:12] <Source> TallPoppy is trying to turn that into a service

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[21:13] <schestowitz-TR> do you have written correspondence with those publishers?

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[21:13] <schestowitz-TR> we should do a part or two about their role in covering up for the powerful interests

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[21:13] <Source> yes

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[21:13] <schestowitz-TR> good

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[21:13] <schestowitz-TR> Chelsea Manning tried WashPo (now Bezos) and NYTimes

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[21:14] <schestowitz-TR> they were not interested in war crimes

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[21:14] <schestowitz-TR> so Chelsea (Brad back then) went to Wikileaks

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[21:14] <Source> I don't think Dropbox has dirty hands. They just wanted his patents and fired him for abuse

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[21:14] <schestowitz-TR> and now people know this and remember this

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[21:14] <schestowitz-TR> Dropbox had or still has Condy Rice on the Board

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[21:14] <schestowitz-TR> it's not a lovey-dovey company

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[21:14] <schestowitz-TR> they also work for the NSA as informant

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[21:15] <schestowitz-TR> with direct data access to NSA

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[21:15] <schestowitz-TR> based on PRISM leaks (2013)

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[21:15] <Source> something something elasticsearch

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